5-weeks on a low carb diet

[frivolousz21]

if anyone here has been interested in doing one.


Ive done it in the past.

but I started eating 20 carbs or less a day last Thursday.

I was in ketosis within 30 hours by friday around noon.

ive been in moderate to heavy ketosis.

eating 4 to 5 times a day when I am hungry...I am supplementing an extra 32-64 ounces of water/crystal light type products....I only drink 16 oz of regular coffee each morning..with splenda and non-sugar french vanilla creamer.

I will mostly eat pork, beef, and cheese..some fish too.

Im taking
50 mg of 5-htp a day..sometimes 100.
1 multi-vitamen a day.
4 to 8 grams of fiber..pending on how much i get from food.(I have low carb bread, high in fiber..and low carb tortila shells..very high in fiber.

all my carbs are from veggies or flour type products.

I will do this for 4 to 6 weeks..20-30 grams of carbs per day...little or no alcohal.

last time I lost 22 lbs in 5 weeks.

I will also workout 2 to 3 times per week..with full body workouts...called HST program.


I plan on dropping my body fat by 5 percent with this..and losing 20 lbs on the scale in 1 month...

so if anyone wants to know if a low carb diet works....I will let you know.

 

[EFFORT]

Your setting yourself up for failure. First off the idea of losing 22lbs in 5weeks isn't good or realistic. And the fact that you want it to be so fast worries me,why not use a plan that will keep off body fat for the long term?

What is your protein intake going to be and what is your fat intake going to be? You need your fat intake high and your protein intake high. I also wouldn't be going all out on training , muscle gain isn't going to take place on an aggressive no carb diet like this. I also didn't see anything about cardio.

If you really have that much fat to lose, do a basic timed carb diet where you have carbs for breakfast after your morning cardio , and carbs after a weightlifting workout. The rest of the day is Protein/Fat meals, your fat intake needs to make up for your lack of carbs, look into natty peanut butter, olive oil, flax seed oil, fish oil.

Do low intensity cardio (walking on a treadmill) 1hour first thing in the morning after taking in green tea, then do another 1hour long low intensity cardio session at night. Do The cardio 5-6 days a week, thats as aggressive as you need to go.

As for weightlifting, keep it simple and abbreviated, since aggresive fat loss is your goal now (if its not you could take a slower approach and gain muscle and lose fat)

 

[frivolousz21]

chill

thousands of people do this everyday.

I dont care about being any bigger...Im just letting guys here know that just want to lose some fat..what im doing.

also when i did this the first time..I got stronger from full body workouts....and I still lost all that fat.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

FYI, it works but it's not a typical low carb diet. It's more widely known as the Mediterranean or South Beach diet. The thing is that you can take off a ton of weight the first couple of weeks after getting into ketosis but it then tapers off. Is 20 pounds in a month unrealistic? No, it can be done. Is it healthy? It depends. If your body starts cannibalizing muscle for energy it's definitely not a good thing so supplementing the diet with weight training is a good thing. The best thing about the diet is that it does control carb cravings and it also boosts your metabolism.

 

[Throttle]

chill

thousands of people do this everyday.

and gain it right back.....

I dont care about being any bigger...Im just letting guys here know that just want to lose some fat..what im doing.

that's cool, but if you take effort's advice... well, you've already ignored it, nevermind.

also when i did this the first time..I got stronger from full body workouts....and I still lost all that fat.

and you're doing it again because.....you gained most of it back?

 

[Skilla_Staz]

Busted.

If you need to do an extreme diet AGAIN, chances are it wasn't so hot in the first place. I'd much rather lose 2lbs of fat each month until I hit around 8% and stayed there for as long as I could, instead of losing all my fat by March, and then gaining it back, only to have to starve myself once more.

 

[mrRuckus]

Busted.

Ru-ude.

I'd much rather lose 2lbs of fat each month until I hit around 8% and stayed there for as long as I could, instead of losing all my fat by March, and then gaining it back, only to have to starve myself once more.

[/quote]

Did he say something about starving himself?

The reason why people gain the weight back afterwards is because they go back to their old habits after the weight loss. If he wants to do a keto diet then fine... he loses a bunch of fat but it won't magically come back if he goes back to a more carb-rich diet afterwards as long as he doesn't go back to the bad habits that gained him all that fat in the first place.

 

[Wanderer*]

My vet-physiology lecturer said that you have to stay in your new diet for 1 year and then it should stay off. If you go back to your old diet once you lose all the weight, youll put the weight back on again STRAIGHT AWAY. Im pissed off that i cant remember the reason as to why this is, but i understood it at the time and it made logical sense. so yeah, ruckus is right.

 

[frivolousz21]

Ru-ude.

Did he say something about starving himself?

The reason why people gain the weight back afterwards is because they go back to their old habits after the weight loss. If he wants to do a keto diet then fine... he loses a bunch of fat but it won't magically come back if he goes back to a more carb-rich diet afterwards as long as he doesn't go back to the bad habits that gained him all that fat in the first place.[/QUOTE]


thanks...

I remember a lot of the guys here have a big time body builder mentality.

and I also dont know why everyone assumes you just put the weight on..after I did it before..it took 5 yrs to put weight on.

and I did all of that in 6 months of drinking.


anyways..I just posted this..incase anyone is interested.

on a Low carb diet...its mythical that your muscle is lost.
but its not real...95 percent of the energy will come directly from fat(ketones)..and yes some protien will be used to keep the muscle you have...but of course I will be eating 125 to 150 grams of protien.

protien cannot be turned into glycogen as easily as a carb..I believe its like 58percent..and fat is 10 percent.


one of the noticable things is the amount of energy you get on a low carb diet..im in day 5 of ketosis..and I have more energy then ever..I sleep 6 hours a night..

reason being is the fact that the body is buring ketones..which are available at all time...eating 5 or 6 meals of fat and protien a day will trick the body that it has more fuel...so it will continue to burn body fat..exspecially from the abdomen and butt since they are the richest stores....in 5 days..my waist has dropped almost an inch.

tomorrow will be my first day back in the gym...and I will see how my strengh is..

 

[frivolousz21]

Busted.

If you need to do an extreme diet AGAIN, chances are it wasn't so hot in the first place. I'd much rather lose 2lbs of fat each month until I hit around 8% and stayed there for as long as I could, instead of losing all my fat by March, and then gaining it back, only to have to starve myself once more.

im not sure why you would call it an extreme diet.

for over 3 million yrs...homonoids survived on protien and fat.

the protien from fish and other animals with dense protien stores..helped the homo-sapien brain evolve.

ketones are just another energy source..

when you eat carbs....insulin will help store fat if there is an excess..

in a keto diet..you would have to eat much over maintenence...becuase a fat calorie has 9 grams..but a ketone is only 5 grams....so there is energy lost in the conversion.

if you eat 2200 calories....your really eating much less..

then the body has to burn more body fat for ketones.

as long as protien is kept high....and you workout you wont lose much muscle if any at all.

after 4 to 6 weeks...the rapid fat loss slows..also dependent on how much fat you have left....and at this time the body might start breaking down muscle protien for energy.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

My vet-physiology lecturer said that you have to stay in your new diet for 1 year and then it should stay off. If you go back to your old diet once you lose all the weight, youll put the weight back on again STRAIGHT AWAY. Im pissed off that i cant remember the reason as to why this is, but i understood it at the time and it made logical sense. so yeah, ruckus is right.

This is true. The thing about a diet is that it's not a jump on, lose weight, jump off type of thing. You need to treat it as a lifestyle much like being a DJ.

I changed my diet to something similar to this a couple of years ago. During the holidays I gain about 5 to 8 pounds I loose by February or March like clockwork. I never starve myself and I still eat complex carbs. This is similar to diets that many sports figures follow successfully. The thing is that you can't be a typical couch potato or weekend warrior and expect any type of diet to work long term. You have to consistently live a healthy, active lifestyle to expect permanent change.

 

[frivolousz21]

This is similar to diets that many sports figures follow successfully.

I remember reading....Chris Pronger and Al macInnis of the NHL started doing low carb variations in the late 90's.

like CKD or TKD.

 

[simon]

I've put on a good amount of muscle from a TCD. I love it. There's quite a lot of guys over at ironaddicts.com having success with TCD too.

Anyway, good luck.

 

[Throttle]

I remember a lot of the guys here have a big time body builder mentality.

please elaborate. what "mentality" of anyone on this board is inappropriate for the average male? effort & I (among others) are suggesting that there are more effective routes for you to achieve your goals than a fad diet coupled with unrealistic expectations. this doesn't require a "bodybuilder mentality" (I'm not even sure what this is, but I think it's a mixture of fear and envy speaking). it does require making permanent changes to your lifestyle, and opening yourself up to the suggestions of others.

 

[frivolousz21]

please elaborate. what "mentality" of anyone on this board is inappropriate for the average male? effort & I (among others) are suggesting that there are more effective routes for you to achieve your goals than a fad diet coupled with unrealistic expectations. this doesn't require a "bodybuilder mentality" (I'm not even sure what this is, but I think it's a mixture of fear and envy speaking). it does require making permanent changes to your lifestyle, and opening yourself up to the suggestions of others.

almost every bodybuilder..uses low carb to cut down before competition.

many pro atheletes use low carb to get there fat down.

I was going to BB.com, menshealth, and mensfitness.

I spent 2yrs from 18 to 20...doing everyting that was out there for that crowd..I got places..I gained...i lost fat.

first off...im not envious of anyone here...ive already been down the DJ path...and dropped the arrogent routine.


1. its clear you havent done a low card diet..or actually know anything about the science behind it.


in 2001...I went from 16 percent body fat to 11 percent in a month...I lost no muscle..maybe a slight bit...and I didnt gain anything back.

why?

becuase I went on a ketogenic diet...which is not a fad...there are many BB who do this 9 to 10 months of the yr at my gym..and they are huge.


most males will lose 20 to 30 lbs of weight..mostly fat in 4 to 6 weeks on a diet under 30 carbs.


its not effective to lose 2 to 3 lbs of fat a month..so i can so called maintain my muscle....

I suggest you do some research on why ketogenic diets cause the body to lose so much fat..so quickly..and no its not a fad..its science..and evolution

 

[Derek Flint]

I did LC a few years ago.

Dropped 70 lbs in 8.5 months and have kept almost all of it off.

If one goes back to bad eating habits, of course the weight will come back, as it will with any diet.

The key is once you reach your desired weight, eat smart and continue an exercise program.

No sugary soda's, cookies, cakes, refined high-glycemic carbs etc...

Or at least in very little amounts.

I maintain my current weight by consuming less than 100 grams of "good" carbs per day in the form of mostly fiberous veggies and fruit, and not the crap listed above.

Excercise is also a requirement for a LC diet.

Most of the anti-LC posts are from people who are repeating myths and misconceptions.

I did extensive research on LC before taking the leap, and I can assure you from both experience and research that most people who bash this diet really don't know what they are talking about.

 

[Derek Flint]

Oh yeah, forgot about the increased energy levels and needing less sleep as well as being able to think clearer and more quickly as fat is a superior source of energy than carbs.

The myth that you need carbs is BS

Eskimos who live on whale blubber is just one example.

 

[frivolousz21]

Oh yeah, forgot about the increased energy levels and needing less sleep as well as being able to think clearer and more quickly as fat is a superior source of energy than carbs.

The myth that you need carbs is BS

Eskimos who live on whale blubber is just one example.

So is Neanderthal, Homo Erectus, Nimrodus, Habbilis...

and homo sapien started out on strickly meats...but unlike the previous homonoids they could catch fish..which is a superior protien.


and its also not true that you cant grow any muscle on a low carb diet....its harder yes...but you can.

 

[Throttle]

1. its clear you havent done a low card diet..or actually know anything about the science behind it.

I have done a very low carb diet in the past, and it was moderately helpful in removing some bodyfat at the time. I'm not criticizing your attempt to cut back on carbs. I'm suggesting that you could do even better by incorporating resistance training and having a plan for when the diet is "over."

I suggest you do some research on why ketogenic diets cause the body to lose so much fat..so quickly..and no its not a fad..its science..and evolution

I suggest you read around on these forums, as I have been suggesting all along. I consistently advocate relatively low carbs and high protein as a lifestyle modification, not a temporary diet, but in a fashion that makes it sustainable for the long run. I'm not criticizing low carbs per se, but rather the idea that a "diet" will fix you up and you can go back to whatever you do the rest of the time.

 

[frivolousz21]

I have done a very low carb diet in the past, and it was moderately helpful in removing some bodyfat at the time. I'm not criticizing your attempt to cut back on carbs. I'm suggesting that you could do even better by incorporating resistance training and having a plan for when the diet is "over."



I suggest you read around on these forums, as I have been suggesting all along. I consistently advocate relatively low carbs and high protein as a lifestyle modification, not a temporary diet, but in a fashion that makes it sustainable for the long run. I'm not criticizing low carbs per se, but rather the idea that a "diet" will fix you up and you can go back to whatever you do the rest of the time.

I agree.

I understand where you are coming from....I bet more people use Keto and have success then stop and fail.


I have a plan for this..I call it the blowtorch.

I know that in 4 to 6 weeks I can dump about 20 lbs of fat...more likely 17 lbs of fat...3 lbs of muscle.

thats a huge drop in body fat.

then the next 6 to 8 weeks..I will do a hst cycle..and build 5 or 6 lbs of muscle..while probably losing a few more lbs of fat. if not..I will be much leaner and bigger.

then I can hit keto for another 4 weeks..lose about 10 to 15 lbs of fat..so within a few months..thats over 30 lbs of fat..and no muscle loss.

of course Im not looking to get big...maybe after I get my body fat under control..then yes..

I never had a issue with diet..alcohal made me fat.

so I gotta cut that down when Im back to eating carbs.I havent had much sugar in yrs...but Id get drunk and cook tacos

if someone wants to live a keto lifestyle like Derek Flint..an stick to it.

they could really lose weight..but im willing to bet a lot of keto people....do it and dont do it right..and get fatter...then write it off.