“Women will cry a river about wanting Mr. Dependable and then go off to fuc.k Mr. Exciting.” - Rollo Tomassi, “The Rational Male”

[AmsterdamAssassin]

If you're the good guy, the strong alpha, you might get lucky and squeeze 1-2 years of a relationship out of her.

If you're the Jerk, treats her bad, sometimes neglectful kind of guy, you will more than likely squeeze the prime years out of her, maybe 5-8 years.

There are all types of shades between the good guy and the bad guy. Simplify life to good/bad and you'll probably end up bitter and alone.

I just live my life, I don't promise women exclusivity, if they don't accept me for who I am they can leave, I get enough sex/affection/intimacy to not put a special priority on sex or women, I treat women like lovers, but not like wives.

 

[soulforge]

At the end of the day, everyone, both men and women will be who they really are.

If you're the good guy, you'll be able to spot a good woman and have a drama free, long lasting relationship with her. If you're the jerk you'll attract all sorts of hoes full of baggage that will make your life miserable ... that doesn't sound like a winning proposition to me.

And please point me to these good women?

Bro these good women are literally Unicorns.

 

[soulforge]

I kinda agree with your sentiment , but one thing a lotta men underestimate ( and MUST burn into their memories!!) is the fact that women LOVE to play the victim whenever they can. Their minds are hard wired to act and stay within this victimhood AND the most important aspect is that: her female friends, familiy members NEW ORBITING MEN will ALL pick her side...ONLY a (subconsciously ) redpill aware dude will see through this bs..


Yes. Again a rather kumbaya kinda repsonse, but I do believe that you can be both the super hero and the villain..

Most "heroes " we grew up with were narcs/jerks/ evil enough to slap/ torture/ kill a man without any hesitation. Even if and when they were the "good guys ".

You just don't wanna be this bluepilled beta bytch who refuses to acknowledge all these harsh truths..but i kinda geuss that we've spent WAY too much time studying game and women to ever go back to becoming fully bluepilled again!!



Makes you wonder how a NONE model tier looking dude like Rollo sustains a marriage for so long...is he a secretive millionaire, or simply a charlatan who gets cucked to keep his "wife happy"?

This is a valid point. Pretty much all women will refer to her ex as a Jerk/Azzhole after the break up, even though he might have been a good guy.

However I still firmly believe, the genuine azzhole guy gets way more mileage out of a girl, than the "red pill" good guy.

I am mostly referring to the younger chicks here, between age 20-30 these girls will waste there peak years/beauty on absolute Jerks.

The older chicks, begin to figure it out, after the age 30 and with two kids in tow. They will then start looking for the safer/good guy option.

However I simply don't believe you can put on the "act of a jerk/Narc"

You either are inherently a fukin cold azzhole, or you are not.

 

[zekko]

Being the jerk in order to get MORE women is not what I am talking about.

I am simply stating that the Jerk/Narc/Fuk Boy overall seems to get the most millage out of the girl.

I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, honestly. The Fvck Boy has different goals than the more normal guy, he's trying to bang a bunch of girls behind each others backs. The more normal guy probably would be satisfied if he just had a decent girlfriend who treated him well.

But these are stereotypes anyway. Most guys are a combination of the two, they fall somewhere in between Mr. Alpha and Mr. Nice Guy. It's like everything else, it's a spectrum. Even Mystery and Neil Strauss, who tried so hard to be Alphas, got hung up when they met a girl they really liked. The stereotypes are mostly useful as teaching tools, as opposed to real life examples.

 

[Solomon]

Now a days the more toxic a relationship is the more a woman seems to want to stick around
I'm a chill guy and don't do the toxic stuff but personally I've noticed when I am toxic the women can't get enough

 

[The Duke]

Low quality women do this. As a guy do your part, but stop taking so much ownership in the success or failure of the relationship. This is all Mr. nice guy mindset. Work on playing more offense not defense in your relationship. Never let them get too comfortable and you won't have these problems.

I've always kind of been a dihk naturally, women usually work pretty hard to make sure I don't leave.

 

[SW15]

the guy is not great in the bedroom either.

Being good in the bedroom is an asset and can help a man avoid the worst beta bucks perceptions. There are men who are likely perceived as more beta than alpha who are good at sex. These are the kinds of men who might struggle to attract women on an app due to not being Top 10-20% in looks and might not be the first choice in cold approaches. If they have a social circle and a good day-to-day routine, they'll be able to get girlfriends and retain them longer. However, if things deteriorate in those relationships, they might struggle to initially attract attention on the open market but being good at sex will enable them to have boundaries against the worst female behaviors and will prevent them from excessive beta male supplication and simping.

As a guy do your part, but stop taking so much ownership in the success or failure of the relationship. This is all Mr. nice guy mindset. Work on playing more offense not defense in your relationship. Never let them get too comfortable and you won't have these problems.

True. Most men are beta males operating from a scarcity mindset, which is a defensive position.

I've always kind of been a dihk naturally, women usually work pretty hard to make sure I don't leave.

That's good. It is going on the offense.

 

[Bokanovsky]

It was true in 2013 when "The Rational Male" was published and still true in 2023.

And it will be true in 3023 if humanity is still around.

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

I kinda agree with your sentiment , but one thing a lotta men underestimate ( and MUST burn into their memories!!) is the fact that women LOVE to play the victim whenever they can. Their minds are hard wired to act and stay within this victimhood AND the most important aspect is that: her female friends, familiy members NEW ORBITING MEN will ALL pick her side...ONLY a (subconsciously ) redpill aware dude will see through this bs..


Yes. Again a rather kumbaya kinda repsonse, but I do believe that you can be both the super hero and the villain..

Most "heroes " we grew up with were narcs/jerks/ evil enough to slap/ torture/ kill a man without any hesitation. Even if and when they were the "good guys ".

You just don't wanna be this bluepilled beta bytch who refuses to acknowledge all these harsh truths..but i kinda geuss that we've spent WAY too much time studying game and women to ever go back to becoming fully bluepilled again!!



Makes you wonder how a NONE model tier looking dude like Rollo sustains a marriage for so long...is he a secretive millionaire, or simply a charlatan who gets cucked to keep his "wife happy"?

Let the man live his life

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

The question is, in 2023 is it even worth it to be the good Alpha type of guy?

Considering most women are damaged to chit these days & a product of a single mother upbringing.

Why even bother to be the good guy?

I mean think about this.

Pretty much all women are temporary these days. It's only your turn with them.

If you're the good guy, the strong alpha, you might get lucky and squeeze 1-2 years of a relationship out of her.

If you're the Jerk, treats her bad, sometimes neglectful kind of guy, you will more than likely squeeze the prime years out of her, maybe 5-8 years.

Who is the winner or loser here?

The jerk wins every time.

I mean both dudes will lose her in the end, but the Jerk gets the most milage out of her.

I still come back to this response. This shi—t is so funny ahhahahahaha