‘Game’ is killing your chances with 8s,9s and 10s

[Bigpapa]

The average weight of an American woman as of 2023 is 170lbs... For reference most healthy fit men serving in the military tend to be in the 165-180 range... This is a problem and most guys are fat too

Fat men can not complain about fat women , so that is why no one has a problem with it

 

[Stanley]

Fat men can not complain about fat women , so that is why no one has a problem with it

You are free to complain about whoever you want. Fat is fat regardless of gender

 

[BeExcellent]

Do you know anyone irl that became a high end escort?

I do not. My fiancé does. He saw and experienced this firsthand during his stint in the music business in LA. He found the girls to be beautiful but nuts and the hotness you as a man eventually calibrate to. You can’t fix crazy or unintelligent or unstable (according to him).

 

[mikedee]

Most of us have never pulled an HB8+.

I did many many many times, 8s and 9s in my 20s and early 30s, I'm 36 and it has become very difficult to get laid, even with a 6s and 7s.
The 8s-9s-10s are in their early 20a most of the time, as a 36yo guy, it's going to get even more difficult. Dating has changed, girls are more selective and less interested in dating and sex. They got instagram, tiktok, tinder, validation apps, they dont need us anymore.

 

[mikedee]

Yes , that is true . Most are either too skinny , either chubby and dress like sh1t to mask that they look like this

Never too skinny

 

[Bigpapa]

I did many many many times, 8s and 9s in my 20s and early 30s, I'm 36 and it has become very difficult to get laid, even with a 6s and 7s.
The 8s-9s-10s are in their early 20a most of the time, as a 36yo guy, it's going to get even more difficult. Dating has changed, girls are more selective and less interested in dating and sex. They got instagram, tiktok, tinder, validation apps, they dont need us anymore.

I disagree with you , I am 33 and pulled a 23 years old cutie the other day

It has to do more with how you present yourself , rather than anything else … but it is true , the older you get the higher the expectations are

The competition with younger guys is quite easy , most of them are id1ots , but would chose a younger id1ot anytime over an older id1ot that is close to their fathers age

But you have a solid point , social media made them have an attitude like “ it is either like me , either not at all “ … which makes them to start be demanding from the get go

Was on tinder today , at some point a 31 year old woman that is a 6 ( have no idea how I matched with her in the first place ) - I think that tinder and bumble from time to time put these kind of unwanted matches - and the woman in max 4-5 replies started telling me that she wants 3 children and a long list of expectations from my end . I started making fun of her and ofc she removed the Match

Which makes me think that they do not look for romance anymore necessarily

 

[CollegeMan22]

I think that having a decent appearance and simply approaching sets you apart. I’ve only met one other guy at my college who cold approaches during the day. And even some really muscular guys don’t have the balls to approach at night parties. Everyone is scared and fearful. When you break through that fear and go shotgun mode with girls, you simply have to succeed given a long enough time frame. And sometimes you’ll find a really hot chick who clicks with you and thinks you’re her “type”.

Lesson: approach all girls who excite you.

 

[mikedee]

I disagree with you , I am 33 and pulled a 23 years old cutie the other day

It has to do more with how you present yourself , rather than anything else … but it is true , the older you get the higher the expectations are

The competition with younger guys is quite easy , most of them are id1ots , but would chose a younger id1ot anytime over an older id1ot that is close to their fathers age

But you have a solid point , social media made them have an attitude like “ it is either like me , either not at all “ … which makes them to start be demanding from the get go

Was on tinder today , at some point a 31 year old woman that is a 6 ( have no idea how I matched with her in the first place ) - I think that tinder and bumble from time to time put these kind of unwanted matches - and the woman in max 4-5 replies started telling me that she wants 3 children and a long list of expectations from my end . I started making fun of her and ofc she removed the Match

Which makes me think that they do not look for romance anymore necessarily

I didn't say it's impossible I said it's more difficult.
I date mostly 20-26yo.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

When it comes to the hottest girls, ‘game’ and being too direct will ruin all attraction.

Nonsense. Mode One 4 Life.

I have experimented for over 10 years.
The hotter women are approached all the time.

They aren't being approached at the library or grocery store.

Even if not directly, men are always subconsciously displaying sexual intent in their behaviour around them.

And most of those women are displaying themselves in ways that entices men enough to display their sexual intent.

They beautify themselves (makeup, tight pants, low cut tops, etc) before they go out, and act surprised when they get attention.

When you pray for rain you gotta deal with the mud, too.

these girls are more impressed by a man who can be engaging and interesting, but also make her chase and invest into him a bit. The longer, slower game works better. She needs to feel it is HER idea to date you, not yours.

mystery said it best - you can’t game 9s and 10s

Contradiction: You just said "longer, slower game works better".

Then you just said "you can't game 9s and 10s".

Slow, longer game is still game.

Not only that, but your premise is wrong, on the surface level.

If you are a fat ugly mofo in the woman's eyes, there is nothing you can say that will allow her to chase and invest in to you...no matter how slow/fast your "game" is.

Also many of these women are used to dating the top guys - athletes, famous guys etc so you want to replicate that dynamic. Her obsessing over you and you engaging with her back, but not making any sudden moves or proving yourself

Think about that for a second...

"Many of these women are used to dating the top guys - athletes, famous guys".

Sounds like the women you are describing are GOLD DIGGERS.

Those famous guys can have those women.

50 Cent once said a line..*to the woman*

"I've been watching you, watching me; now tell me what you like more; my watch, or me?"

 

[BadBoy89]

You need to be deserving of the woman you want. It’s always worked like this.

The idea that average men were captivating the hearts of beautiful women with ‘game’ 20 years ago is a fantasy. If that was the case then the whole labour force would have ceased and men would have stopped striving for money, fame and status a long time ago. Gyms would have gone bancrupt, designer brands like Gucci would have tanked, expensive cars would have been redundant

Its not a cause and effect, Money, fame, and status do not capture the hearts of beautiful young fertile women. They capture the hearts of older women who have kids and are divorced. And Sosuave isn’t for men looking for women I’m their mid 30s or 40s. Sosuave is for getting young hot fertile women in their 20s.

The whole point of Gucci and expensive cars is for men to look good and feel good about himself, it’s not to “get the girl”. If the man needs Money to get the girl, he is a complete beta sucker. He should get it becomes he likes nice things, he wants to live comfortably, not for any women.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I’ve only had sex with one 8.5 and she put me through the ringer as far as qualifying me. I think she was somehow desperate for a guy to be her bf because that was the majority of her questions.

 

[BadBoy89]

Beautiful women are constantly objectified. You treat them like a normal person? That is refreshing. I roll my eyes when dudes start peacocking. Jesus. Enough already.

So to stand out? Act normal please. Not like all these other dudes jumping up and down going "Pick Me!!!"

When you try to impress someone you are coming from a place of "less than" otherwise why would you need to impress them?

So if you want to get a 9-10 you need admission to her bubble by actually being a man who is just fine treating her like a normal person. Yes she's gorgeous, so what? She's s person first.

The thing is beautiful women are not born on trees. They are rare. That’s why men want them.

It’s like a good view in a Condo building. You want to view? Better pay up. You want to hot girl? Better be something special

 

[Thebestthereeveris]

When it comes to the hottest girls, ‘game’ and being too direct will ruin all attraction.
I have experimented for over 10 years.
The hotter women are approached all the time. Even if not directly, men are always subconsciously displaying sexual intent in their behaviour around them.
these girls are more impressed by a man who can be engaging and interesting, but also make her chase and invest into him a bit. The longer, slower game works better. She needs to feel it is HER idea to date you, not yours.

mystery said it best - you can’t game 9s and 10s

Also many of these women are used to dating the top guys - athletes, famous guys etc so you want to replicate that dynamic. Her obsessing over you and you engaging with her back, but not making any sudden moves or proving yourself

Hot women are the worlds best bull**** detector. What impresses her the most is the man who doesn’t try to impress her. Or try to TRY not to impress her. Just being himself and being excellent at a thing for HIMSELF.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Hot women are the worlds best bull**** detector. What impresses her the most is the man who doesn’t try to impress her. Or try to TRY not to impress her. Just being himself and being excellent at a thing for HIMSELF.

Create a vibe with her without saying the same stuff that every other guy does (‘what do you do’ ‘I’m 6ft2’ etc). That’s how you stand out.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

The thing is beautiful women are not born on trees. They are rare. That’s why men want them.

It’s like a good view in a Condo building. You want to view? Better pay up. You want to hot girl? Better be something special

Beautiful girls are not rare, especially in affluent areas.
Attractive men are.