Does anyone have success with instadates on 2 sets or groups?

[oliver109]

I find 2 sets a bit trickier obviously than 1 sets, for me it is a bit trickier to get intimate with a girl when she is with her friend and sober which generally is the case during the day. What's your opinion?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I mostly tell two women about how I could tie one of them up while the other watches, so they can feel safe. That often results in delightful afternoons.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

What's your opinion?

My opinion is that once you stop using terms like 1 set and 2 sets or k-close you won't care.

 

[BPH]

I find 2 sets a bit trickier obviously than 1 sets, for me it is a bit trickier to get intimate with a girl when she is with her friend and sober which generally is the case during the day. What's your opinion?

Why are you approaching sober women, during the day, who are with their friends, trying to get intimate off a cold approach?

 

[SW15]

I find 2 sets a bit trickier obviously than 1 sets, for me it is a bit trickier to get intimate with a girl when she is with her friend and sober which generally is the case during the day. What's your opinion?

Why are you approaching sober women, during the day, who are with their friends, trying to get intimate off a cold approach?

Plenty of men will do this in daygame.

When I do daygame, I prefer to approach women who are already isolated from their friends. It's possible to find women isolated from friends in non-bar settings and these women are easier to approach.

Almost every woman goes to a bar/nightlife venue with another female, so isolation isn't already built into that.

Getting an instantaneous date is a less common outcome in non-bar approaching. It won't happen if the approached woman is already with another female acquaintance/friend in a daygame setting.

In non-bar approaching, the goal is to have a short conversation (5-10 minutes), find some commonality, and arrange for a longer get together at some point in the future and exchange contact info.

 

[BPH]

Plenty of men will do this in daygame.

When I do daygame, I prefer to approach women who are already isolated from their friends. It's possible to find women isolated from friends in non-bar settings and these women are easier to approach.

Almost every woman goes to a bar/nightlife venue with another female, so isolation isn't already built into that.

Getting an instantaneous date is a less common outcome in non-bar approaching. It won't happen if the approached woman is already with another female acquaintance/friend in a daygame setting.

In non-bar approaching, the goal is to have a short conversation (5-10 minutes), find some commonality, and arrange for a longer get together at some point in the future and exchange contact info.

Yeah nothing he said wasn't too unusual up until the "a bit trickier to get intimate" part...that doesn't really happen in a sober setting, around friends, with a total stranger...

He should absolutely be doing what I've put in bold, especially if he's new at this, which he definitely is.

 

[oliver109]

Plenty of men will do this in daygame.

When I do daygame, I prefer to approach women who are already isolated from their friends. It's possible to find women isolated from friends in non-bar settings and these women are easier to approach.

Almost every woman goes to a bar/nightlife venue with another female, so isolation isn't already built into that.

Getting an instantaneous date is a less common outcome in non-bar approaching. It won't happen if the approached woman is already with another female acquaintance/friend in a daygame setting.

In non-bar approaching, the goal is to have a short conversation (5-10 minutes), find some commonality, and arrange for a longer get together at some point in the future and exchange contact info.

Thanks for your input, it usually is the case that that the best looking girls are with friends, usually they are approachable unless they are in a group which is quite clearly harder, the trouble with girls who are not on their own is that the other girl might feel a bit left out and pressure the other girl

Yeah nothing he said wasn't too unusual up until the "a bit trickier to get intimate" part...that doesn't really happen in a sober setting, around friends, with a total stranger...

He should absolutely be doing what I've put in bold, especially if he's new at this, which he definitely is.

I mean trying to isolate a girl from her friend during the day, is that hard?

 

[SW15]

nothing he said wasn't too unusual up until the "a bit trickier to get intimate" part...that doesn't really happen in a sober setting, around friends, with a total stranger...

He should absolutely be doing what I've put in bold, especially if he's new at this, which he definitely is.

Same day sex is not a typical outcome of non-bar approaching. It should never be part of the goal of doing non-bar approaching.

Same night sex from a bar approach is something that is possible. It would make sense to attempt to get same night sex from a bar approach.

I try to approach already isolated women in non-bar settings. It is possible to do an approach with a woman with her female friend in daygame, though it is more challenging to do. It's difficult to get a woman to have a 5 minute daygame conversation if she's already with her friend in a daygame setting.

it usually is the case that that the best looking girls are with friends, usually they are approachable unless they are in a group which is quite clearly harder, the trouble with girls who are not on their own is that the other girl might feel a bit left out and pressure the other girl

I mean trying to isolate a girl from her friend during the day, is that hard?

Where are you trying to do daygame? Are you doing it outdoors on a street/walking path? Are you doing it in malls? Malls and street/park/path approaching increases the chance that a woman is with at least one other female friend. Even in malls and outdoors, there are plenty of women alone.

The grocery store is a great daygame venue because few women grocery shop with their friends. Gyms/fitness classes are places where women aren't often with their friends and you can get in an approach.

As I've said, I try to look to find women already isolated before I make my approach when I do daygame approaching.

 

[BPH]

I mean trying to isolate a girl from her friend during the day, is that hard?

If you're a stranger, and they're sober, and it's in the middle of the day? I mean yeah dude....

You ever see somebody meet and start making out with some random they met in a grocery store, or a library, or walking in a park? That doesn't happen unless somebody's being paid or they're already dating.

If you're looking for intimacy, go to bars or clubs at night. If you're daygaming you should just be getting a phone number and setting up a date for later when you CAN be intimate without her friends.

 

[oliver109]

Same day sex is not a typical outcome of non-bar approaching. It should never be part of the goal of doing non-bar approaching.

Same night sex from a bar approach is something that is possible. It would make sense to attempt to get same night sex from a bar approach.

I try to approach already isolated women in non-bar settings. It is possible to do an approach with a woman with her female friend in daygame, though it is more challenging to do. It's difficult to get a woman to have a 5 minute daygame conversation if she's already with her friend in a daygame setting.



Where are you trying to do daygame? Are you doing it outdoors on a street/walking path? Are you doing it in malls? Malls and street/park/path approaching increases the chance that a woman is with at least one other female friend. Even in malls and outdoors, there are plenty of women alone.

The grocery store is a great daygame venue because few women grocery shop with their friends. Gyms/fitness classes are places where women aren't often with their friends and you can get in an approach.

As I've said, I try to look to find women already isolated before I make my approach when I do daygame approaching.

Where? everywhere haha, on the street, on the train, on the tops of mountains, the beach, shops, malls, basically anywhere i would say.

 

[SW15]

Where? everywhere haha, on the street, on the train, on the tops of mountains, the beach, shops, malls, basically anywhere i would say.

It's good that you are doing a lot of approaches in a lot of different venues. You might want to narrow your focus to a few good venues that work for you.

For me, grocery stores have produced the most first dates. That's my favorite daygame venue and the one I put the most energy into.

If you're daygaming you should just be getting a phone number and setting up a date for later when you CAN be intimate without her friends.

This is the way to do it. The first date should be at a bar. Over 90% of my first dates are drinks dates at bars. That gives me a good chance to escalate sexually to some degree. While I might not get laid on a first date, I can create a sexually charged atmosphere and I can get a woman to see me as a sexual option.

Dinner dates in restaurants are far less sexual than drinks dates in bars.

An activity date can be a first date option. It's difficult to figure out a good activity date based on a 5-10 minute daygame conversation. That's why bar dates are better than activity dates. It is also more difficult to create a sexual atmosphere with most activity dates.

 

[BPH]

The first date should be at a bar. Over 90% of my first dates are drinks dates at bars. That gives me a good chance to escalate sexually to some degree. While I might not get laid on a first date, I can create a sexually charged atmosphere and I can get a woman to see me as a sexual option.

Dinner dates in restaurants are far less sexual than drinks dates in bars.

An activity date can be a first date option. It's difficult to figure out a good activity date based on a 5-10 minute daygame conversation. That's why bar dates are better than activity dates. It is also more difficult to create a sexual atmosphere with most activity dates.

@oliver109 this right here, do this.

Lemme extrapolate on some of this:

Bar dates - Nighttime, usually on weekends so the date doesn't have to be cut short by work in the morning. For that same reason, much easier to escalate and "stay overnight" if the date goes well. Not too expensive, semi-public so very low pressure, and alcohol being the social lubricant that it is, makes for a much more relaxed and fun environment. Plus, escalating is a bit more commonplace here than at other venues. This is probably the best "date" to set up after getting a girl's number 99% of the time, unless you're not old enough to drink.

Dinner dates - Hard no. This is something you do with somebody you're actively f***ing or dating. Dinner dates are expensive, time-consuming, and more often will lead to your date feeling bloated and tired by the end of it rather than "in the mood". I've always hated the idea of a dinner date because I dislike the notion of paying for somebody's time, as if theirs is more valuable than mine and I had to compensate for that somehow. If you do this, be mindful of women that want to go to a specific place or have a certain standard - these women want the free meal more than they want you.

Activity dates - Not ideal, but not as bad as dinner dates. Usually sober and during the daytime on weekdays, often because she's not available on the weekend or doesn't drink. This is something a girl will usually want to do after sleeping with you to see whether you enjoy each other's company, or just each other's genitals. This is also something girls will do when they want something more serious, so if you're looking for a casual FWB you'll usually want to avoid setting these up.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I guess a kink date would fall under activity dates...

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

Why are you approaching sober women, during the day, who are with their friends, trying to get intimate off a cold approach?

You'd be surprised. Women are just as big of dogs as men. IOIs can be shown at any time for any reason.

 

[BPH]

You'd be surprised. Women are just as big of dogs as men. IOIs can be shown at any time for any reason.

While true, they VERY rarely will show any level of intimacy with a perfect stranger - especially in front of friends who may judge them, and while sober do not have the crutch of alcohol as an excuse.

 

[EyeOnThePrize]

While true, they VERY rarely will show any level of intimacy with a perfect stranger - especially in front of friends who may judge them, and while sober do not have the crutch of alcohol as an excuse.

Speak for yourself. I prefer women sober and get hit on constantly in professional settings. It could be as simple as her tone or body language. Often times I can take the woman home that same day and bang her brains out. Probably over 95% of my lays are from day game. What's funny is often times women are simply reflecting my own charm back at me. The degree to which they reflect it tells me how game they are to play and at what rate I should escalate.

Anyway, we operate differently, likely due to different priorities. My point was simply that your assumptions are not congruent with my reality.

 

[BPH]

Speak for yourself. I prefer women sober and get hit on constantly in professional settings. It could be as simple as her tone or body language. Often times I can take the woman home that same day and bang her brains out. Probably over 95% of my lays are from day game. What's funny is often times women are simply reflecting my own charm back at me. The degree to which they reflect it tells me how game they are to play and at what rate I should escalate.

Anyway, we operate differently, likely due to different priorities. My point was simply that your assumptions are not congruent with my reality.

Are you in the US?

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

My opinion is that once you stop using terms like 1 set and 2 sets or k-close you won't care.

It seems like my sage advice was missed here.

 

[Isildur1]

I’ve dated women before from group sets in cold approach and I’ve seen wingmen get laid from group sets in cold approach it’s very possible

attraction is attraction make sure to focus on the whole group and not neglect her friends or they might get jealous and drag you away from them . Make sure the other women feel included in the conversation- winning rapport of the friends can really help your cause

having charismatic wingmen of course helps a lot and can buy yourself crucial time to seal the number / instagram. The better quality wingmen i had the better the results were from group sets the worse the wingmen the more work the group set was . So yeah planning and preparation can help a tonne too