High Body Counts

[Divorced w 3]

Pair bonding taken the way it was intended is a chemical bond. It’s been reintroduced by the RedCel community outside of its scientific definition. They’re trying to equate the prefrontal cortex’s role in the mating process to a super super super niche situation in nature.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

So do swans. And elephants. And orcas.

And Wookies.

 

[pipeman84]

Pair bonding is a red pill Disney myth.

Actually it's simple logic that the higher the body count, the higher the chances she's not good for anything other than quick sex. I'm not talking here about ridiculous situations like those mentioned in OP (20 guys by the time she finished college and suchlike.)

Take a 25yrs old girl who's had 4 boyfriends during the past 9 years. Many would say, wife material right there. But let's think logically, how is she going to handle the challenges of marriage and having kids, when she couldn't hold on to any of the 4 boyfriends? That means she's either too dumb in picking them and/or lacks loyalty and/or has some deep seated issues that chase the guys away.

The marriage might not end in divorce, so you don't see cases like her in the statistics. And again, I'm asking you to think logically: why is that? Because 1. she's made such a giant leap in self development that all the problems mentioned above have disappeared or 2. out of necessity: ie, she's older now, wants to fulfil the social circle expectations, has kids and needs the help and extra income etc.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Actually it's simple logic that the higher the body count, the higher the chances she's not good for anything other than quick sex. I'm not talking here about ridiculous situations like those mentioned in OP (20 guys by the time she finished college and suchlike.)

Take a 25yrs old girl who's had 4 boyfriends during the past 9 years. Many would say, wife material right there. But let's think logically, how is she going to handle the challenges of marriage and having kids, when she couldn't hold on to any of the 4 boyfriends? That means she's either too dumb in picking them and/or lacks loyalty and/or has some deep seated issues that chase the guys away.

The marriage might not end in divorce, so you don't see cases like her in the statistics. And again, I'm asking you to think logically: why is that? Because 1. she's made such a giant leap in self development that all the problems mentioned above have disappeared or 2. out of necessity: ie, she's older now, wants to fulfil the social circle expectations, has kids and needs the help and extra income etc.

You are asking me to think logically about a make believe woman you just dreamed up. Since we can't know all of the variables it is impossible to say what factors led her to this point and whether she is wife material or not and for whom. There's a lot of pseudoscience out there that anyone can grab and cite with confirmation bias to prove any point. Even here on SS no one can agree on what the threshold is for failure. Five d1cks...Four...One...

Logically long term permanent monogamy is not compatible with human desire. If it were natural we wouldn't need the government and/or church to enforce it. At least that's how I see it. I suppose people can "pair bond" in various ways but not in the purely monogamous way some red pill men are hoping for.

 

[Divorced w 3]

You are asking me to think logically…

…not in the purely monogamous way some red pill men are hoping for.

They’re not asking you to think logically. It’s a facade. Red pill is entirely based on theory.

A never-was rock hobbiest who spent a couple years on the road living in vans and banging bar maids and scene girls, who happened to be a psych major, who never spent a day working in the field of psychology came here one day after he personally become a married, monogamous man and his music hobby inevitably extinguished.

He wisely identified and cultivated a market of failing, pathetic, desperate men who had become bitter with the way evolution has culled their kind out over time, and allowed this very board to be his laboratory inventing a self help program. In doing that a movement was born.

That movement needed some validity since it was essentially nothing more than the writings of L Ron Hubbard for pathetic, lost men. Enter terms like ‘pair bonding’ which were straight up plagiarized from real science in order to offer some sort of proof that this was a real thing.

I challenge anyone to look at the charts and research provided above contracted with the real research I posted from actual science. It’s been 24 hours and counting. You can tag these luminaries, they won’t reply either. It’s a power rule, you evade you don’t engage.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Check out these pre-marriage notch count statistics. The 2010s stats end in the early 2010s (2012-2013).

View attachment 12371

By now (2024), it's likely that 20%+ of first time brides have a notch count of 10+.

Source please.

 

[member162951]

Interesting article from LinkedIn....

The influence of multiple partners on women’s pair bonding

The concept and dynamics of a relationship have been ever-changing. One question that floats is whether the number of partners a woman has been with affects how her subsequent relationships take shape.

www.linkedin.com

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[Divorced w 3]

Interesting article from LinkedIn....

The influence of multiple partners on women’s pair bonding

The concept and dynamics of a relationship have been ever-changing. One question that floats is whether the number of partners a woman has been with affects how her subsequent relationships take shape.

www.linkedin.com

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No sources in that article

 

[member162951]

No sources in that article

I know, responders mentioned that as well.
One responder found this:

The Brain and Sex - Medical Institute

Sex is an important, healthy appetite for humans. Modern neuroscience research has uncovered startling new information about how sex affects our brains. The effect of sex on our brains can have all sorts of consequences, including many that scientists are still working to understand. But we...

www.medinstitute.org

 

[parabellum]

Yeh man we have to take accountability as men and admit that we missed our opportunity. High school age is when homo sapiens were designed to make long lasting pair bonds. College is late and mid 20s is super late. All of our most impactful bonding has already occurred by 18 or 19 ( for women anyway).

Couldn’t agree more. I have tried to articulate that anything else is just later bloomers and it’s just the “leftovers” from that process . Of course, you can still do stuff with that, and most in this situation do, because it’s just unreasonable to retire yourself from the pool, but being mindful of this should help not to get too attached.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I know, responders mentioned that as well.
One responder found this:

The Brain and Sex - Medical Institute

Sex is an important, healthy appetite for humans. Modern neuroscience research has uncovered startling new information about how sex affects our brains. The effect of sex on our brains can have all sorts of consequences, including many that scientists are still working to understand. But we...

www.medinstitute.org

Our Board of Directors

www.medinstitute.org

 

[member162951]

Our Board of Directors

www.medinstitute.org

Lol, fair enough.

The article isn't Gospel, just another perspective I thought was interesting, that's all.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Lol, fair enough.

The article isn't Gospel, just another perspective I thought was interesting, that's all.

Speaking of Gospel, the living founder is a Christian writer and former Bush appointee, ie he’s a ‘beating heart’ proponent

An Abstinence of Judgment

The Bush administration's new appointee to the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV / AIDS is motivated more by ideology than science, critics warn.

www.austinchronicle.com

 

[FlirtLife]

Religious rules prohibited pre-marital sex for hundreds of years. That wasn't arbitrary, even for those of us who don't practice it. I think that rule grew out of the bond formed between two virgins experiencing their first time together. Maybe that could be a starting point in the definition of a strong pair bond.

 

[inquisitor]

Check out these pre-marriage notch count statistics. The 2010s stats end in the early 2010s (2012-2013).

View attachment 12371

By now (2024), it's likely that 20%+ of first time brides have a notch count of 10+.

Where was the study conducted?

 

[Divorced w 3]

Where was the study conducted?

Waco, Texas

 

[inquisitor]

Because the magic number is 6. The rate of divorce skyrockets of women that have had more than 6 sexual partners. @SW15 had the stuE="pipeman84, post: 3104587, member: 160629"]
Take a 25yrs old girl who's had 4 boyfriends during the past 9 years. Many would say, wife material right there. But let's think logically, how is she going to handle the challenges of marriage and having kids, when she couldn't hold on to any of the 4 boyfriends? That means she's either too dumb in picking them and/or lacks loyalty and/or has some deep seated issues that chase the guys away.

The marriage might not end in divorce, so you don't see cases like her in the statistics. And again, I'm asking you to think logically: why is that? Because 1. she's made such a giant leap in self development that all the problems mentioned above have disappeared or 2. out of necessity: ie, she's older now, wants to fulfil the social circle expectations, has kids and needs the help and extra income etc.

Such logic breaks down when you consider that the four boyfriends are the dumb ones (which in recent times, is just as likely). She would have held on had one of them knew what they were doing.

It is not mere logic.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Actually it's simple logic that the higher the body count, the higher the chances she's not good for anything other than quick sex. I'm not talking here about ridiculous situations like those mentioned in OP (20 guys by the time she finished college and suchlike.)

Take a 25yrs old girl who's had 4 boyfriends during the past 9 years. Many would say, wife material right there. But let's think logically, how is she going to handle the challenges of marriage and having kids, when she couldn't hold on to any of the 4 boyfriends? That means she's either too dumb in picking them and/or lacks loyalty and/or has some deep seated issues that chase the guys away.

The marriage might not end in divorce, so you don't see cases like her in the statistics. And again, I'm asking you to think logically: why is that? Because 1. she's made such a giant leap in self development that all the problems mentioned above have disappeared or 2. out of necessity: ie, she's older now, wants to fulfil the social circle expectations, has kids and needs the help and extra income etc.

I’ve only been here under a year. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems to me most here do not want marriage. If that’s the case, I don’t see why anyone would care about body count.

Some are not fond of studies pertaining to this. My own observation is that nearly all women I know since 12 years old who were what I call “professional girlfriends” since young ages are divorced. Those who were more subdued and did not have one gorillion bore-friends are married with children and appear to be very satisfied with their lives, my family cousins included. The latter never made their relations with men and their sexuality the focal points of their existences.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Religious rules prohibited pre-marital sex for hundreds of years.

Yes true. Then every religion / cult ends up with clergy and leadership breaking those prohibitions and others that shouldn't even need to be considered. Put a guy in charge and he'll be happy to tell people when, how and whom to fukk but he'll rarely follow his own doctrine. It's like sexual socialism.

 

[FlirtLife]

Yes true. Then every religion / cult ends up with clergy and leadership breaking those prohibitions and others that shouldn't even need to be considered. Put a guy in charge and he'll be happy to tell people when, how and whom to fukk but he'll rarely follow his own doctrine. It's like sexual socialism.

The point of my post was the last line, not the first.

Religious rules prohibited pre-marital sex for hundreds of years. That wasn't arbitrary, even for those of us who don't practice it. I think that rule grew out of the bond formed between two virgins experiencing their first time together. Maybe that could be a starting point in the definition of a strong pair bond.