Article: Marriage rates are up, and divorce rates are down, new data shows

[Pierce Manhammer]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/health/marriage-divorce-rates-wellness/index.html

In 2022, marriage rates rebounded to 6.2 per 1,000 people, up from a low of 5.1 in 2020, while divorce rates continued to decline, reaching 2.4 per 1,000 people.

It’s interesting, possibly people are starting to realize that being in a relationship has more value?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

....or maybe more hispanics (regardless of what status they may claim on the census forms) lol

 

[SW15]

Marriage rates and divorce rates don't mean a lot overall. The commonly cited divorce rate is a ratio of marriage to divorces in a given year.

Here's a further explanation from the article below. I've pulled quotes.

Divorce Statistics - Alpha Male 2.0

I often point to the current high divorce rates as evidence of human beings not being creatures capable of, or even desirous of, absolute long-term monogamy, vastly preferring short-term monogamy and/or temporary marriages instead. Usually I refer to either the “standard” divorce rate most often...

alphamale20.com

Talking about the "divorce rate" is tricky, because the often quoted "standard" divorce rate of "50%" is what's called the "divorce to marriage ratio". It's not actually the divorce rate. It's the ratio of marriages to divorces in a given country that occur within a given individual year. As you might imagine, that really doesn't tell you much

The divorce rate is only 33%!"

First of all, even if that's true, which I will demonstrate in a moment it's not, 33% is still really terrible... The reality is that looking at that one stat doesn't tell the true story. Far more than one out of three people get divorced. Why? Because:

1. That stat doesn't take into account the number of adults who have never been married or haven't been married yet. As I'll be showing you in a minute, that's a hell of a lot of people.

2. That stat doesn't take into account people currently married who haven't divorced their spouses yet, but who will at some point in the next few decades. Which again, as I will show in a minute, is a titanic number of people, both numerically and in terms of percentages.
Add those two together, and now that 33% figure is suddenly way off. As in, way too low.

Your risk of divorce is not about whether or not you've been divorced yet. Rather, it's based around the odds of you ever getting divorced at any point throughout your entire lifespan. I'm talking about the odds of you getting divorced, even once, at any time, from age 18 to 82, which is the average life expectancy of someone in the Western world.

Below are 2 more meaningful articles on the subject.

Divorce Statistics and Facts | What Affects Divorce Rates in the U.S.?

We found every divorce statistic, study and fact you need to know - over 115 in all. Find out what impacts divorce (spoiler: almost everything).

www.wf-lawyers.com

CDC: Only half of first marriages last 20 years

www.nbcnews.com

 

[BaronOfHair]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/health/marriage-divorce-rates-wellness/index.html

In 2022, marriage rates rebounded to 6.2 per 1,000 people, up from a low of 5.1 in 2020, while divorce rates continued to decline, reaching 2.4 per 1,000 people.

It’s interesting, possibly people are starting to realize that being in a relationship has more value?

Incidents of long-term marriage and families remaining intact all increase dramatically, when more folks within a nation's population achieve upward mobility. In The US, we're currently burdened with an array of so-called anti-poverty policies which obstruct citizens's opportunities to move up the socioeconomic ladder https://www.wnyc.org/story/strengthening-welfare-work-system/

Rectify that, and marriage rates will soar, while divorce rates fall

 

[EyeBRollin]

Incidents of long-term marriage and families remaining intact all increase dramatically, when more folks within a nation's population achieve upward mobility. In The US, we're currently burdened with an array of so-called anti-poverty policies which obstruct citizens's opportunities to move up the socioeconomic ladder https://www.wnyc.org/story/strengthening-welfare-work-system/

Rectify that, and marriage rates will soar, while divorce rates fall

True to some extent however the US has a women upward mobility “problem.” The issue is that as women earn more, they price themselves out of suitable mates. A man that making less than a woman is unpalatable for both the man and woman.

 

[BadBoy89]

I think it’s more about money.

Things are more expensive now, Better to stay in a bad relationship and save money than be free and not be able to save.

 

[BaronOfHair]

True to some extent however the US has a women upward mobility “problem.” The issue is that as women earn more, they price themselves out of suitable mates. A man that making less than a woman is unpalatable for both the man and woman.

Let's get even more subatomic with all of this:

-While it's true that women over-represent men on most university campuses, 76-80% of all Americans(Male AND female alike)have little to no education beyond K-12. Contrary to the image many of us get from The Manosphere, the vast majority of American women ARE NOT going straight out of Yale and into The C Suites of Goldman Sachs, while most men languish in barely minimum wage labor. The vast majority of men and women alike are living paycheck, desperately trying to stay above water

-Of that relatively small sliver of the female population that does go on to university, most end up majoring in the humanities(particularly psychology)during their undegrad, and of that portion, very few will go on to grad school of any kind, much less pursue degrees in law, engineering, or achieve their MBA. Ergo, most university educated women will only be outearning their non-university educated peers of both genders for a very brief period of their working lives, if even that. Hell, most of these female uni grads(Who again haven't gone onto grad schoo)have accrued steep student debt earning degrees with lousy ROIs

-Even today, over 66% of all women report preferring part-time employment. They won't be outearning many men, most of whom prefer full-time employment

Get rid of most forms of government financial support, in favor of putting the poor into steady, legit work + providing these folks with job training, and provide more ready access to vocational training than currently exists in most parts of The US.... We'll end up with several million men who've achieved firmly middle-upper middle class status as electricians, machinists, mill wrights, mechanics, and the like, who enjoy stable marriages to gals who graduated from cosmetology school, and work at the salon 3-4 days a week

Problem is significantly ameliorated, if not solved entirely

 

[EyeBRollin]

Let's get even more subatomic with all of this:

-While it's true that women over-represent men on most university campuses, 76-80% of all Americans(Male AND female alike)have little to no education beyond K-12.

This is simply not true. The amount of adults with a bachelors degree or higher in the USA is 37.7%

To highlight this further, there is a sex gap in education:

• In 2022, 30.1% of men age 25 and older had completed a high school diploma or GED as their highest level of educational attainment, compared with 27.0% of women age 25 and older.
  [*]In 2022, 39.0% of women age 25 and older, and 36.2% of men in the same age range, had completed a bachelor’s degree or more as their highest level of educational attainment.

 

[SW15]

The amount of adults with a bachelors degree or higher in the USA is 37.7%

The percentage of USA residents with a bachelor's degree or higher is too high. Millennials and Gen Z have been overeducated. I would say the overeducated trend has its roots in Gen X.

the US has a women upward mobility “problem.” The issue is that as women earn more, they price themselves out of suitable mates. A man that making less than a woman is unpalatable for both the man and woman.

I agree with all of this.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The percentage of USA residents with a bachelor's degree or higher is too high. Millennials and Gen Z have been overeducated. I would say the overeducated trend has its roots in Gen X.

I wouldn’t say overeducated. More education is not a bad thing. It’s just too many of these degrees are junk degrees, rather than a professional education. Society can’t have “too many” scientists, health care professionals, lawyers, engineers, accountants, journalists, and teachers. We can certainly have too many “psychologists” and “gender studies” graduates though!

 

[SW15]

We can certainly have too many “psychologists” and “gender studies” graduates though!

We do have too many liberal arts majors who end up as baristas at Starbucks or end up with other jobs that don't require a bachelor's degree. It's better if those people don't go to college at all and achieve the same outcome or we send more people to trade schools.

Women have used bachelor's/advanced degrees, preferential hiring practices, and white collar jobs to price themselves out of the marriage market. Women have become the beta male providers that they used to rely on in the past. This is why the beta male with a decent job is no longer in demand in the sexual marketplace.

 

[BaronOfHair]

This is simply not true. The amount of adults with a bachelors degree or higher in the USA is 37.7%

To highlight this further, there is a sex gap in education:

Numbers seem to vary, depending upon the source https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/educational-attainment.html

Either way we slice of all of this though, most Americans don't have a university degree of any sort, and most have no desire for one either. Not after they've spent K-12 bored out of their minds. Most folks of both genders would be much happier and better served by vocational training of some sort

That'd lift several million Americans out of their current, precarious financial straits, and into the middle and upper classes. People in the middle and upper classes enjoy more solid marriages and healthier family lives than those on the lower rungs of the socioeconomic ladder

 

[EyeBRollin]

Numbers seem to vary, depending upon the source https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2022/educational-attainment.html

Either way we slice of all of this though, most Americans don't have a university degree of any sort, and most have no desire for one either. Not after they've spent K-12 bored out of their minds. Most folks of both genders would be much happier and better served by vocational training of some sort

There’s a difference between “most” as 62%, and “most” as 80% as you said. There’s no need to push an anti-college, pro-trades agenda. The bottom line is, marriage rates have declined due to female income growth in the market. Hypergamy does not allow a fruitful union when the wife makes more than her husband. Modern college-educated women also look down on men in the trades, regardless of if he out earns her or not. Hypergamy is just the way the female brain is wired.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

And just a month or so ago, there was a thread about modern men and women no longer desiring LTR / Marriage.

 

[BaronOfHair]

There’s a difference between “most” as 62%, and “most” as 80% as you said. There’s no need to push an anti-college, pro-trades agenda. The bottom line is, marriage rates have declined due to female income growth in the market. Hypergamy does not allow a fruitful union when the wife makes more than her husband. Modern college-educated women also look down on men in the trades, regardless of if he out earns her or not. Hypergamy is just the way the female brain is wired.

If the number of Americans with university education is in the 30% range, as you've written in prior posts, that leaves the number of Americans without in the 70% range. I'm not pushing an anti-university, pro-trade school agenda, just simply pointing that most Americans aren't gung ho to spend 4 years or more at university, when they spent K-12 bored to tears, and still have no interest in the life of the mind

Believing that we can create a society where the number of people who gain sustenance from the words of Nabokov comprise the majority, while the number of folks who prefer to spend their free time binge watching Tiger King for the billionth time comprise a vanishingly small minority of the population, makes less sense than expecting Red China to stop involuntairly aborting every Uyghur fetus in the land anytime soon

Not sure why we sweat the fact that white collar career women(Who ultimately make up a small percentage of the female population)aren't interested in marrying men who made their millions in plumbing. Their beliefs are their beliefs. Men bemoaning such things is tantamount to women groaning over the fact that guys prefer pretty faces that are attached to lean, sexy bodies, and aren't generally lusting after morbidly obese waitresses at Denny's

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

37%

The Percentage of Americans with College Degrees in 2024

We look at the percentage of Americans with college degrees. Wondering what percentage of Americans go to college? See all of the stats here.

www.collegetransitions.com

 

[BaronOfHair]

By all means, let's make four year university more accessible for those who'd like to attend, along with prodding these same institutions towards rediscovering the mission of free inquiry and pursuit of the truth, instead of peddling asinine political doctrines

Let's also not be so foolish as to believe that we're ever going to be a nation where 80-90% of our citizenry hold advanced degrees, or that this is the most surefire way of getting more people into the middle and upper classes I.E. The demographics who are most likely to enjoy long-term marriages and maintain intact families

We haven't even discussed the estimated millions of our brothers and sisters who are functionally illiterate, and who thus won't benefit from four years at Swarthmore. Vocational training is pretty much their only hope for achieving a middle-upper middle class existence. Where they're more likely to have have solid marriages

 

[Solomon]

And just a month or so ago, there was a thread about modern men and women no longer desiring LTR / Marriage.

I said it last year in a thread that marriage rates will explode to the upside within the next 10 years, why?
-Higher inflation which means cost of living
-Job loss-New tech AI etc
-Civil unrest
-Global Economic collapse and more
-Famine-It started in 2020 but you will see this ramp up in the next few years

We already saw in 08 recession when things get tough women don't eff around and vet for long-term relationships, well things since 2020 have gotten tougher and will get even tougher now.

The positives IMO is not just marriage which will bring back things to center but also a surge back in conservative values.

 

[RickTheToad]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/17/health/marriage-divorce-rates-wellness/index.html

In 2022, marriage rates rebounded to 6.2 per 1,000 people, up from a low of 5.1 in 2020, while divorce rates continued to decline, reaching 2.4 per 1,000 people.

It’s interesting, possibly people are starting to realize that being in a relationship has more value?

Most likely it's coming from the religious people (Catholics/Jews/Christians/Muslims/etc.); not the secular bunch. If both have a strong religious foundation, there is the theory that family and community will keep sh!t together.

One could also say this is bullsh!t propaganda.

 

[zekko]

Perhaps this is a backlash against the hedonism of the day. It's common for young people to rebel against the prior generation. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened in as positive a way as I have been hoping for.