We place far far too much emphasis on female physicality and beauty

[Bingo-Player]

think ive mad these type of posts before but this isnt just a male problem its a society wide problem

I feel the entire planet places an insane amount of value on female physicality and beauty

I'm not going to pretend I am immune to this because to be quite honest I fvcking love women and their bodies

I love seeing them in summer dresses , bikinis , lingerie , suspenders , cosplay , role play , gym wear

I do fvcking love all of it

BUT

I feel the objectification is out of control and it is unhealthy for everyone ,

I know men that if push came to shove would literally kill another man to get some particular pu$$Y , women are in constant competition with one another to achieve this look and it sort of pushes the hypergamy into overdrive

Theres a TV show in the UK called first dates its basically a reality show of people having first dates in a restaurant setting

They put people of all ages on the show , from like 20's right the way through 60's , what I find very very interesting is that when a woman say under 40 comes into the restaraunt all dolled up the camera will show literally the entire restaurants pausing and heads turning this isnt a set up its a genuine mass reaction

A man or an older woman comes in and nobody bats an eyelid

It is a little disturbing and unsettling to see the level of power and influence an attractive woman can exert over a social dynamic

I mean ultimately shes not doing anything other than simply being , theres absolutely no logical reason why everyone should be so triggered yet they constantly are

I use the tv show as a good example but ive seen so many of these scenarios happen in day to day life too , especially in club , restaurant and bar settings but also workplace too


Does anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

 

[soulforge]

think ive mad these type of posts before but this isnt just a male problem its a society wide problem

I feel the entire planet places an insane amount of value on female physicality and beauty

I'm not going to pretend I am immune to this because to be quite honest I fvcking love women and their bodies

I love seeing them in summer dresses , bikinis , lingerie , suspenders , cosplay , role play , gym wear

I do fvcking love all of it

BUT

I feel the objectification is out of control and it is unhealthy for everyone ,

I know men that if push came to shove would literally kill another man to get some particular pu$$Y , women are in constant competition with one another to achieve this look and it sort of pushes the hypergamy into overdrive

Theres a TV show in the UK called first dates its basically a reality show of people having first dates in a restaurant setting

They put people of all ages on the show , from like 20's right the way through 60's , what I find very very interesting is that when a woman say under 40 comes into the restaraunt all dolled up the camera will show literally the entire restaurants pausing and heads turning this isnt a set up its a genuine mass reaction

A man or an older woman comes in and nobody bats an eyelid

It is a little disturbing and unsettling to see the level of power and influence an attractive woman can exert over a social dynamic

I mean ultimately shes not doing anything other than simply being , theres absolutely no logical reason why everyone should be so triggered yet they constantly are

I use the tv show as a good example but ive seen so many of these scenarios happen in day to day life too , especially in club , restaurant and bar settings but also workplace too


Does anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

Yeh man honestly I believe porn has a part to play in this, everyone is horny and furk because they are constantly exposed to hot beautiful bodies in pornography.

It's like everyone wants porn type of sex with hottest and youngest chicks.

I love the female form too, especially the fit slim ones, however I have come to realise wanting/needing this level over beauty overrides your logic and senses, and this is how dudes get so badly burned in relationships.

 

[Gamisch]

think ive mad these type of posts before but this isnt just a male problem its a society wide problem

I feel the entire planet places an insane amount of value on female physicality and beauty

I'm not going to pretend I am immune to this because to be quite honest I fvcking love women and their bodies

I love seeing them in summer dresses , bikinis , lingerie , suspenders , cosplay , role play , gym wear

I do fvcking love all of it

BUT

I feel the objectification is out of control and it is unhealthy for everyone ,

I know men that if push came to shove would literally kill another man to get some particular pu$$Y , women are in constant competition with one another to achieve this look and it sort of pushes the hypergamy into overdrive

Theres a TV show in the UK called first dates its basically a reality show of people having first dates in a restaurant setting

They put people of all ages on the show , from like 20's right the way through 60's , what I find very very interesting is that when a woman say under 40 comes into the restaraunt all dolled up the camera will show literally the entire restaurants pausing and heads turning this isnt a set up its a genuine mass reaction

A man or an older woman comes in and nobody bats an eyelid

It is a little disturbing and unsettling to see the level of power and influence an attractive woman can exert over a social dynamic

I mean ultimately shes not doing anything other than simply being , theres absolutely no logical reason why everyone should be so triggered yet they constantly are

I use the tv show as a good example but ive seen so many of these scenarios happen in day to day life too , especially in club , restaurant and bar settings but also workplace too


Does anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

Definitely. That's why modern women have pushed the goal post and we are where we are nowadays.

While we talk about game ,the rules ect there's a woman right now who'll say if you dont buy her dinner you aint worthy her time. Why? Because she can. My niece was always kinda hot. She always told me that she went out without money....no need to have cash when every man and his brother is buying you drinks anyway....

Heck, even a man who decides to become a woman benefits from the female advantages

Yeh man honestly I believe porn has a part to play in this, everyone is horny and furk because they are constantly exposed to hot beautiful bodies in pornography.

It's like everyone wants porn type of sex with hottest and youngest chicks.

I love the female form too, especially the fit slim ones, however I have come to realise wanting/needing this level over beauty overrides your logic and senses, and this is how dudes get so badly burned in relationships.

Pron definitely has an influence on men and what they THINK they want. Mind you , social media tiktok, music videos and movies/series are the FEMALE version of pron where they watch nothing but pretty jacked dudes with a extravagant wardrobe and lifestyle.

There's this pop the balloon date show. They'll invite a famous rapper and let the women fight for him. The main issue with this is that 30 women will show up ,and all of them AT VERY LEAST want such a "top guy". Good luck keeping these women satisfied with your post office job...and what do they bring to the table? Yup. Beauty that's fading.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

It's in our programming. Men and women. Studies show that women check out other women more than men do, in fact.

Advertisers are just exploiting this. Logically we know it's "superficial." However billions of years of evolution shaped a healthy and fertile female figure into what it is for a reason.

 

[LTG71]

think ive mad these type of posts before but this isnt just a male problem its a society wide problem

I feel the entire planet places an insane amount of value on female physicality and beauty

I'm not going to pretend I am immune to this because to be quite honest I fvcking love women and their bodies

I love seeing them in summer dresses , bikinis , lingerie , suspenders , cosplay , role play , gym wear

I do fvcking love all of it

BUT

I feel the objectification is out of control and it is unhealthy for everyone ,

I know men that if push came to shove would literally kill another man to get some particular pu$$Y , women are in constant competition with one another to achieve this look and it sort of pushes the hypergamy into overdrive

Theres a TV show in the UK called first dates its basically a reality show of people having first dates in a restaurant setting

They put people of all ages on the show , from like 20's right the way through 60's , what I find very very interesting is that when a woman say under 40 comes into the restaraunt all dolled up the camera will show literally the entire restaurants pausing and heads turning this isnt a set up its a genuine mass reaction

A man or an older woman comes in and nobody bats an eyelid

It is a little disturbing and unsettling to see the level of power and influence an attractive woman can exert over a social dynamic

I mean ultimately shes not doing anything other than simply being , theres absolutely no logical reason why everyone should be so triggered yet they constantly are

I use the tv show as a good example but ive seen so many of these scenarios happen in day to day life too , especially in club , restaurant and bar settings but also workplace too


Does anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

Evolutionary biology and cultural influences.

You don’t even need to look at porn. Regular media tries to dictate who they think we should like. Like putting fat chics on the cover of magazines and promoting “body acceptance.” Sorry, you can’t fight centuries of evolution and shame me into liking a cow. Same goes for women. They are not going to start picking short guys because they see them on a cover of a magazine.

There are countless categories of porn. I think the problem is that women in porn are willing, ready and able to perform with zero resistance. This is far from what is experienced in the real world. Porn is a short cut to the end goal.

But yes. A woman that is perceived as beautiful can walk into a room and everyone looks. It’s a funny dynamic. Guys want to fvck her and women hate her because she is competition. There is a “pretty privilege“ and it applies to both men and women. I think women are worse about this than men. They are in competition with each other at all times.

It‘s funny to hear women throw shade on another attractive woman. They usually try to disqualify her as a “slut” because they know deep down inside that men don’t want to give his resources to a hoe.

Him - “Oh, she’s pretty.”
Her - “I can’t believe she is wearing that top, she looks trashy”
Him thinking - “Yeah, I noticed her beautiful t!ts the moment she entered the room.”

 

[Black Widow Void]

It's not just in the UK, here in the states it's just as stupid.

It's not uncommon to see an advertisement of some old geezer drinking (insert beer brand name) with some much younger girl looking adorning toward him. And guess what? Next thing you know... this beer brand is suddenly increasing their sales. The beer company wins, but the old geezer's are still without their 'dream girl.'

When it comes to women, I have a type. Is it conventional standards? Probably not. Why should I care? I don't because I'm not hostage to someone else's approval. The sad reality is no matter if it's the UK, US etc... most people are.

 

[The Duke]

The objectification of women has been going on since the beginning of time. They objectify themselves as much as men objectify them. Even women objectify men for their wallets, physical strength, handyman skills, safety, etc. I think its burned into our DNA. Its pretty natural.

I would not desire a woman if it wasn't for her beauty. They come with too many negative side effects for me to want one that wasn't attractive.

 

[The Duke]

It's in our programming. Men and women. Studies show that women check out other women more than men do, in fact.

Advertisers are just exploiting this. Logically we know it's "superficial." However billions of years of evolution shaped a healthy and fertile female figure into what it is for a reason.

I've dated many girls and have caught them checking out other girls so I always tease and ask them about it. I find they typically have a type. That type usually looks a lot like them.

 

[Bingo-Player]

It's like everyone wants porn type of sex with hottest and youngest chicks.

I love the female form too, especially the fit slim ones, however I have come to realise wanting/needing this level over beauty overrides your logic and senses, and this is how dudes get so badly burned in relationships.

yea I defenitley feel its a constant mental battle

Like I have to keep reminding myself these girls are just ordinary people they aren't sex symbols even if they are portraying themselves as that

Like in Gym everywhere I look there is T1ts , Pu$$y and Ars$ and I mean it is all full on display these girls couldn't wear tighter leggings or shorts if they tried

I was just in gym now one chick was wearing a sports bra that was so small you could literally see her most of her t1ts busting out

IDK how the **** any red blooded male isn't supposed to not get turned on by all this but its creating thirst

Like I said constant battle within my own mind

 

[soulforge]

Yeh I struggle to focus in the gym most of the time.. it's literally wall to walk hot azz in my gym.. young girls with fine as fuk bodies.

 

[Barrister]

OP - I don't disagree with you. But it is how we as men are wired. That is what we want. And it is what advertisers play to because it makes them $$$. Trying to push back on that is futile. Doesn't mean you can't control your own urges, but subconsciously you still want what you want.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I can see where the bitterness comes from now in older women

I mean older men they can still pay to play if they have the £££ and there will be a niche of younger women who have a fetish for older c0ck

there are options

older women however are literally obsolete in society theres this like 40 year old woman I see in gym absolutley busting her A$$ off day in day out yet she still can't hold a candle to a 20 Y/O that trains 1 or 2 times a week

Its fvcking crazy lol

 

[Bokanovsky]

OP - I don't disagree with you. But it is how we as men are wired. That is what we want. And it is what advertisers play to because it makes them $$$. Trying to push back on that is futile. Doesn't mean you can't control your own urges, but subconsciously you still want what you want.

Men are wired to be attracted to beautiful women. No one is disputing that. However, the extreme (and I mean EXTREME) veneration of female beauty that is particularly prevalent in Anglo countries is a cultural phenomenon. There is no shortage of cultures where female beauty, while still recognized, is worshipped to a much lesser degree. I don't known what it is about Anglo culture that turns men into drooling idiots any time they see a pretty face but I don't believe that it's an entirely natural phenomenon.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Men are wired to be attracted to beautiful women. No one is disputing that. However, the extreme (and I mean EXTREME) veneration of female beauty that is particularly prevalent in Anglo countries is a cultural phenomenon. There is no shortage of cultures where female beauty, while still recognized, is worshipped to a much lesser degree. I don't known what it is about Anglo culture that turns men into drooling idiots any time they see a pretty face but I don't believe that it's an entirely natural phenomenon.

yea I think you summarised it well

think is in anglo countries young women have become accustom to weaponising it , they use an array of tools to boost their beauty to insane levels and men are struggling to control themselves

there needs to be some sort of change , recognition theres a problem would be a start

 

[Barrister]

Men are wired to be attracted to beautiful women. No one is disputing that. However, the extreme (and I mean EXTREME) veneration of female beauty that is particularly prevalent in Anglo countries is a cultural phenomenon. There is no shortage of cultures where female beauty, while still recognized, is worshipped to a much lesser degree. I don't known what it is about Anglo culture that turns men into drooling idiots any time they see a pretty face but I don't believe that it's an entirely natural phenomenon.

I wouldn't have any personal knowledge of non-Anglo cultures and how they perceive beauty and react to it. But I suspect you are right.

I think the combination of Disney-princess and men being programmed that they must prove themselves to women (especially beautiful women) over decades plus has a lot to do with it. That is why a de-programming center like SS is so important to men.

 

[Bokanovsky]

yea I think you summarised it well

think is in anglo countries young women have become accustom to weaponising it , they use an array of tools to boost their beauty to insane levels and men are struggling to control themselves

there needs to be some sort of change , recognition theres a problem would be a start

I think that it's largely related to the fact that Anglo men are obsessed with sex. Men are taught from an early age that their self-worth is intrinsically tied to their ability to get laid. This turns men into pvssy beggars and causes them to act irrationally. And that, in turn, makes women entitled and spoiled.

Fun fact: expressions like "getting laid" and "getting lucky" are pretty much unique to the English language. Other languages obviously have words and expressions connoting sexual intercourse, but framing sex as something that a man is "lucky" to get is a uniquely English construction as far as I am aware.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

think ive mad these type of posts before but this isnt just a male problem its a society wide problem

I feel the entire planet places an insane amount of value on female physicality and beauty

I'm not going to pretend I am immune to this because to be quite honest I fvcking love women and their bodies

I love seeing them in summer dresses , bikinis , lingerie , suspenders , cosplay , role play , gym wear

I do fvcking love all of it

BUT

I feel the objectification is out of control and it is unhealthy for everyone ,

I know men that if push came to shove would literally kill another man to get some particular pu$$Y , women are in constant competition with one another to achieve this look and it sort of pushes the hypergamy into overdrive

Theres a TV show in the UK called first dates its basically a reality show of people having first dates in a restaurant setting

They put people of all ages on the show , from like 20's right the way through 60's , what I find very very interesting is that when a woman say under 40 comes into the restaraunt all dolled up the camera will show literally the entire restaurants pausing and heads turning this isnt a set up its a genuine mass reaction

A man or an older woman comes in and nobody bats an eyelid

It is a little disturbing and unsettling to see the level of power and influence an attractive woman can exert over a social dynamic

I mean ultimately shes not doing anything other than simply being , theres absolutely no logical reason why everyone should be so triggered yet they constantly are

I use the tv show as a good example but ive seen so many of these scenarios happen in day to day life too , especially in club , restaurant and bar settings but also workplace too


Does anyone else have any thoughts on this ?

Beauty, in particular, women’s beauty, has always been an overwhelming driving force throughout history. See Helen of Troy, David & Bathsheba. Samson & Deliliah…
Beauty inspires us (dopamine). There is no denying the power of beauty.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I think that it's largely related to the fact that Anglo men are obsessed with sex. Men are taught from an early age that their self-worth is intrinsically tied to their ability to get laid. This turns men into pvssy beggars and causes them to act irrationally. And that, in turn, makes women entitled and spoiled.

Fun fact: expressions like "getting laid" and "getting lucky" are pretty much unique to the English language. Other languages obviously have words and expressions connoting sexual intercourse, but framing sex as something that a man is "lucky" to get is a uniquely English construction as far as I am aware.

I wonder if this is a legacy from the Romantic era of chivalry & courtship?

 

[Bokanovsky]

I wonder if this is a legacy from the Romantic era of chivalry & courtship?

I don't think so. Chivalry was invented by the French. And yet, the French are not nearly as bad as the English/Americans/Australians when it comes to worshipping women. Even here in Canada, if you observe how men from Quebec (a French speaking province) act around women, it is very different compared to how men from English speaking provinces act.

The example brought up by Bingo-Player of an attractive woman walking in and the the entire restaurant pausing and heads turning is a uniquely Anglo phenomenon. I can guarantee that this would not happen a non-English speaking country. If you've been to any major city in, say, Eastern Europe, you would have seen stunning women literally everywhere - on the subway, in grocery stores, on the street, etc. And they are usually well dressed (no sweatpants/sneakers) even when they go about their daily errands. When a woman like that walks into a restaurant in Moscow, Budapest, Prague, Kiev, etc., no one bats an eyelash.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I think that it's largely related to the fact that Anglo men are obsessed with sex. Men are taught from an early age that their self-worth is intrinsically tied to their ability to get laid. This turns men into pvssy beggars and causes them to act irrationally. And that, in turn, makes women entitled and spoiled.

Fun fact: expressions like "getting laid" and "getting lucky" are pretty much unique to the English language. Other languages obviously have words and expressions connoting sexual intercourse, but framing sex as something that a man is "lucky" to get is a uniquely English construction as far as I am aware.

Good insight

I feel that pressure too but until now found it hard to quantify it , its almost like in this modern society everything you do is kind of linked to getting sex or getting women

Need to de sexualise my mind and body

Free myself from this nonsense