Millions of men vs a few red pillers

[SmoothSmooth]

Millions of men, including your forefathers, and men from all around the world will tell you their experience.

WOMEN VALUE MONEY.
A few anonymous red pillers on random forums on the interwebs will tell you that women value ‘game’ and that game eclipses money.

well, I look around at my social circle. And I see ZERO girls in relationships with men with ‘game’ or ‘red pill knowledge’.
I see two things.

women going for rich, successful men with muscles (‘archetypal alpha male’ by SOCIAL standards) - often in the context of flings since these men don’t need to commit. These men are confident as a byproduct of their social success. It’s real confidence, not red pill macho Andrew tate confidence.

or women settling down with beta, supplicating, loyal nice men. Often directly from their social circle, it’s as ‘authentic’ a relationship can be between a man and woman as they tend to meet naturally and have things in common socially (religion; race; goals etc)

People say … ‘well what about Elon musk? Or X billionaire who got divorced’ … yeah, the girl STILL F@cked him for X amount of years before she lost attraction. The girl was still levels above his smv. And guess who she ended up dating after him, another million/billionaire most likely.

the three main things women go for are MONEY, height and MUSCLES. Because; as mystery method pointed out - women are programmed to go for the tribal leader. Physical dominance and resources = tribal leader.

game helps you keep the girls that are already into you, and maintain relationships. But attracting woman is about either being a nice guy, or being socially affluent and in shape.

 

[Plinco]

I see all of these traits as inseparable; there's no separation of mind and body. Game, looks, money, social status, etc. all go together. People achieve their success differently however, so some people look good, some make more money than how they look, etc. but one thing affects the other.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Is anything in the OP actually news to anyone here? The truth is, I don't know why anyone here talks about guys with massive social proof or billionaires - it does not apply to anyone on the forum, so why even compare?

 

[The Duke]

Millions of men, including your forefathers, and men from all around the world will tell you their experience.

WOMEN VALUE MONEY.
A few anonymous red pillers on random forums on the interwebs will tell you that women value ‘game’ and that game eclipses money.

well, I look around at my social circle. And I see ZERO girls in relationships with men with ‘game’ or ‘red pill knowledge’.
I see two things.

women going for rich, successful men with muscles (‘archetypal alpha male’ by SOCIAL standards) - often in the context of flings since these men don’t need to commit. These men are confident as a byproduct of their social success. It’s real confidence, not red pill macho Andrew tate confidence.

or women settling down with beta, supplicating, loyal nice men. Often directly from their social circle, it’s as ‘authentic’ a relationship can be between a man and woman as they tend to meet naturally and have things in common socially (religion; race; goals etc)

People say … ‘well what about Elon musk? Or X billionaire who got divorced’ … yeah, the girl STILL F@cked him for X amount of years before she lost attraction. The girl was still levels above his smv. And guess who she ended up dating after him, another million/billionaire most likely.

the three main things women go for are MONEY, height and MUSCLES. Because; as mystery method pointed out - women are programmed to go for the tribal leader. Physical dominance and resources = tribal leader.

game helps you keep the girls that are already into you, and maintain relationships. But attracting woman is about either being a nice guy, or being socially affluent and in shape.

So how do YOU attract women with money? Any Examples?

 

[SW15]

I look around at my social circle. And I see ZERO girls in relationships with men with ‘game’ or ‘red pill knowledge’.
I see two things.

No one's social circle is a representative sample. I say this as a man who has devoted a popular thread to my own social circle (see thread below).

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www.sosuave.net

My primary social group is a somewhat representative sample of a urban, bougie Millennial social circle.

Due to the henpecked husbands/fathers in my primary social group over the years, I am now spending more time with men who I would not have considered primary friends in the past.

Nevertheless, any man would be able to make some valid observations based on things that happen within their own circles.

WOMEN VALUE MONEY.

women going for rich, successful men with muscles (‘archetypal alpha male’ by SOCIAL standards) - often in the context of flings since these men don’t need to commit. These men are confident as a byproduct of their social success. It’s real confidence, not red pill macho Andrew tate confidence.

the three main things women go for are MONEY, height and MUSCLES. Because; as mystery method pointed out - women are programmed to go for the tribal leader. Physical dominance and resources = tribal leader.

game helps you keep the girls that are already into you, and maintain relationships. But attracting woman is about either being a nice guy, or being socially affluent and in shape.

Looks and money matter most in attracting women. Height and muscles are a part of looks. Money doesn't matter much with 20 something women evaluating 20 something men for attraction. They are looking more for the guy with the hot body who gives them "all the feelz". Money matters more when a 20 something woman is considering a 30-35+ man or a 30 something woman is considering a similarly aged man.

Looks and money are the substitutes for a social circle. If a man doesn't have a viable social circle, he's going to need to demonstrate more in the way of looks and money to meet women by using either a tech-based method (swipe apps, Instagram DMs) or approaching strangers in-person (daygame, nightgame). Some social skills are needed at this point, but looks and money will carry a man more so than his pure social skills and his ability to master proxemics, kino escalation, and other psychological tactics.

or women settling down with beta, supplicating, loyal nice men. Often directly from their social circle, it’s as ‘authentic’ a relationship can be between a man and woman as they tend to meet naturally and have things in common socially (religion; race; goals etc)

Plenty of women do settle down with betas for a variety of reasons and also many men become more beta as relationship go on. A beta male will have a much easier time dating if he has a social circle capable of introductions. There are many betas that would be incel/borderline incel without their social circle, yet these betas are currently sitting in LTRs, often marriages.

Betas do have a much more difficult time in approaching strangers and tech-based game methods.

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

Millions of men, including your forefathers, and men from all around the world will tell you their experience.

WOMEN VALUE MONEY.
A few anonymous red pillers on random forums on the interwebs will tell you that women value ‘game’ and that game eclipses money.

well, I look around at my social circle. And I see ZERO girls in relationships with men with ‘game’ or ‘red pill knowledge’.
I see two things.

women going for rich, successful men with muscles (‘archetypal alpha male’ by SOCIAL standards) - often in the context of flings since these men don’t need to commit. These men are confident as a byproduct of their social success. It’s real confidence, not red pill macho Andrew tate confidence.

or women settling down with beta, supplicating, loyal nice men. Often directly from their social circle, it’s as ‘authentic’ a relationship can be between a man and woman as they tend to meet naturally and have things in common socially (religion; race; goals etc)

People say … ‘well what about Elon musk? Or X billionaire who got divorced’ … yeah, the girl STILL F@cked him for X amount of years before she lost attraction. The girl was still levels above his smv. And guess who she ended up dating after him, another million/billionaire most likely.

the three main things women go for are MONEY, height and MUSCLES. Because; as mystery method pointed out - women are programmed to go for the tribal leader. Physical dominance and resources = tribal leader.

game helps you keep the girls that are already into you, and maintain relationships. But attracting woman is about either being a nice guy, or being socially affluent and in shape.

WRONG

The three main things women go for are MONEY, HEIGHT and MUSCLES when a guy has nothing else to offer.

Someone skipped their helping of Jerry Springer.

I wish I could introduce you to my electrician. Dude is short, broke and skinny asf. Spends more money on drugs than food and smokes like an afterburner. He's been in and out of jail for dealing drugs his entire life. He now has a pretty serious disease. Women throw themselves at him... they STILL do. Dude has six or seven kids all from different women. He's got charm, he's funny as hell and just a riot to be around. He's always upbeat and cracking jokes. You want to hang out with him. My mom and dad hire him to change light bulbs in our house just to have him around. He's always got a story, always has something going on... always knockin somebody out. He and another guy stomped on some guy that was picking on me outside a nightclub back 20 years ago or so. These are the men that women want, not some six foot gym bro f4g with a Ferrari.

My cousin when she was bangin hot, left a tall, athletic customs GI JOE for a loser drug dealer who sliced her throat open. She still had a kid with him after. The cop? He got sidelined so hard he was suicidal. I have to say, the loser and I get on really well, he's a cool, fun dude to be around when he's not slingin meth.

How do you all have so many reaction points and not understand basic concepts of game?!? FFS, this entire forum is based on the principles of C0CK-E / FUN-E and yet all I see are these bs posts about retard-maxxing. GAME trumps ALL.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

A stereotypically attractive woman by social standards (eg in shape; blonde; young; slim; popular) is 9 times out of 10 going to go for a stereotypically attractive man by social standards (RICH, good looking, tall and jacked).

She may overlook some traits if others are maxed out to compensate

I don’t know why this is hard for people to understand.

Her default primary state and expectation is not to deviate from the norm. It’s to go for the guys she feels most comfortable being seen with.

the hotter girls are the most superficial with dating in the sense that they ‘reverse engineer’ attraction. Ie - there’s so few guys on their level, that they ‘logically’ pick good matches and then try to make it work. They think - he’s a great catch on paper; let me give him a shot. As opposed to being swayed by their emotions to him.

the more you CONFORM to social expectations of your gender; the GREATER your results in the dating game. This applies to both men and women. And money/power is a huge part of what makes a ‘desirable’ male by social standards in ALL culture. In fact every single culture in the world, from Africa to the West to Japan to the Middle East sees the rich and powerful man as the apex

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

A stereotypically attractive woman by social standards (eg in shape; blonde; young; slim; popular) is 9 times out of 10 going to go for a stereotypically attractive man by social standards (RICH, good looking, tall and jacked).

She may overlook some traits if others are maxed out to compensate

I don’t know why this is hard for people to understand.

Bro, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Have you ever ridden a motorcycle?

You know what, you are 30 y/o. I'm 240 lbs, 43 and not great looking. I could pull 30 chicks before you pull 1. You have a victim mentality, that chicks can see from orbit.

The chick that worships your wallet, will hide me under your ferrari because that's all you've got going for you. Even Bezos couldn't keep his wife around.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Bro, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Have you ever ridden a motorcycle?

You know what, you are 30 y/o. I'm 240 lbs, 43 and not great looking. I could pull 30 chicks before you pull 1. You have a victim mentality, that chicks can see from orbit.

dude I date 21 year old models.
You know what the guys they date have in common? Usually…6 figs, 6 pack, 6ft... or immense social proof (model/DJ/local athlete/musician/tiktok star/cool party guy)
We are in different worlds

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

dude I date 21 year old models.
You know what the guys they date have in common? Usually…6 figs, 6 pack, 6ft... or immense social proof (model/DJ/local athlete/musician/tiktok star/cool party guy)
We are in different worlds

Yeah yours is imagination land.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

So how do YOU attract women with money? Any Examples?

my lifestyle signals to women that I am superior to other men (tribal leader). So flaunting wealth mainly. I don’t spend it on them more than an average guy would. I just try to make my life look like a rapper would. Hotels vacations designer clothes condo fast cars etc. they assume you must be getting loads of women as a byproduct so it increases you perceived desirability and they want ‘in’, because you’re basically a celebrity upper class male in their eyes.
They wanna show you off to their friends and you AMOG their boyfriends if you’re seen as much more successful.
Ultimately you cannot erase millions of years of evolution. Women have always been biologically programmed to respond to wealth (and health) more than any other trigger because it’s the number 1 most useful thing when it comes to rearing children

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

my lifestyle signals to women that I am superior to other men (tribal leader). So flaunting wealth mainly. I don’t spend it on them more than an average guy would. I just try to make my life look like a rapper would. Hotels vacations designer clothes condo fast cars etc. they assume you must be getting loads of women as a byproduct so it increases you perceived desirability and they want ‘in’.
They wanna show you off to their friends

No they don't. They want to show your wallet off. You're one of those dudes who finds out the hard way.

Wait till you meet some real thugs homie.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

No they don't. They want to show your wallet off. You're one of those dudes who finds out the hard way.

you’re too emotional bro. Women don’t care about you. They don’t bond to you. They bond to your social value alone. Your game; your intricacies, your personality mean nothing.
Hence the guys getting the hottest girls in society are rappers, actors etc. Men of value are interchangeable to women. You serve a function, until you no longer do. You’re an archetype.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

No one's social circle is a representative sample. I say this as a man who has devoted a popular thread to my own social circle (see thread below).

Pregnancy Announcements Everywhere! Life When Your Blue Pill Social Circle Starts Having Babies

Yesterday, I was on my Instagram and saw a pregnancy announcement from an acquaintance's wife in my social circle. I don't particularly like her. I find it annoying to be around her the 1-2 times a year I ever randomly see her in person. Right now, there are 3 women from my local area social...

www.sosuave.net

My primary social group is a somewhat representative sample of a urban, bougie Millennial social circle.

Due to the henpecked husbands/fathers in my primary social group over the years, I am now spending more time with men who I would not have considered primary friends in the past.

Nevertheless, any man would be able to make some valid observations based on things that happen within their own circles.





Looks and money matter most in attracting women. Height and muscles are a part of looks. Money doesn't matter much with 20 something women evaluating 20 something men for attraction. They are looking more for the guy with the hot body who gives them "all the feelz". Money matters more when a 20 something woman is considering a 30-35+ man or a 30 something woman is considering a similarly aged man.

Looks and money are the substitutes for a social circle. If a man doesn't have a viable social circle, he's going to need to demonstrate more in the way of looks and money to meet women by using either a tech-based method (swipe apps, Instagram DMs) or approaching strangers in-person (daygame, nightgame). Some social skills are needed at this point, but looks and money will carry a man more so than his pure social skills and his ability to master proxemics, kino escalation, and other psychological tactics.



Plenty of women do settle down with betas for a variety of reasons and also many men become more beta as relationship go on. A beta male will have a much easier time dating if he has a social circle capable of introductions. There are many betas that would be incel/borderline incel without their social circle, yet these betas are currently sitting in LTRs, often marriages.

Betas do have a much more difficult time in approaching strangers and tech-based game methods.

The hot girls in their 20s want both the hot bod and the money/clout. It’s not an ‘either/or’.
Hot bod alone won’t get you the hot 20 year old girls (you may land ONE in a bf/gf context) but you won’t be getting laid like a king just cause you’re a good looking buff male. Good looking men are in abundance and good looking women have much more social value than good looking men (as tinder shows us).
So they go for the top 5% of men that have the ability to attract them physically and also potentially provide

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

you’re too emotional bro. Women don’t care about you. They don’t bond to you. They bond to your social value alone. Your game; your intricacies, your personality mean nothing.
Hence the guys getting the hottest girls in society are rappers, actors etc. Men of value are interchangeable to women. You serve a function, until you no longer do. You’re an archetype.

You know nothing Jon Snow.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

You know nothing Jon Snow.

LOL conventional wisdom understood by millions of men around the world (money + muscles = sex with the best women)…versus the wisdom of
‘game’ by BoomToTheMoonAlice

you’re right, we know nothing. You alone know the truth - and everyone else - spending hours at work and in the gym, is dumb.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

By the time a woman hits 20-21 she has had enough worldly experience and anecdotal experience from other women to understand that money will determine her future quality of life, that the party is about to stop and adult life is difficult without money, that a man’s sense of worth is intrinsically tied to his finances, and that men are essentially, from a practical standpoint, the same. So men become utilities. Youre the sex/fling guy, or you’re the guy she’s gonna try and settle down with. But the romance is gone. So they reverse engineer attraction.
If you’re good looking and rich, they will force themselves to like you or at least give you a shot.
if you’re broke; no matter how much they like you, they will make it harder and harder for anything to happen

if you don’t believe me, listen to any Nicki minaj/cardi b/the stallion song these girls are listening to and making #1.

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

By the time a woman hits 20-21 she has had enough worldly experience and anecdotal experience from other women to understand that money will determine her future quality of life, that the party is about to stop and adult life is difficult without money, that a man’s sense of worth is intrinsically tied to his finances, and that men are essentially, from a practical standpoint, the same. So men become utilities. Youre the sex/fling guy, or you’re the guy she’s gonna try and settle down with. But the romance is gone. So they reverse engineer attraction.
If you’re good looking and rich, they will force themselves to like you or at least give you a shot.
if you’re broke; no matter how much they like you, they will make it harder and harder for anything to happen

Do you even read what you write? Read that back to yourself.

While you do that, I'll just leave this right here, Warren Buffet.

Japanese Princess Marries Commoner, Gives Up Royal Status

Four-year engagement plagued by controversy, tabloid gossip

www.voanews.com

 

[BoomToTheMoonAlice]

if you don’t believe me, listen to any Nicki minaj/cardi b/the stallion song these girls are listening to and making #1.

You should stop listening to Hollyweird nonsense.

Apparently the heart wants what it wants:

Minaj began dating her childhood friend Kenneth Petty in December 2018, and after less than a year of dating, filed for a marriage license in August 2019.[196][197] She announced that they had officially married in October, hyphenating his last name to hers upon marriage.[198] In March 2020, Petty was entered into the California Megan's Law database after he was charged for failing to register as a sex offender after he relocated to California. Petty had been convicted of attempted rape in New York and had served nearly four years in prison for it.[199][200][201] For this new charge, he was sentenced to one year of house arrest and a fine of $55,000 USD in 2022.[202]

Actions speak louder than words... even for singers.

 

[Scars]

Looks > status > money