Any woman who makes you wait for sex, or by her actions implies she is making you wait for sex; the sex is NEVER worth the wait.

[self_is_an_illusion]

If you have a rotation/other options, let this kind of woman fight for your time.

She will change her tune or go bye bye.

If it's a very high value woman, you might have to put in a little time. 2-4 dates is sufficient. If things aren't sexually progressing by then, time to cut bait and move on.

I don't know why some people equate genuine desire, 'wanting something bad' with being reckless, jumping head first. Oh, if she first wants to know you better, make sure you're for real and not some guy faking it, then it means she doesn't really want you. How do you think she managed to finish high school as a virgin? Because she had enough brains (and probably good upbringing) for instance to meet several times with that jock she was physically attracted to and realize in reality he's an immature, self centered jerk.

Isn't every woman trying to delay the sex because she wants something more serious?

But look at the frame entering that type of relationship. You’re entering her frame, like a salesman trying to close the sale. It’ll always be like that for the rest of your relationship, versus finding some other women who will have sex with you right away and you can turn that into something more serious if you want.

 

[pipeman84]

But look at the frame entering that type of relationship. You’re entering her frame, like a salesman trying to close the sale. It’ll always be like that for the rest of your relationship, versus finding some other women who will have sex with you right away and you can turn that into something more serious if you want.

Let's get one thing clear first: women who have sex with your right away are either hookers or women with serious mental issues which make them very poor material for a relationship (at least if you want easy going, no drama). So you have to be clear with yourself what you're looking for before setting up dates. Guys will be like ... I want a serious relationship with a good girl; also the same guys ... sex within 3 dates or NEXT (one of Rollo's rules). Well I'm here to tell you that you can't have both.

 

[pipeman84]

And.... at that moment papiman left the forum.

I'm still here . I didn't answer that because it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

This is the typical incel thinks, if she makes you wait for sex she's quality, if she fvcked you within the first dates, she's a 304, with nothing in between, no grey areas, just black and white. That just tells me you have zero experience in dating and fvcking women, everything you post is regurgitating YouTube videos.

You're putting words in my mouth. Where did I ever say that a woman making you wait for sex automatically means she's quality? On the contrary, in my first post on this thread, I gave an example of an obnoxious harridan that makes guys wait for sex until they spend $2,000 on her.

 

[Solomon]

This is the typical incel thinks, if she makes you wait for sex she's quality, if she fvcked you within the first dates, she's a 304, with nothing in between, no grey areas, just black and white. That just tells me you have zero experience in dating and fvcking women, everything you post is regurgitating YouTube videos.

Not attacking @pipeman84 (this doesn't apply to him at all)but I thought of something I've seen recently

I've seen a huge movement on youtube and reddit with delusional "redpill" men who want women to be virgins and low body counts
Yet they want to be able to bang as many chicks as they can. Keep in mind most of these guys probably are young impressionable kids or delusional rp fanatics with no real life experience in the dating field. They deem cheating as "exercising your options" if you're a "High value man" however the reality is most guys will never be Bezos, Gates or Musk, the delusion with modern women is true but I'm also noticing it with modern men

 

[The Duke]

Not attacking @pipeman84 (this doesn't apply to him at all)but I thought of something I've seen recently

I've seen a huge movement on youtube and reddit with delusional "redpill" men who want women to be virgins and low body counts
Yet they want to be able to bang as many chicks as they can. Keep in mind most of these guys probably are young impressionable kids or delusional rp fanatics with no real life experience in the dating field. They deem cheating as "exercising your options" if you're a "High value man" however the reality is most guys will never be Bezos, Gates or Musk, the delusion with modern women is true but I'm also noticing it with modern men

It would be extremely hard to cheat if you were bezos,gates, or musk. The media is constantly stalking you

 

[Solomon]

It would be extremely hard to cheat if you were bezos,gates, or musk. The media is constantly stalking you

Elon cheated and no one knew, Bezos got caught up, we all remember how Bill Clinton did it in the 90s lol

 

[The Duke]

Let's get one thing clear first: women who have sex with your right away are either hookers or women with serious mental issues which make them very poor material for a relationship (at least if you want easy going, no drama). So you have to be clear with yourself what you're looking for before setting up dates. Guys will be like ... I want a serious relationship with a good girl; also the same guys ... sex within 3 dates or NEXT (one of Rollo's rules). Well I'm here to tell you that you can't have both.

You wouldn't say what you do if you had more experience. It's possible. I've done it.

 

[member162951]

I don't understand some of these responses.

On one hand, many of you claim if a chick is highly attracted, she will have sex immediately and not make you wait. On the other hand, a chick who has sex quickly is considered a hoe.

So which is it? A chick highly attracted or a hoe?

@soulforge created a thread that no one responded to linking the below video? It basically says the same, if a chick is highly attracted she won't be able to wait, let alone make "you" wait. She'll have sex on first, second or third date.

But again, according to most, when a woman chooses that path, they are considered hoes and not worthy of a relationship. It is assumed she has a high notch count which also deems her a hoe.

So which is it? And what in your collective opinions should a woman do if she seeks a long term committed relationship? Should she still have sex quickly and risk being seen by you as a hoe?

Fwiw, I think @pipeman84 makes fair points for this reason.

You can't have it both ways guys.

 

[Dr.Suave]

I want a serious relationship with a good girl; also the same guys ... sex within 3 dates or NEXT (one of Rollo's rules). Well I'm here to tell you that you can't have both.

You wouldn't say what you do if you had more experience. It's possible. I've done it.

Depends on you definitions of a what is a "good girl" and I dont think its 100% the same.

 

[pipeman84]

Depends on you definitions of a what is a "good girl" and I dont think its 100% the same.

Exactly. Two persons can look at the same situation and draw completely different conclusions. Let's use Rollo's marriage on which I wrote before: https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/the-rational-male-author-exposed.277973/post-3049815

 

[soulforge]

I don't understand some of these responses.

On one hand, many of you claim if a chick is highly attracted, she will have sex immediately and not make you wait. On the other hand, a chick who has sex quickly is considered a hoe.

So which is it? A chick highly attracted or a hoe?

@soulforge created a thread that no one responded to linking the below video? It basically says the same, if a chick is highly attracted she won't be able to wait, let alone make "you" wait. She'll have sex on first, second or third date.

But again, according to most, when a woman chooses that path, they are considered hoes and not worthy of a relationship. It is assumed she has a high notch count which also deems her a hoe.

So which is it? And what in your collective opinions should a woman do if she seeks a long term committed relationship? Should she still have sex quickly and risk being seen by you as a hoe?

Fwiw, I think @pipeman84 makes fair points for this reason.

You can't have it both ways guys.

I personally don't care about a girl having sex with you on the first date.. If she is highly attracted to you, chance are, she doesn't want to lose the opportunity of locking you down, and usually she thinks, she might be able to do that by having sex with you, sooner than later.

What I do care about though is, body count.

If she has a high body count, well she is going to struggle to pair bond.

 

[member162951]

I personally don't care about a girl having sex with you on the first date.. If she is highly attracted to you, chance are, she doesn't want to lose the opportunity of locking you down, and usually she thinks, she might be able to do that by having sex with you, sooner than later.

What I do care about though is, body count.

If she has a high body count, well she is going to struggle to pair bond.

But how do you reconcile those two things in your mind? IOW, if a chick is having early sex with you, would you not assume she's had early sex with other men as well, giving her a fairly high notch count? Assuming she's over the age of 20 and not a virgin?

 

[soulforge]

But how do you reconcile those two things in your mind? IOW, if a chick is having early sex with you, would you not assume she's had early sex with other men as well, giving her a fairly high notch count? If she's over the age of 20 and not a virgin?

I wouldn't know, because I never ask them about the body count.

If she's 30 and above age wise, it's likely her body count is high. However I would have to consider certain things such as, maybe she was in two very long relationships from a relatively young age.

However I have dealt with some chicks who have openly told me there body count without me even asking and had a history of going on nights out, clubs bars etc.. It's safe to assume those chicks have likely had lots of casual sex.. Those chicks would likely not get take seriously by me,

 

[Glassguy]

But look at the frame entering that type of relationship. You’re entering her frame, like a salesman trying to close the sale. It’ll always be like that for the rest of your relationship, versus finding some other women who will have sex with you right away and you can turn that into something more serious if you want.

If I'm seeing/banging 3 chicks in my rotation do you think chick #4 that is "making me wait" is really getting much of my attention? Come on dude.
At that point she can pursue me (and when chicks pursue they give up the goods rather quickly) or she can go down the road. Cause I have 3 other viable options that will come over and bang it out.

Those playing are on the field. The others are on the bench or go find another team.

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

I don't understand some of these responses.

On one hand, many of you claim if a chick is highly attracted, she will have sex immediately and not make you wait. On the other hand, a chick who has sex quickly is considered a hoe.

So which is it? A chick highly attracted or a hoe?

@soulforge created a thread that no one responded to linking the below video? It basically says the same, if a chick is highly attracted she won't be able to wait, let alone make "you" wait. She'll have sex on first, second or third date.

But again, according to most, when a woman chooses that path, they are considered hoes and not worthy of a relationship. It is assumed she has a high notch count which also deems her a hoe.

So which is it? And what in your collective opinions should a woman do if she seeks a long term committed relationship? Should she still have sex quickly and risk being seen by you as a hoe?

Fwiw, I think @pipeman84 makes fair points for this reason.

You can't have it both ways guys.

This contradiction reflects a double standard where women’s sexual choices are scrutinized and often judged more harshly than men’s.

Women are judged more harshly than men for having multiple sexual partners or engaging in various sexual activities due to a pervasive sexual double standard that exists in society. This double standard rewards and praises men for heterosexual sexual contacts while derogating and stigmatizing women for similar behaviors . This discrimination is a form of sexism that leads society to judge women more quickly, negatively, and severely . Men who have many sexual partners may be positively termed “studs,” while women are negatively labeled as “sluts” or other derogatory terms

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

And in other news: Water is wet.

This contradiction reflects a double standard where women’s sexual choices are scrutinized and often judged more harshly than men’s.

Women are judged more harshly than men for having multiple sexual partners or engaging in various sexual activities due to a pervasive sexual double standard that exists in society. This double standard rewards and praises men for heterosexual sexual contacts while derogating and stigmatizing women for similar behaviors . This discrimination is a form of sexism that leads society to judge women more quickly, negatively, and severely . Men who have many sexual partners may be positively termed “studs,” while women are negatively labeled as “sluts” or other derogatory terms

 

[Dr.Suave]

This contradiction reflects a double standard where women’s sexual choices are scrutinized and often judged more harshly than men’s.

Women are judged more harshly than men for having multiple sexual partners or engaging in various sexual activities due to a pervasive sexual double standard that exists in society. This double standard rewards and praises men for heterosexual sexual contacts while derogating and stigmatizing women for similar behaviors . This discrimination is a form of sexism that leads society to judge women more quickly, negatively, and severely . Men who have many sexual partners may be positively termed “studs,” while women are negatively labeled as “sluts” or other derogatory terms

Its not a double standard, its a different standard. Average women can have sex whenever they want. Men have to earn it through working in increasing their SMV. Women are born with their value, men have to earn it. So its not a double standard, its a different standard. A key that opens all locks is a Master Key but a lock that opens with any key is useless.

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

The only thing you failed to mention is that you're a Male Feminist.

It is a double standard, no matter how much you scream in the skies and whine how unfair it is, you're not gonna change men. It is the same double standard that women don't pay in the club entrance before 10pm, the same same discrimination as if you have a child you want the baby sitter to be female and not a male.

So yeah, before you go and cry in a corner, life is unfair and full of double standards and no self respected guy wants to have a ho3 as a girlfriend.

im just saying what I think is true. I’m not saying it’s good or bad

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

It really does depend. I've had women make me wait til the third date, or whatever, and it was totally worth the wait. However if they are making all kinds of demands or making you wait forever it makes the entire thing seem very transactional which eliminates all of the attraction for me. I can assure you that any woman who does this to you has plenty of men out there she would bang, no questions asked, immediately so if you are getting the run around it's a sign of low interest or that they are going to take you for a ride like a chump.

step off the ride broooooo

 

[MatureDJ]

It's OVER for WaitingForSexCels.