Short Men: Why Women Aren't Attracted Enough to Date Them

[BadBoy89]

Short men have to deal with an enormous stigma when it comes to romance.

• Research has widely established that women prefer tall men to short men.
• Women being more attracted to "bad boys" may contribute to the stigma around short men, if those men are perceived as physically weaker.
• One study found that women were least attracted to smiling, happy men, preferring those who looked proud and powerful or moody and ashamed.

Short Men: Why Women Aren't Attracted Enough to Date Them

It's unfair—and illogical—how women and gay men scorn short men as prospective romantic and sexual partners.

www.psychologytoday.com

It's true that some women are sexually attracted and open to dating short men, but a quick poll of your friends—or any group of adults, for that matter—will quickly confirm just how stigmatized short men are in our culture. For reasons that betray logic, short men get the you-know-which end of the stick and are ostracized when it comes to partner selection.

Having heard short male clients of mine complain about their jeopardized status in the dating pool, I can speak for at least some of them when I say that short men believe that women see them as less than or deficient, as if models pulled off an assembly line because they don’t measure up to the others. If we conceptualize the dynamic along a continuum of developmental stages, it’s as if some women see short men as awkward teens stunted in time, desperate at a school dance and relegated to the side wall.

In short, it seems that somehow short men aren’t perceived as real men.

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Thoughts?

 

[SW15]

It's not just short men. Even average height man can feel that things aren't great.

In the USA, White women are seeking 6'0"+ men, and also want some other attributes besides height.

Female abundance fuels this.

 

[The Duke]

They will just have to compensate in other areas or find women that don't care.

Tom Cruise is 5'7". I realized he has mega status, but in the world he swims in, I bet there are high status women that chose not to date him based on his height.

I've been rejected because I'm 5'10".

That's fine with me. I reject women with small b00bs.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

The article goes at length about the Evo psych behind the preference for taller men: feeling safe against perceived threats.

I’m just short of 5’10”, I carry a considerable amount of lean mass and have dropped my share of 6’2” mfers in my time, I’m a combat vet and I’m scrappy af.

Chances are that a lanky 6’4” mfer would crap his drawers in situations I’d walk out of nearly unscathed. This is why I date intelligent chicks - they know instinctively that I’d f some shyte up if necessary.

But that’s a platitude if dating many women because they don’t get to know these things about me until I get closer to them.

That said 3 of my rotations are taller than me, not by much but they do not care, because they’re smart and know me. I’ve actually over the years talked to women at length about taller guys etc. to a woman they’ve all said things like “but you don’t “feel” short”, “yeah but no one has ever manhandled me the way you can”, “I know you’d protect me like few men can” or some such thing. I’ve also dated 6’ tall women.

In short (full pun intended), for dating it sucks first impression being everything. In the longer term I easily compensate.

Life isn’t fair, we play the hand we are dealt. The Universe owes us nothing,
And meek shall inherit nothing.

 

[Bokanovsky]

In the USA, White women are seeking 6'0"+ men, and also want some other attributes besides height.

Average height for white males in North America and Europe is close to 6'.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If you are short & not handsome. It is probably over. In my experience, Face>>>Height. But the vast, vast majority of men are not handsome.

What’s so weird is reading articles like this (there are plenty) and, though I’m short, I simply can’t relate. Having a good face has saved me from the struggle & likely inceldom that would have been my lot if I had even a 6/10 face.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The article goes at length about the Evo psych behind the preference for taller men:

Whatever. Evo psych explains why 2/3's of western society can't stop stuffing their pie holes long enough to not be obese.

If you want to find an excuse to stay out the game, you'll find it.

Ignore all this "woe is me" hamster feeding sh*t.

 

[Bingo-Player]

This was never a thing before reality tv and instagram though 10-15 years ago height was just a bonus attribute in a guy

Something changed around 2015 started noticing more and more women and pages online talking about how they want " 6FT PLUS" and a lot of women on reality tv demanding the same thing

Women are easily led by nature and if another woman wants 6ft + then she wants 6ft + even if she previously wasn't that bothered about it before

I do feel these days some women will instantly disqualify you just because you aren't 6ft which is fvcking mental

but then I instantly disqualify overweight women and women who don't make my d1ck hard so I guess its all the same

 

[I_have_BDE]

This was never a thing before reality tv and instagram though 10-15 years ago height was just a bonus attribute in a guy

Something changed around 2015 started noticing more and more women and pages online talking about how they want " 6FT PLUS" and a lot of women on reality tv demanding the same thing

Women are easily led by nature and if another woman wants 6ft + then she wants 6ft + even if she previously wasn't that bothered about it before

I do feel these days some women will instantly disqualify you just because you aren't 6ft which is fvcking mental

but then I instantly disqualify overweight women and women who don't make my d1ck hard so I guess its all the same

What's going to happen if the masses say you need a guy over 6-5?

 

[corrector]

If you are short & not handsome. It is probably over. In my experience, Face>>>Height. But the vast, vast majority of men are not handsome.

What’s so weird is reading articles like this (there are plenty) and, though I’m short, I simply can’t relate. Having a good face has saved me from the struggle & likely inceldom that would have been my lot if I had even a 6/10 face.

This. Another cope thread.

 

[Slowhandluke]

What's going to happen if the masses say you need a guy over 6-5?

During ww2, the average height of the typical soldier was 5'8". During the Renaissance was probably 5'6".

It's not about total height, it's about height relative to other men in the same time period. The 10%'ers.. average women, want only the "best" men while in the past, they were OK with going out and dating average men.

 

[soulforge]

Godamn! I'm 5ft8 bald but in Very good shape. Big muscular build, I do not look weak.

Guess it's game over for me lol

 

[Ricky]

I got ****blocked by an older and much less attractive but taller guy tonight. The woman who i had met in the running group was probably barely over 5ft tall. I wasnt super interested in her but the taller guy clearly was. He was quite tall easily 6ft 5 (one of my brothers is this tall). I am 5ft 10

i think in his younger days he was used to doing that. I walked away and flirted with the younger and much cuter girl in the group and this woman and the older guy noticed.

 

[BadBoy89]

If you want to find an excuse to stay out the game, you'll find it.

Ignore all this "woe is me" hamster feeding sh*t.

It is the preferences of females, we are posting female opinions, Lots of men here have been rejected because of their height.

To counter the point, you could find some articles that say “most females like shorter men” and then a debate could be had about it. But to say “if you want to find an excuse, you’ll find it.” without giving any reason why females or the article is wrong, you are forcing your opinion.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I acknowledge it as an issue, but when I do here, I provide proof that it can often be overcome, not always but it can be. Today I saw a little spinner online that was a tasty little morsel, 4'11" saying categorically no men under 6'0. Happens.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I’m to the point that any guy that uses his height as an excuse is labeled an automatic incel.

 

[typical]

The article goes at length about the Evo psych behind the preference for taller men: feeling safe against perceived threats.

I’m just short of 5’10”, I carry a considerable amount of lean mass and have dropped my share of 6’2” mfers in my time, I’m a combat vet and I’m scrappy af.

Chances are that a lanky 6’4” mfer would crap his drawers in situations I’d walk out of nearly unscathed. This is why I date intelligent chicks - they know instinctively that I’d f some shyte up if necessary.

Life isn’t fair, we play the hand we are dealt. The Universe owes us nothing,
And meek shall inherit nothing.

1) 5'10" or just under isn't short at all. It's just on the cusp of what I'd say is tall. Short is like 5'7" and below, there's a marked difference that you can see.

2) You're a combat vet and most likely look the part and probably have the attitude that goes along with that, I've met M/Fs like you. There is a difference in "Athletic/Social Alpha" and "I've killed people Alpha"

like you said the meek shall inherit nothing, the whole short/fat/bald/rich/ugly "excuses" that are used by people are just that excuses stopping people from improving the traits they are good at.

Some of these lads need to do a simple SWOT analysis on themselves.
Increase your Strengths,
Minimise your Weaknesses,
Maximise your Opportunities
and Eliminate Threats !!!

 

[Slowhandluke]

Some of these lads need to do a simple SWOT analysis on themselves.
Increase your Strengths,
Minimise your Weaknesses,
Maximise your Opportunities
and Eliminate Threats !!!

You can do all of that, but if you still aren't in the top 10% of men, it doesn't matter.

It's like telling average women to dress better, act more sexy, be more "attractive". If they do all of this, they will get an exclusive LTR with the top 10% of men. Sorry average girls, the top ten percent of men are usually reserved for the top 10% of women. Collectively, nothing that the average woman can do will make the majority of them have LTR with the top 10% of men. Its mathematical impossible. It's a zero sum game. The average woman will lose. Same with the average man.

Granted some "average" man can break through and become part of the top 10% of men, but then another man must leave the top 10% of men category. Zero sum game where collectively trying to be better does not improve the whole segment of average men.

You basically will have the same number of "winners and losers".

 

[manfrombelow]

The truth is, at the end of the day, given almost the same attributes in terms of wealth, health, facial attractiveness, charm, sense of humor... etc... a 6 feet guy would easily outshadow a 5'5 guy any day. Women are biologically wired to get attracted to tall guys, and nothing's gonna change that. That's why we have Game. If a 6 feet guy acted like a dork, then a 5'5 guy with Game would get the pvssy.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Short men have to deal with an enormous stigma when it comes to romance.

• Research has widely established that women prefer tall men to short men.
• Women being more attracted to "bad boys" may contribute to the stigma around short men, if those men are perceived as physically weaker.
• One study found that women were least attracted to smiling, happy men, preferring those who looked proud and powerful or moody and ashamed.

Maybe it's time to stop reading psychology today magazine. I have no idea how they research something, but this is just filler for their fodder. Maybe it's time to remember that it's not in PTM's interest to actually educate you about psychology, but they're mostly concerned with advertisement revenue, so they regurgitate anxiety inducing devaluation articles that are detrimental to fragile egos.

Women like men to be men, not boys.
If you're between 5'7-5'9 and you're worried about your height, you will look like a little boy to them, if you're under 5'7 and you don't give a sh1t, women will see you as a man.

Pierce is a bad man to cross and I doubt if any woman would consider him a 'boy' despite his height being under the desired 6'0. I have a friend who is an actual midget, he slays because he's a man and not a child. His size doesn't bother him.

I'm sure if all is equal, the taller man would be more attractive to superficial women, but taller doesn't mean stronger or more capable to protect a woman.

• One study found that women were least attracted to smiling, happy men, preferring those who looked proud and powerful or moody and ashamed.

I don't know how they researched this, but I can tell you that women are never attracted to men who look ashamed. As to 'least attracted to a smiling happy man', I don't know how they measured that because there's a difference between a goofy smile and a muted smile that shows inner amusement. Moody? If you look down and depressed or sad and pissed off, it doesn't radiate attraction.

Women are attracted to men who have sorted themselves and know their value, regardless of their appearance.