Promiscuity and Pair Bonding

[soulforge]

Advice from the old lady:

It’s all over the place really. I know women (including my first husband’s mother) who only had one partner, her husband, was tragically widowed in her 30s. She was utterly unable to pair bond ever again and was the real definition of an alpha widow. She lost her virginity on her wedding night and after her husband (a fighter pilot & instructor) died she never had sex again. She was courted by a physician for about 3 years in her 40s but dropped the guy. Why? No one was ever going to measure up to her late husband.

My mother never had a single date after she and my dad divorced (and she had offers). Not all women are good time Sallies.

My son is dating a woman who is 20. He’s 21. She lost her virginity to him, has only ever been with him, and I expect will marry and “do life” together.

My 18 yo daughter has a LTR since her junior year in HS, they’ve been together now approaching 2 years. They too seem to be going in a life partner direction so far (it’s early yet). I know at least 10 couples who married as high school sweethearts and are still happy & together decades & several children later.

The 20 year old with 20 partners? A w h o r e to be sure. I didn’t lose my V card until 20 ffs.

Pair bonding ability also deteriorates for men who are promiscuous, it not only something that affects women. There are articles in psychological literature about that.

I know socially as acquaintances a couple of women who have slept with hundreds of men. It yuks me out and I do not closely associate with those women. Funny enough at least two who I know are now celibate in their 50s. They do not care about sex. Two others remain town bicycles and I find that gross.

The celibate 2 have never been married. The town bicycle 2 were both in 20+ year marriages and went hard core 304 post divorce. Those two are both pretty but very insecure and are both approaching 60! It’s sad honestly. These later 2 think that sex is going to capture a man. Nope. Doesn’t work that way, not with experienced men or high value men.

But I know some male player types who are perpetually spinning plates but lonely and unfulfilled too. They can’t pair bond for shjt either.

Cuts both ways.

Cuts both ways.

I think it's safe to conclude, the more sexual partners you have, the probility of pair bonding goes down significantly.

I would say this effects women more than men, simply because women experience sex with a man in a different way.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Advice from the old lady:

It’s all over the place really. I know women (including my first husband’s mother) who only had one partner, her husband, was tragically widowed in her 30s. She was utterly unable to pair bond ever again and was the real definition of an alpha widow. She lost her virginity on her wedding night and after her husband (a fighter pilot & instructor) died she never had sex again. She was courted by a physician for about 3 years in her 40s but dropped the guy. Why? No one was ever going to measure up to her late husband.

My mother never had a single date after she and my dad divorced (and she had offers). Not all women are good time Sallies.

My son is dating a woman who is 20. He’s 21. She lost her virginity to him, has only ever been with him, and I expect will marry and “do life” together.

My 18 yo daughter has a LTR since her junior year in HS, they’ve been together now approaching 2 years. They too seem to be going in a life partner direction so far (it’s early yet). I know at least 10 couples who married as high school sweethearts and are still happy & together decades & several children later.

The 20 year old with 20 partners? A w h o r e to be sure. I didn’t lose my V card until 20 ffs.

Pair bonding ability also deteriorates for men who are promiscuous, it not only something that affects women. There are articles in psychological literature about that.

I know socially as acquaintances a couple of women who have slept with hundreds of men. It yuks me out and I do not closely associate with those women. Funny enough at least two who I know are now celibate in their 50s. They do not care about sex. Two others remain town bicycles and I find that gross.

The celibate 2 have never been married. The town bicycle 2 were both in 20+ year marriages and went hard core 304 post divorce. Those two are both pretty but very insecure and are both approaching 60! It’s sad honestly. These later 2 think that sex is going to capture a man. Nope. Doesn’t work that way, not with experienced men or high value men.

But I know some male player types who are perpetually spinning plates but lonely and unfulfilled too. They can’t pair bond for shjt either.

Cuts both ways.

Like a lot of comments, this sounds predicated on the idea that pair bonding is a universal net positive. Not everyone wants it. Promiscuity is not necessarily bad either and I'm curious why that characteristic alone "yuks" you.

My take is that sosuavers complain about solipsism in women but go full solipsist when values don't conform with their own. Pair bonding is a morally neutral concept IMO.

 

[BeExcellent]

Like a lot of comments, this sounds predicated on the idea that pair bonding is a universal net positive. Not everyone wants it. Promiscuity is not necessarily bad either and I'm curious why that characteristic alone "yuks" you.

My take is that sosuavers complain about solipsism in women but go full solipsist when values don't conform with their own. Pair bonding is a morally neutral concept IMO.

That’s fair. I’m yuck’d out because of the exposure to STDs, and the fact is the girls think that being easy will get them a relationship. It won’t. You should hear the way men talk about them and swap stories about sex with these girls. THAT is sad and gross.

I don’t judge them nor do I care. I’m close friends with players who have slept with them.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Pair bonding is a morally neutral concept IMO.

Disagree.

Without monogamous pair bonding, society collapses.

But then again, one could argue that the collapse of society is a morally neutral concept.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

This is also a regurgitation of old well known red pill ideaology. It is rooted as far back as 1980 in the first rumblings of Evolutionary Psychology.

Again, there is nothing new under the sun, except millennials and younger people trying to rewrite old wisdom and attribute itself to themselves…

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Without monogamous pair bonding, society collapses.

You discovered my reasons for polyamory and ethical non-monogamy.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Disagree.

Without monogamous pair bonding, society collapses.

But then again, one could argue that the collapse of society is a morally neutral concept.

Well, we know that throughout history, 100% pure monogamy is rare and often exists through threat of force. Society has gotten by.

 

[Solomon]

Wtf felllas.

Y'all be talking like a bodycount of 20 is out of the ordinary hahaha.

WAKE UP. Its 2023, not 1990. 20 is a number most women willl have way before they hit 20.

Unbelievable that even on a niche forum dedicated to study women and game , men are yet this naive.

20 boyfriends ya mean? Ah ,oke. Thats more realistic. A 27 y.o woman with 20 bfs means she's been dating since she's 15(REALITY) and had some "typical 3 months stints " some longer ltrs.

I've slept with WAY more than 20 women. As a Caribbean black dude in a predominantly white country. Let alone the damage a blonde hb8,5 woman can do , even if she doesn't want to.

Stop making a fool out of yourselfs and the entire community .

I reckon 50-75% of men aren't dealing with women in the real world(on this forum) I would even go so far to say that 80-90% only deal with women on dating apps and have no social circle

What's my point?

My point ties in with yours that you have a lot of guys who are naive living in the delusion that Blonde HB8.5 who is 25 years old has already had multiple relationships, probably been pumped and dumped by a man of high status, has a 20+ body count and still can get the man that she wants.

Look at Logan Paul's fiance she was with Leonardo da EFFEN Caprio and she still got Logan to bend the knee!

 

[Solomon]

This is true. Expecting a low body count woman in 2023 is honestly delusional.

We simply need to adapt to the current dating market space.

It is what it is.

Just watch these Redpill podcasts and read the comments when the body count conversation comes up "no hymen no diamond" and " she better be a virgin" unless you are solely dealing with women of God, Amish, Mormon or a niche community you're not finding no damn virgins on Tinder or at the club

These incels sound delusional and clearly have not gone outside lmfaooo

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Yup and then they woke up.

 

[pipeman84]

What's my point?

My point ties in with yours that you have a lot of guys who are naive living in the delusion that Blonde HB8.5 who is 25 years old has already had multiple relationships, probably been pumped and dumped by a man of high status, has a 20+ body count and still can get the man that she wants.

Look at Logan Paul's fiance she was with Leonardo da EFFEN Caprio and she still got Logan to bend the knee!

I don't see any issue here ... it's no secret that she's a hoe, she's on record saying she sucked dyck in a stadium full of people. Logan Paul is making a fully informed choice. One could have sympathy for the guy if she had presented herself as being a virgin, trying to hide her past. Fun fact, she's from Denmark, just like Brigitte Nielsen who married Stallone for a year or so in the mid 80s and really messed him up. But again, he knew who he was dealing with, she was a single mom who had left her kid and husband back in Denmark looking for fame in the US.

 

[kavi]

'Bonding' is just a function of harmonizing vibes between a man and a woman. Men have stronger vibes (vibrations) than woman, so the male vibe is more important for whether bonding (synchonization) occurs or not. Infact, females can 'bond' quite easily with men as long the men can produce the correct vibes.

The problem with female promiscuity is the following. We have to acknowledge that in our current world men who get laid alot tend to produce 'bad' vibes. This is because of the underlying dis-harmony between a man being a good man and a men getting laid a lot, in our current social configuration. In our current world, a good man is supposed to commit to one woman and be monogamous.

So, our current social configuration allows men with bad vibes to get laid more than men with good vibes. Lying, being a player, being sleazy, being immature, acting dumb instead of intelligent, not caring about wider social and moral issues, not building long term structures or complexity, are all characteristics of men who got laid more than others in this our current social configuration.

The Theory of Resonant Frequencies can be applied to ALL systems, to physics, or to human social configurations.

Women with more bodycounts are surely sleeping with guys with 'bad vibes'. This means they are also picking, learning, and harmoniziing or synchronizing with this vibes. They are sleeping with emtpy, narcissistic, unstable and immoral men, and so are becoming more of than themselves.

This is why women with high bodycounts exhibit those traits. Those traits aligned with instability can cause problems with pair bonding, but it can be resolved or fixed, a strong vibe from a man can fix issues in women, but it can hurt the mans vibe to be around those women.

We all absorb vibes from people around us. The world consists of good (productive) vibes and bad (unproductive) vibes. In todays world there are more bad vibes than normal due to certain factors but that should be reducing very quickly now. Even if the bad vibes reduce in the world, there is a still a big store of bad vibes whcih is in the hearts of women, which are the bad vibes they have absorbed from different types of interactions with the world, because women are much more capable than men of absorbing all types of vibes. So at the momen have alot of bad vibes that hidden deep in their souls such as ego, narcissism and instability, the problem is they will hide those vibes, even try to protect them, as all internalised vibes become part of oneself and they do not easily want to be let go of.

 

[soulforge]

'Bonding' is just a function of harmonizing vibes between a man and a woman. Men have stronger vibes (vibrations) than woman, so the male vibe is more important for whether bonding (synchonization) occurs or not. Infact, females can 'bond' quite easily with men as long the men can produce the correct vibes.

The problem with female promiscuity is the following. We have to acknowledge that in our current world men who get laid alot tend to produce 'bad' vibes. This is because of the underlying dis-harmony between a man being a good man and a men getting laid a lot, in our current social configuration. In our current world, a good man is supposed to commit to one woman and be monogamous.

So, our current social configuration allows men with bad vibes to get laid more than men with good vibes. Lying, being a player, being sleazy, being immature, acting dumb instead of intelligent, not caring about wider social and moral issues, not building long term structures or complexity, are all characteristics of men who got laid more than others in this our current social configuration.

The Theory of Resonant Frequencies can be applied to ALL systems, to physics, or to human social configurations.

Women with more bodycounts are surely sleeping with guys with 'bad vibes'. This means they are also picking, learning, and harmoniziing or synchronizing with this vibes. They are sleeping with emtpy, narcissistic, unstable and immoral men, and so are becoming more of than themselves.

This is why women with high bodycounts exhibit those traits. Those traits aligned with instability can cause problems with pair bonding, but it can be resolved or fixed, a strong vibe from a man can fix issues in women, but it can hurt the mans vibe to be around those women.

We all absorb vibes from people around us. The world consists of good (productive) vibes and bad (unproductive) vibes. In todays world there are more bad vibes than normal due to certain factors but that should be reducing very quickly now. Even if the bad vibes reduce in the world, there is a still a big store of bad vibes whcih is in the hearts of women, which are the bad vibes they have absorbed from different types of interactions with the world, because women are much more capable than men of absorbing all types of vibes. So at the momen have alot of bad vibes that hidden deep in their souls such as ego, narcissism and instability, the problem is they will hide those vibes, even try to protect them, as all internalised vibes become part of oneself and they do not easily want to be let go of.

Excellent post my friend and makes total sense.

These chicks are being imprinted by a variety of men.

Drug dealers, alcoholics, Narcissists, serial daters, abusers.

You cannot tell me that exposure to this kind of energy does not ruin a woman!

They become who they lay down with.

Some of these men are introducing them to fetishes, threesomes, MMF, bondage etc etc

Godamn right it ruins them & then there is the inevitable heart break

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

The issue with high numbers and pair bonding in my opinion has a particular reason which is her COMPARING you to the strongest points of all her previous lovers.

If she got a rich guy she will compare the life style she got from him with the one you can provide, if she got nailed from a poor jobless guy but with a horse size d1ck then she will compare your d1ck to his...you got what I mean.

She is not used to a guy better than you overall but she is used to different guy who each overtake you in one particular item.

Now I understand in this forum everyone is 7 feet tall, looks like a mens physique model, has a net worth of many millions and is a part navy seals but me personally I'm not therefore I have to consider all these things before getting into a LTR.

At some point I would rather rely on a pure BUSINESS agreement where she wants a family and kids while I get stability and my social needs met with low effort.

What I find a great indicator to evaluate a woman is what kind of man her father was/is and what rules she had at home, that's a great indicator of her mental patterns.

 

[soulforge]

The issue with high numbers and pair bonding in my opinion has a particular reason which is her COMPARING you to the strongest points of all her previous lovers.

If she got a rich guy she will compare the life style she got from him with the one you can provide, if she got nailed from a poor jobless guy but with a horse size d1ck then she will compare your d1ck to his...you got what I mean.

She is not used to a guy better than you overall but she is used to different guy who each overtake you in one particular item.

Now I understand in this forum everyone is 7 feet tall, looks like a mens physique model, has a net worth of many millions and is a part navy seals but me personally I'm not therefore I have to consider all these things before getting into a LTR.

At some point I would rather rely on a pure BUSINESS agreement where she wants a family and kids while I get stability and my social needs met with low effort.

What I find a great indicator to evaluate a woman is what kind of man her father was/is and what rules she had at home, that's a great indicator of her mental patterns.

And if she didn't have a father, raised by a single mother... Best move on.

 

[The Duke]

My ex told me her body count without me even asking, just in a conversation.

10 bodies, age 24... You can bet your azz that more like 18 bodies.

They don't count the random blow jobs, the odd one night stand.

If this was your last ex, you should have never got attached to her. There's a reason no dudes stuck with her. A guy with half a brain doesn't just toss a hot girl that behaves well out with the trash.

 

[soulforge]

If this was your last ex, you should have never got attached to her. There's a reason no dudes stuck with her. A guy with half a brain doesn't just toss a hot girl that behaves well out with the trash.

Facts bro.. Good quality young chicks, who happen to be healthy, get wifed up real quick.

 

[The Duke]

While you guys debate the acceptable body count, here is one thing we all pretty much agree on.

When it comes to solid relationship material, Virgins or women close to it are assigned great value. Wh0res have zero value.

So tell me again body count doesn't matter.

 

[soulforge]

While you guys debate the acceptable body count, here is one thing we all pretty much agree on.

When it comes to solid relationship material, Virgins or women close to it are assigned great value. Wh0res have zero value.

So tell me again body count doesn't matter.

Facts!

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

While you guys debate the acceptable body count, here is one thing we all pretty much agree on.

When it comes to solid relationship material, Virgins or women close to it are assigned great value. Wh0res have zero value.

So tell me again body count doesn't matter.

I get it, women are either virgins or pr0stitutes. There's nothing in between.