No real motivation to meet/date girls anymore

[CornbreadFed]

That doesn't fundamentally do anything for the problems I've described

It gets you more matches on the apps and puts you in closer proximity to places those younger women frequent. Not only do women have a strict 5-10 mile radius restriction on the apps, but you are also competing against guys that live downtown too. Unless you are in a social circle, suburbs are pvssy deserts for men.

 

[SW15]

As for joining another gym I'm not willing to spend additional monies in doing so, and commercial gyms don't have good facilities for the kind of training I do. Furthermore I feel weird about the prospect of being a member of another gym with the main purpose of potentially meeting women. Women would be able to sense that's what I would be doing if I'm going to the same gym and chatting the women up like that. This in turn would turn them off or make them suspicious of me.

False. You can join a 2nd gym for pickup purposes or occasionally visit a fitness facility via ClassPass. I've done it and never been questioned about it,

It gets you more matches on the apps and puts you in closer proximity to places those younger women frequent. Not only do women have a strict 5-10 mile radius restriction on the apps, but you are also competing against guys that live downtown too.

True

 

[CornbreadFed]

False. You can join a 2nd gym for pickup purposes or occasionally visit a fitness facility via ClassPass. I've done it and never been questioned about it,

Gyms are about the only places in the suburb you can find younger women out and about.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

It gets you more matches on the apps and puts you in closer proximity to places those younger women frequent. Not only do women have a strict 5-10 mile radius restriction on the apps, but you are also competing against guys that live downtown too. Unless you are in a social circle, suburbs are pvssy deserts for men.

I don't really want to live in a really urbanized area tho, not as chill

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Gyms are about the only places in the suburb you can find younger women out and about.

Maybe but most of the time people really advise against approaching at the gym. But if I approached a girl anywhere irl I would just feel like I'm bothering her. Most women would not be receptive to an approach I make, I can't really see cold approach working for me in any scenario

 

[SW15]

Gyms are about the only places in the suburb you can find younger women out and about.

I would imagine a lot of suburban gyms would be married women.

Urban gyms would have more unmarried women but many of the unmarried women have boyfriends and are not seeking new penis.

Urban gyms are the better gym choice.

I can't really see cold approach working for me in any scenario

You are the problem. Your attitude stinks. You are resistant to making the necessary changes. What you're doing isn't working so you need to shake things up and do something different.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

I would imagine a lot of suburban gyms would be married women.

Urban gyms would have more unmarried women but many of the unmarried women have boyfriends and are not seeking new penis.

Urban gyms are the better gym choice.

There's also the fact that I do the olympic lifts every day I go to the gym, and commercial gyms have little facilities for that kind of training and many don't at all. Also like I said I'm not willing to pay for another gym membership and many women say they really don't like being approached at the gym, or anywhere for that matter

 

[CornbreadFed]

I don't really want to live in a really urbanized area tho, not as chill

You want easier pvssy, you gotta move where the pvssy flocks. Otherwise, just keep grinding until you catch a bite is the best advice I can give you.

Maybe but most of the time people really advise against approaching at the gym. But if I approached a girl anywhere irl I would just feel like I'm bothering her. Most women would not be receptive to an approach I make, I can't really see cold approach working for me in any scenario

If you are hitting on women at suburban gyms, I would be more worried about them having some insecure boyfriend or husband around the corner than an unfriendly reception.

I would imagine a lot of suburban gyms would be married women.

Urban gyms would have more unmarried women but many of the unmarried women have boyfriends and are not seeking new penis.

Urban gyms are the better gym choice.

They are a better choice, but most of your young women still living in the suburb will at least go to the gym nearby. They aren't going to drive 30 minutes each way to go to an urban gym.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

You want easier pvssy, you gotta move where the pvssy flocks. Otherwise, just keep grinding until you catch a bite is the best advice I can give you.

If you are hitting on women at suburban gyms, I would be more worried about them having some insecure boyfriend or husband around the corner than an unfriendly reception.

Moving to a downtown area would be a complete 180 from the goals I have as far as where I'd want to live. I've always wanted to buy land in the country and live there. Even if I went to another gym I wouldn't be able to just go and start approaching. It would take years of work before I'd be even remotely comfortable doing that. It's not worth it for me to take all that time and effort just to learn cold approach. The return I'd potentially get out of it would never be worth it. In this thread I've repeatedly stated I need alternatives to cold approach

 

[SW15]

most of your young women still living in the suburb will at least go to the gym nearby. They aren't going to drive 30 minutes each way to go to an urban gym.

Which young women actually live in the suburbs? Young women still living with their parents? Young men have a bigger problem with living with their parents as adults.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Moving to a downtown area would be a complete 180 from the goals I have as far as where I'd want to live. I've always wanted to buy land in the country and live there. Even if I went to another gym I wouldn't be able to just go and start approaching. It would take years of work before I'd be even remotely comfortable doing that. It's not worth it for me to take all that time and effort just to learn cold approach. The return I'd potentially get out of it would never be worth it. In this thread I've repeatedly stated I need alternatives to cold approach

Then you need to research social circle game because that aligns more with your goals and personality. Stay on the Dating Apps because there's no harm in doing so especially since it is your main method right now. Spinning Plates is not for you, so I would drop the idea of every doing that. Your typical young and single girl would rather live in an urban city environment not the suburbs or rural area.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Which young women actually live in the suburbs? Young women still living with their parents? Young men have a bigger problem with living with their parents as adults.

NEET women, college commuters, and some college grad women tend to still live at their parents. TBH, most of the girls I have dated lived with their parents still. You will only see them at local gyms or grocery stores though. Otherwise, they will be in the city to satisfy their entertainment needs, work, or at the university.

 

[corrector]

Then you need to research social circle game because that aligns more with your goals and personality.

This.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Thanks for going into that much detail in the reply. Yeah I may be 27 and asking such a simple thing, but as I've said my life hasn't loaned itself to me many opportunities to practice approaching irl. I didn't get anywhere with women when I was in high school at the age where I was supposed to have begun to learn that and I've relied on apps to meet women for my entire adult life. I remember when I was 18 and I had just graduated high school and a friend of mine showed me what tinder was for the first time. After that there was no going back.

As for my looks I have the advantage that I've been lifting weights for the better part of five years and I eat a good diet and care about my physical health and appearance. I'm definitely physically stronger and in better physical condition than the average man, and the training I do in the gym is the olympic lifts so even compared to the average gym goer I'm more legit. However I still have some stubborn midsection fat that won't go away. Although for the most part I do look like I lift I haven't been able to get below 20% bodyfat, and this is a bad thing. I eat a good diet and train well but it just won't go away. I've considered getting liposuction or coolsculpting to remedy this, but I'm hesitant due to potential adverse effects and I'm not entirely sure how effective that would be in all actuality. Furthermore I feel vain in potentially having to resort to cosmetic surgery. In terms of my physical appearance and my style of dress I look like I could have been in a band in the 60s/70s. I have long blonde curly hair and a handlebar mustache and when I dress a bit nicer I am fond of wearing bright floral shirts and bell bottom trousers. This is of course a more niche kinda look and not all girls are into that, but I like this look and it's been my style for a very long time.

I'll watch the video in the link and evaluate what it says. I have a kinda vague idea of the sort of woman I'm looking for already. If I picture a woman like that in my head it's a chill, non-basic, easygoing, emotionally stable woman, about 3-6 years younger than me, more intelligent than average, not much of a partier or a drinker, has at least vaguely similar interests/values/musical taste to my own, takes care of her physical health, is attractive but not instagram model tier, doesn't want children, is sexually compatible with me, and hasn't been passed around more times than a beach ball at a nickelback concert. I'm sure women like that exist somewhere but the impression I get is that girls fitting that description spend most of their time chillin at home and thus I never really encounter them. I'm much more of a homebody myself and a lot of my free time is spent at my house smoking weed, reading, or playing music. Even if somehow I encounter such a woman I've described, there's a good chance she'll already have a boyfriend anyway. Usually women that are chill, make good partners, and are faithful to their significant others are already spoken for and those relationships almost always last. If such a woman gets taken off the market she usually won't be back on it for a long time. In any case I want a long term, stable, fulfilling relationship with a woman I truly get along with and I'm really attracted to. That I would say is my goal.

It's interesting you bring up the idea of fitness classes, especially when I've heard others say that it's generally not advisable to try and approach women at the gym. I don't think I'd tried that since at the end of the day I just like to train the olympic lifts, and plus the gym I go to isn't a commercial gym. I would feel weird about approaching women in that setting anyway. For what it's worth there is a woman around my age who goes to the same gym I go to, but I don't think I'd date her. Even if I were interested I wouldn't try that since it's a small gym with a tight knit group of people that all know each other, so I don't want to try and fail and have it all blow up in my face. Then again I feel uncomfortable approaching women in any setting. I don't really feel like coed sports is a viable option for me either.

As for nightlife venues I'm not much of a drinker and I don't like staying out late as much. Even in college 90% of the time when I went to bars was just when my band had a gig there, I rarely went to bars other than a situation like that. I don't think I'd find what I'm looking for in a bar anyway, and women are more guarded in places like that since it's where they're the most likely to get approached. I hardly drink anymore anyway, even on my own time, since alcohol consumption is generally discouraged in my religion. I still drink very rarely, but almost never more than one drink. I don't even know any good bars in the town that I live in, and I don't want to have to drive a half hour to the center of town to go where all the nightlife is.

I've said this before but it doesn't appear that there's any good potential venue for me to meet girls irl. Every single option has huge glaring drawbacks that mean they very likely won't work for me. On top of that I have no experience approaching in public and I'm pretty introverted so trying to approach would just be nerve wracking and uncomfortable. Any woman would be able to sense that and it would turn them off, and the notion of cold approach itself seems to me to be completely against my own introverted, reserved nature. Furthermore I really do believe that most of the women that would be really compatible with me spend most of their free time at home like me.

Surprising that at 27 you can’t get below 20% BF. I’d seek professional help. MD. Trainer. Dietician…

 

[CornbreadFed]

Surprising that at 27 you can’t get below 20% BF. I’d seek professional help. MD. Trainer. Dietician…

Most definitely.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Then you need to research social circle game because that aligns more with your goals and personality. Stay on the Dating Apps because there's no harm in doing so especially since it is your main method right now. Spinning Plates is not for you, so I would drop the idea of every doing that. Your typical young and single girl would rather live in an urban city environment not the suburbs or rural area.

SS is another tool in the toolbox. Add it.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Then you need to research social circle game because that aligns more with your goals and personality. Stay on the Dating Apps because there's no harm in doing so especially since it is your main method right now. Spinning Plates is not for you, so I would drop the idea of every doing that. Your typical young and single girl would rather live in an urban city environment not the suburbs or rural area.

I can't really do anything with social circle game as it stands now. My social circle is very small and I only really have one friend that I hang out with on a regular basis.The last time I would have maybe been able to try social circle game was when I was like 18/19, but times have changed and my social circle is much smaller than it was back then. I guess the best thing I can hope for as far as meeting women irl is if I can meet a woman thru my religion (Hinduism) somehow. I attend lectures every week at my local temple and I've made some friends there and everybody knows me. There aren't really any single women there I could date tho, at least not so far. Maybe thru a spot of luck I'll come across one eventually but for now I shouldn't get my hopes up. That said hypothetically meeting a women thru such channels presents its own problems. Firstly, religious women of any denomination are more likely to want kids and I do not. Secondly, I'm an ethnic German and most Hindus are Indian, and I'm not really sure how many Indian women want to date white men. It seems they don't really date outside of their own ethnicity as much compared to other populations, so the impression I get is that fewer Indian women would want to date me compared to white women

 

[CornbreadFed]

I can't really do anything with social circle game as it stands now. My social circle is very small and I only really have one friend that I hang out with on a regular basis.The last time I would have maybe been able to try social circle game was when I was like 18/19, but times have changed and my social circle is much smaller than it was back then. I guess the best thing I can hope for as far as meeting women irl is if I can meet a woman thru my religion (Hinduism) somehow. I attend lectures every week at my local temple and I've made some friends there and everybody knows me. There aren't really any single women there I could date tho, at least not so far. Maybe thru a spot of luck I'll come across one eventually but for now I shouldn't get my hopes up. That said hypothetically meeting a women thru such channels presents its own problems. Firstly, religious women of any denomination are more likely to want kids and I do not. Secondly, I'm an ethnic German and most Hindus are Indian, and I'm not really sure how many Indian women want to date white men. It seems they don't really date outside of their own ethnicity as much compared to other populations, so the impression I get is that fewer Indian women would want to date me compared to white women

First, I have dated two Indian women (one from Kashmir and the other from Mumbai), you aren't going to be able to convince them to date outside their ethnicity unless you are rich or show great potential.

Second, you are all over god dang place. You want to be a DJ, but you want to live in the country, you are over 20% BF, and now I am finding out that you are a white Hindu but ethnic German. You have much shvt going on right now, so you need to focus on a few things. TBH, if you are down with the Hindu stuff, some SJW white woman or black woman will find it attractive. Unless you make decent money from a white-collar profession or look like a Chad, you aren't going to pull an Indian girl lol.

 

[BergischerLöwe]

First, I have dated two Indian women (one from Kashmir and the other from Mumbai), you aren't going to be able to convince them to date outside their ethnicity unless you are rich or show great potential.

Second, you are all over god dang place. You want to be a DJ, but you want to live in the country, you are over 20% BF, and now I am finding out that you are a white Hindu but ethnic German. You have much shvt going on right now, so you need to focus on a few things. TBH, if you are down with the Hindu stuff, some SJW white woman or black woman will find it attractive. Unless you make decent money from a white-collar profession or look like a Chad, you aren't going to pull an Indian girl lol.

That's another impression I get, that Indian women wouldn't consider me unless I had some sort of white collar profession, which I do not. As for SJW white women there's no way I would date anybody even remotely associated with SJWism. I don't associate with leftists or SJWs in any way. Indeed an unfortunate fact is that the majority of white women that are vaguely into "eastern" religions tend to have had their minds poisoned by impersonalism and new-age mindset, and thus they actually don't understand what Hinduism or Buddhism is really about and are incapable of comprehending what those religions actually teach. It's really quite sad, especially since I'm a sincere follower of Vedic Spirituality and it's these new-age phony "yogis" that really give western converts to Hinduism a bad name. New-age mindset, SJWism, and the teachings of charlatans such as Osho have absolutely no place in Hinduism. Either way meeting women thru my religion, however small the chance of that is, is probably the best I can hope for with respect to meeting women irl. If I can't really do cold approach, and social circle game is also out, what else is left?

 

[BergischerLöwe]

Surprising that at 27 you can’t get below 20% BF. I’d seek professional help. MD. Trainer. Dietician…

I've talked to doctors about that before and as far as anyone can tell I just have bad genetics when it comes to that. I think in order to get rid of that fat I'd have to get liposuction