Landmark Supreme Court decision that results in a victory for men

[Bokanovsky]

As far as education is concerned, nowadays I think that White males might actually be the recipient of AA largess. Think about it - chicks are now about 3/5 of college students, and Asian & Ashkenazis are more academically gifted on average than Whites.

You are confusing being academically gifted with being willing to work harder. Show me a white dude who spends 17 hours a day studying for exams (like a typical Chinese student).

 

[MatureDJ]

You are confusing being academically gifted with being willing to work harder. Show me a white dude who spends 17 hours a day studying for exams (like a typical Chinese student).

OK, "academically successful".

 

[CornbreadFed]

You are confusing being academically gifted with being willing to work harder. Show me a white dude who spends 17 hours a day studying for exams (like a typical Chinese student).

believing this myth is a good reason on why I didn’t try at school. In reality, smart people put in more hours regardless of gifted or work harder mentality.

 

[FlirtLife]

I hope this reduces college enrollments. The USA has had too many college graduates for a while. We need fewer college graduates and more meaningful work for those with high school diplomas and trade certifications.

The Bureau of Labor data shows those with high school diplomas had a 4% unemployment rate. College grads 2% unemployment rate. The government data from 2003-2023 doesn't show a time with too many college graduates, although we don't know what 2023-2024 will bring.

Unemployment rates for persons 25 years and older by educational attainment

www.bls.gov

 

[SW15]

The Bureau of Labor data shows those with high school diplomas had a 4% unemployment rate. College grads 2% unemployment rate. The government data from 2003-2023 doesn't show a time with too many college graduates, although we don't know what 2023-2024 will bring.

Unemployment rates for persons 25 years and older by educational attainment

www.bls.gov

A lot of college graduates might be employed but not working jobs that need a bachelor's degree. There's a reason for the stereotype of the college educated Starbucks barista.

 

[CornbreadFed]

A lot of college graduates might be employed but not working jobs that need a bachelor's degree. There's a reason for the stereotype of the college educated Starbucks barista.

Idk I feel like it’s a little over exaggerated, but statistics show you are always better off with a degree vs just a diploma. I know plenty of people that had a decent paying job without a degree, but once they lost it couldn’t replace the income previously.

 

[SW15]

Idk I feel like it’s a little over exaggerated, but statistics show you are always better off with a degree vs just a diploma. I know plenty of people that had a decent paying job without a degree, but once they lost it couldn’t replace the income previously.

The United States economy has changed in the last 50-60 years. For those who graduated high school prior to 1970-1975, it was possible to have a high school diploma and support yourself/a family. You didn't even need a trade certificate either. Plenty of high school graduates finished high school and went to work in manufacturing/factory jobs or other lesser skilled blue collar jobs.

By the time I graduated high school in 2001, the situation for high school graduates was much more bleak. If I had decided to not go to college by then, I was looking at working low paying service sector McJobs. I did not feel any interest towards any of the skilled trades though I wish that things had been different with that. This was why I ended up going to college. After getting my bachelor's degree, I eventually decided to get an advanced degree.

Master’s Degrees Are the Second Biggest Scam in Higher Education

And elite universities deserve a huge share of the blame.

slate.com

 

[Millard Fillmore]

It seems that this judgement doesnt change the fact that schools before college are still based on affirmative action and that josb still use affirmative action. Am I wrong? Why doesnt the NBA or NFL have affirmative action?

Sports are probably the best meritocracies, although there is probably discrimination on coaching staff hires. The NFL implemented the "Rooney Rule" which stipulated a minimum # of minority interviews for head coaching vacancies. And guess how minority candidates felt being interviewed and passed over? Just more tokenism dressed up as progressivism. The NBA has long been friendly to blacks and other minorities and now has female assistant coaches - but not because of the Supreme Court or whatever.

Anyway your greater point is correct, the judgment changes nothing. Schools can recruit or accept whomever they want to based on endless criteria. Decades ago Ivy Leagues schools rigged the system to keep Jews out for instance. Their intentions are (mostly) better these days but they can play with the calculus however they want.

 

[CornbreadFed]

It seems that this judgement doesnt change the fact that schools before college are still based on affirmative action and that josb still use affirmative action. Am I wrong? Why doesnt the NBA or NFL have affirmative action?

those are two different things. With good intent, affirmative action had a purpose, but it got dragged in other directions to the point of no return. Plus, I think it has been a cop out for some people making excuses.

 

[Reincarnated]

Last week's supreme court decisions were great victories for those of us who advocate for personal responsibility/accountability, fairness, and freedom.

The conservative majority on the court is currently leading the charge in preserving a semblance of common sense that other parts of our government and society are sadly lacking. These high court appointments (also including US district & other appellate courts) are probably the most compelling reason why it is always important to vote.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Last week's supreme court decisions were great victories for those of us who advocate for personal responsibility/accountability, fairness, and freedom.

yeah but not for everyone, why should one group of people get crapped on while others do not?

 

[Reincarnated]

yeah but not for everyone, why should one group of people get crapped on while others do not?

Who specifically are you referring to. The purpose of the Supreme court is to uphold the Constitution, irregardless or who it ends up benefiting. When the court rules like this, society ultimately is the winner.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Who specifically are you referring to. The purpose of the Supreme court is to uphold the Constitution, irregardless or who it ends up benefiting. When the court rules like this, society ultimately is the winner.

Is it not inconceivable that the Supreme Court could fall short of infallibility and fail to align with an unbiased, objective agenda? Are you not aware that the Court has overturned prior decisions precisely because they were deemed unconstitutional?

Allow me to cite the ruling on affirmative action as an example. This issue extends beyond the mere selection process of elite universities; it encompasses the overlooked matter of legacy enrollment and its enduring influence. To disregard this aspect would be a glaring omission.

 

[Reincarnated]

Is it not inconceivable that the Supreme Court could fall short of infallibility and fail to align with an unbiased, objective agenda? Are you not aware that the Court has overturned prior decisions precisely because they were deemed unconstitutional?

Allow me to cite the ruling on affirmative action as an example. This issue extends beyond the mere selection process of elite universities; it encompasses the overlooked matter of legacy enrollment and its enduring influence. To disregard this aspect would be a glaring omission.

Agree with your first paragraph, this is an important function of the court, to review past decisions and correct potential misguided rulings.

Disagree with your second part, at least when it comes to private universities. Legacy status should be allowed to be considered, I don't think this is a constitutional issue per say. Harvard or Duke will always find a way to take this into consideration.

If we want to talk about ways to lift up "targeted minority" groups, this should be done at the primary school level K-12, fund these schools better, prevent unions from weidling too much power. The issue is that public schools get a lot of funding from property taxes. Where property values are low, so are taxes. You'd need to funnel tax money from wealthier areas to these neighborhoods (which I support).

And also change the culture/promote family structure. These are rough numbers, but all things considered, on average asian students in high school study twice as much as white students. And latino/African American students study about half as much as whites. Fix the problems at the grassroot level, don't put a bandaid on a bullet hole.

 

[f(x)]

I’m concerned that the supreme court is taking manufactured, fictitious cases (loans & 303) to legislate from the bench.

I’m in favor of expanding the court and enacting oversight and term limits on it.

Worried for the future. Books and courses are being banned and the right couldn’t be happier. Nauseating

 

[CornbreadFed]

Disagree with your second part, at least when it comes to private universities. Legacy status should be allowed to be considered, I don't think this is a constitutional issue per say. Harvard or Duke will always find a way to take this into consideration.

I do not see how legacy status can be considered in agreement with personal responsibility/accountability, fairness, and freedom like you said, but affirmative action is not. We can go and find a far-fetched example of affirmative action and punish the majority, but we are going to just pretend the legacy system is 100% perfect and ignore that?

If we want to talk about ways to lift up "targeted minority" groups, this should be done at the primary school level K-12, fund these schools better, prevent unions from weidling too much power. The issue is that public schools get a lot of funding from property taxes. Where property values are low, so are taxes. You'd need to funnel tax money from wealthier areas to these neighborhoods (which I support).

I feel like this is an entirely different topic that is not that relatable to the Supreme Court decision.

And also change the culture/promote family structure. These are rough numbers, but all things considered, on average asian students in high school study twice as much as white students. And latino/African American students study about half as much as whites. Fix the problems at the grassroot level, don't put a bandaid on a bullet hole.

Asians have been specifically selected for their skillsets and education from their countries to come here and work vs African Americans have historically been in this country for centuries and have grandparents alive today that are alive today that have been barred civil rights and education. You cannot simply compare the two or expect centuries of institutionalized discrimination to just go away that quickly. I do not know much about Latinos, so I am going to refrain from speaking for them. Last, I am not sure if you have not met any second or third generation Asians, but they tend to lose that efficient study culture and become more lax.