Why the wall for men is much worse than the wall for females

[Pandora]

Salary has never come up in my dealings with wealthy women.

It has nothing to do with desperation, if you can't understand that a woman making $250k simply has different priorities in what she seeks from her man than a woman pulling in $75k, nothing further to discuss.


Sounds like cope from both of you. Whatever. I guess it's hard to accept that women these days really do care about who a guy is as a person rather than what he has in his wallet.

Salary never came up because women have a radar to smell if you have money. What do you expect them to straight up ask to see your bank account? Trust me the first question their friends asked them after "is he cute?" is " what does he do?"

The definition of cope is denying a painful truth. I am actually doing the opposite of coping by saying "yes women love money and I dont have much".

You are wrong. Its ok.

 

[CornbreadFed]

If you have nothing else to bring to the table but your salary then yes it does matter. No offense, but I’ve never heard of a Chad trying to geomax? Being a good looking guy with a six figure or higher salary that’s not a psychopath or has an unattractive personality goes a long way. Plus, a higher salary doesn’t mean complete control of the other partner, it’s not a marriage.

 

[Pandora]

If you have nothing else to bring to the table but your salary then yes it does matter. No offense, but I’ve never heard of a Chad trying to geomax? Being a good looking guy with a six figure or higher salary that’s not a psychopath or has an unattractive personality goes a long way. Plus, a higher salary doesn’t mean complete control of the other partner, it’s not a marriage.

Never said I was a Chad but I was a Tyrone lite ( i have a uploaded a picture of myself before) . I didnt bang the hottest women but in my past I did ok.

Also Geomaxxing is not for sex. It is for more submissive women who could be wives.

Anyway lets agree to disagree on this topic. I know for sure that all things being equal women strongly prefer the man that makes more money. Marriage is soft prostitution afterall.

This is why women say the 6 sixes.

1.) SIX FIGURE INCOME!!
2.) 6 inch banana
3.) Six pack abs

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I strongly believe that a guy that reached his mid to late 30s single with no family, is very unlikely the kind of man who would enjoy the commitment and demands that come from a relationship...let alone with a 30+ women.

I talk by personal experience even if my gf is in her late 20s.

I believe we can bs each other as much as we want but regardless how wealthy you are, it's very unlikely you will "leave the dream" past your 40s as a man.

The raw animalistic careless sex that is much more than sex happens when you're both young and there is nothing but nature making sure you are attracted from each other.

I see such scenario happening much more while banging a married woman looking for some savage time rather than with the same woman getting into a ltr with you cause she needs stability and you reach the threeshold.

 

[Bigpapa]

Why is the male wall worse?

The truth is that men age la milk too

you see plenty of guys in their 30s looking like they are 50 or 60

You rarely see good looking men in their 30s and onwards, same as women

that is a bigger problem than the economical thing that you have mentioned

 

[CornbreadFed]

Never said I was a Chad but I was a Tyrone lite ( i have a uploaded a picture of myself before) . I didnt bang the hottest women but in my past I did ok.

Older black men are perfect for this scenario because they tend to earn less statistically and the women around are terrible quality. I also want to add that the type of money you have matters too. Blue collar/Non degree holding money attracts blue collar/service women. White collar jobs and businesses attract white collar women. Presentation does matter too and can negate these rules.

Also Geomaxxing is not for sex. It is for more submissive women who could be wives.

You can find these women in the USA if you properly vet and maintain masculine frame. Now if you have zero issues with American women and want to geomax then be my guest, but it is not a quick fix to someone that is already struggling with women.

Anyway lets agree to disagree on this topic. I know for sure that all things being equal women strongly prefer the man that makes more money. Marriage is soft prostitution afterall.

This is why women say the 6 sixes.

1.) SIX FIGURE INCOME!!
2.) 6 inch banana
3.) Six pack abs

Have you ever been married lol? How long too? If not, did you grow up in a two parent household? Idk how you can make a drastic statement about marriage lol. Also, I’m at bachelor party right now and the bachelor and married guys have none of those three. I have all of those three and I’m in a LTR, but I have been single longer than them.

 

[I_have_BDE]

Sir, this is Texas.

Oil rigs right off the coast. Oil fields also pay well. Jobs are a bit dangerous though

 

[GoodMan32]

Dude, that age range cares the least about money. Also, that age range is the most socially awkward age range (perhaps of the history of adult humans). Sell your age as "experience" and get nerdy 20 somethings who are dtf. See an escort if you have anxiety that is specifically related to girls. Practice randomly commenting to strangers in public about stuff worth commenting on.

Glad to hear the age group behind me is the most socially awkward ever. I'd love to get me some nerdy dtf 20-somethings.

As for escorts, I've relied entirely on escorts to get laid for the past 8 years, with the exception of a one time thing in 2021. Even then, the woman I had the one time thing with in 2021, I had flirted with her since 2019. It took 2 years of flirting to finally get in her pants.

As for commenting on stuff in public, I ride public transportation. I've witnessed female passengers throw absolute hissy fits if a guy so much as says one word to her.

 

[GoodMan32]

This is your biggest problem and needs to be addressed immediately. You won't make progress on anything without improving your social skills to at least adequate.



It's difficult to be 30+ with lower income. However, it's not impossible. We have a success story on this forum in a similar spot. @BPH is 29, lives with his parents in a suburban area within a mid-sized metro, and has a notch count of 80+. How does he do it? He's 6'0", fit, and has at least adequate social skills.

20-22 year old college students and recent college graduates do want men who are 30-35. However, if you're 30-35, it's generally expected that you have money if you're attracting and seducing 20-22 year olds. The 20-22 year old female who primarily interacts with 20-25 year old men is interacting with broke men. A 30-35 year old with money is something that impresses them. It's not easy for them to find that in their age group. You have to offer something special to get the attention of 20-22 year olds when you are 30+.



Yes, I agree that 20-22 year olds care the least about money because they realize similarly aged men typically don't have money.

Random comments to strangers in public are opening lines of approaches. Approaches in person are good.

He could sell his age as "experience" but it wouldn't do much without money unless he can offer something else. If he owns a motorcycle despite making $38k per year, he could position himself to younger females as an exciting guy. Tattoos might help too.

As for the social awkwardness, I was reluctant to mention this at first, but I feel I probably should: I'm on the spectrum. Granted, I have a very high-functioning case. Compared to the majority of guys on the spectrum, I have good social skills. Compared to the general population though? My social skills are well below average.

I have one tat. Motorcycle? I don't even own a car (Medical reasons; will never be able to). I'm aware this is a major roadblock (I even mentioned on another thread how a dating service wouldn't let me join when they found out I don't own a car).

As for the age thing, I'm pretty flexible. Obviously I'm open to my age group (and younger). I'm open to older too. There are women in their 40s, 50s, even 60s that I find attractive. I also have a fetish that older women appear to be more willing to indulge in.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Oil rigs right off the coast. Oil fields also pay well. Jobs are a bit dangerous though

Oil makes Texas. Texas women aren't going to dock you many points for being an Oilman. A NYC or Seattle woman would, but you're not in NYC or Seattle.

 

[SW15]

Oil makes Texas. Texas women aren't going to dock you many points for being an Oilman.

Mostly true. It's possible that Austin women would look down on this. That's where it would be most likely to happen in Texas. Austin is Texas' hub of SJWs and far left progressives. It is not a coincidence that feminist dating app Bumble chose Austin as its headquarters. Dallas is a hub of leftist ideologies too but Dallas suburbs are conservative. Dallas women are pretentious but probably wouldn't look down on a man too much for being in the oil. Besides, Dallas women are known to like money and oil has been associated with money.

 

[GoodMan32]

Mostly true. It's possible that Austin women would look down on this. That's where it would be most likely to happen in Texas. Austin is Texas' hub of SJWs and far left progressives. It is not a coincidence that feminist dating app Bumble chose Austin as its headquarters. Dallas is a hub of leftist ideologies too but Dallas suburbs are conservative. Dallas women are pretentious but probably wouldn't look down on a man too much for being in the oil. Besides, Dallas women are known to like money and oil has been associated with money.

Bumble is a feminist app?

Not doubting you; this is just the first I've heard anyone say it.

I've used Bumble before. Had no luck. The one woman I spoke to lost interest.

 

[SW15]

Bumble is a feminist app?

Not doubting you; this is just the first I've heard anyone say it.

I've used Bumble before. Had no luck. The one woman I spoke to lost interest.

Yes, Bumble is a feminist app. This ad was an example of Bumble advertising to feminists.

The fact that men can't start a conversation after a match is not aligned with traditional masculinity.

Your experience on Bumble was typical. The typical man's experience is some combination of few matches, few dates, and mostly "one date, no sex, no second date" type in-person interactions.

 

[Pandora]

Older black men are perfect for this scenario because they tend to earn less statistically and the women around are terrible quality. I also want to add that the type of money you have matters too. Blue collar/Non degree holding money attracts blue collar/service women. White collar jobs and businesses attract white collar women. Presentation does matter too and can negate these rules.




You can find these women in the USA if you properly vet and maintain masculine frame. Now if you have zero issues with American women and want to geomax then be my guest, but it is not a quick fix to someone that is already struggling with women.




Have you ever been married lol? How long too? If not, did you grow up in a two parent household? Idk how you can make a drastic statement about marriage lol. Also, I’m at bachelor party right now and the bachelor and married guys have none of those three. I have all of those three and I’m in a LTR, but I have been single longer than them.

I don't understand what these questions have to do with the fact that women prefer a man to make more money than her.

No I have never been married and yes I grew up in a two parent household.

A career woman will never respect and submit to a man that makes less than her. This is factual bruh. Why do you think so many divorces happen after the women gets a promotion and starts making more money than her husband? Come on man. How are we even debating this?

 

[GoodMan32]

Yes, Bumble is a feminist app. This ad was an example of Bumble advertising to feminists.

The fact that men can't start a conversation after a match is not aligned with traditional masculinity.

Your experience on Bumble was typical. The typical man's experience is some combination of few matches, few dates, and mostly "one date, no sex, no second date" type in-person interactions.

I see. Since I have a hard time making the first move, one aspect I liked about Bumble was how the woman had to make the first move. I never thought of the fact that that's feminist (you're right though, it is feminist).

That being said, the fact it's up to the woman to make the first move, ultimately ends up hurting guys.

 

[GoodMan32]

I don't understand what these questions have to do with the fact that women prefer a man to make more money than her.

No I have never been married and yes I grew up in a two parent household.

A career woman will never respect and submit to a man that makes less than her. This is factual bruh. Why do you think so many divorces happen after the women gets a promotion and starts making more money than her husband? Come on man. How are we even debating this?

There was a high-profile murder case in California back in 2000 where the woman allegedly murdered her husband because she didn't want to pay alimony in an upcoming divorce (She made significantly more than him).

 

[GoodMan32]

This is your biggest problem and needs to be addressed immediately. You won't make progress on anything without improving your social skills to at least adequate.



It's difficult to be 30+ with lower income. However, it's not impossible. We have a success story on this forum in a similar spot. @BPH is 29, lives with his parents in a suburban area within a mid-sized metro, and has a notch count of 80+. How does he do it? He's 6'0", fit, and has at least adequate social skills.

20-22 year old college students and recent college graduates do want men who are 30-35. However, if you're 30-35, it's generally expected that you have money if you're attracting and seducing 20-22 year olds. The 20-22 year old female who primarily interacts with 20-25 year old men is interacting with broke men. A 30-35 year old with money is something that impresses them. It's not easy for them to find that in their age group. You have to offer something special to get the attention of 20-22 year olds when you are 30+.



Yes, I agree that 20-22 year olds care the least about money because they realize similarly aged men typically don't have money.

Random comments to strangers in public are opening lines of approaches. Approaches in person are good.

He could sell his age as "experience" but it wouldn't do much without money unless he can offer something else. If he owns a motorcycle despite making $38k per year, he could position himself to younger females as an exciting guy. Tattoos might help too.

Then one thing I should have elaborated on with dressing well: I dress well in the sense that my clothing is clean/ironed/well-fitted.

However, I've been told I dress like somewhat of a nerd.

Today, for example, I'm wearing a polo tucked into jeans.

I'm willing to make certain changes to boost my chances with a woman. I refuse to totally change who I am though. This type of wardrobe is what I'm most comfortable in. Do you think my style hinders me?

 

[Pandora]

There was a high-profile murder case in California back in 2000 where the woman allegedly murdered her husband because she didn't want to pay alimony in an upcoming divorce (She made significantly more than him).

Exactly my point. No matter how much they make they dont want to share it with you.

Career women still want you to pay for the date even if they make more money than you. They want to feel protected. The want the illusion of you making more money than them. It is hardwired in a womans DNA to crave this.

If your wife makes more than you she will berate you and not submit. This is why most divorces are intitated by college educated women.

You must be better than you woman in virtually EVERYTHING for her to even think about submission.

I hate this ugly truth but its the truth.

 

[Pandora]

@CornbreadFed hates fresh and fit but regurgitates the same $hit that women say 'I want a man that makes 1 quadrillion dollars of he were to date me" **** the fvck up with all $hit about women and money.

Women will respect a man who is masculine, a man who has other options, a man who's not afraid of walking away. Women make their own money, they don't need yours and don't want it anyways, a man who leads with his wallet doesn't have anything else to offer.

If a woman says you gonna make more money or I leave you, a simp will say okay queen, a man will ok you're obviously not happy with me, go find yourself a guy you're looking for, and then you walk away, you'll see how quickly she forgets about that $hit snd never again.

If you're in a date and she asks how much money you make she's looking for someone to take care of her, you don't want that women anyways. If its a test you don't have to answer, or you can answer "depends how good you fvck" you'll see how she never asks you that again, and she will tell her friends "the nerves on this a$$hole asked me how good I fvck when I asked him how much money he makes" good you're the a$$hole that every women complain but can't get enough of.

But men are scare to rock the boat for fear of not seeing that "cute" girl again after one date, and submitting to her request becomes a self fulfilling prophecy of not seeing her again.

You should make good money for you and always striving to get more for you, not for impress some woman. Looks and charisma are more important.

I agree with you bru but they generally dont come out and blatantly ask how much you make. Women are extremely good at picking up the signs of wealth. They will notice subtle trappings of success like an expensive camera at your condo, or a nice watch etc.

Trust me.....its in the back of their mind and they are constantly trying to figure out your income. Most of them are like this.

If she just wants sex then she wont care as much.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

You must be better than you woman in virtually EVERYTHING for her to even think about submission.

I hate this ugly truth but its the truth.

You can get her to submit temporarily if you give the illusion that you are (or are at least on her level) and give them a good d1cking.