What's the deal with women and simps saying "communication" is so important?

[FlexpertHamilton]

This meme has been repeated ad nauseam for a long time now. Women say it all the damn time and so do the simps on places like Reddit.

Last I checked, men are direct, simple communicators, and if anything they over communicate in relationships. Women are the ones who don't communicate: stonewalling and generally refusing to answer "what's wrong?" when a man is fully ready to have a civil conversation, and instead expect the man to read their mind.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around it. Is this some massive gaslighting campaign? Or are these women so used to dating aloof dark triad Chads that the only form of "communication" they're used to is with the guys who don't give a **** about them?

 

[Bingo-Player]

Men are excellent communicators with .....other men

shove a semi competent group of men together they will solve virtually any problem on earth

Shove a group of women together and all you will get is gossiping , indecision , b1tching and then maybe some problem solving

I can remember in another lifetime working with an office full of 40-50 year old women

Most of the days were spent talking about WHY someone had a personal problem or why someones kid was badly behaving in school or what someone in another department was doing , if there was any drama it would be repeated for weeks.

It was one of the wierdest periods of my life

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Women do not communicate linearly and a tend to misinterpret AND over analyse a lot of what is said

A very innocent and innocuous comment could quite easily be misinterpreted and blown out of all proportion by the female mind

Female communication or "womanise" is very difficult for most men to comprehend

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

So how is this a mans problem? How can they possible say we do not communicate when we literally say exactly how we feel and what we mean?

And yes I constantly get women misinterpreting what I say. I literally had a brief exchange with a girl a couple weeks ago that went like this:

"It seems like you interpret everything I say with the worst of intentions"

"Hahaha I do that with every man so don't sweat it"

And this is our fault?

 

[Bingo-Player]

So how is this a mans problem? How can they possible say we do not communicate when we literally say exactly how we feel and what we mean?

And yes I constantly get women misinterpreting what I say. I literally had a brief exchange with a girl a couple weeks ago that went like this:

"It seems like you interpret everything I say with the worst of intentions"

"Hahaha I do that with every man so don't sweat it"

And this is our fault?

Not a mans problem but if you want a woman to let you empty your balls inside her , you better believe she will be testing you as that one you are complaining about was

 

[CornbreadFed]

It basically means that she wants a man who meets her physical appearance criteria, doesn't come across as a completely awkward NPC in person, and doesn't undergo a significant personality change after sexual intimacy. This requirement is essentially synonymous with emotional intelligence. Many men who struggle in dating often lack emotional intelligence due to factors such as inexperience, shyness, certain mental traits like the dark triad/sociopathy, or negative reactions resulting from past hurt inflicted by a woman. A lot of women participating in hypergamy will be exposed to this because they are chasing dark triad men in general. Girls not participating in hypergamy will run in to this with a lot of guys in the first dating stages as well. For example, a guy might present himself as communicative on the phone or before the first date, but then come off as a drone NPC during the actual date.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

It basically means that she wants a man who meets her physical appearance criteria, doesn't come across as a completely awkward NPC in person, and doesn't undergo a significant personality change after sexual intimacy. This requirement is essentially synonymous with emotional intelligence. Many men who struggle in dating often lack emotional intelligence due to factors such as inexperience, shyness, certain mental traits like the dark triad/sociopathy, or negative reactions resulting from past hurt inflicted by a woman. A lot of women participating in hypergamy will be exposed to this because they are chasing dark triad men in general. Girls not participating in hypergamy will run in to this with a lot of guys in the first dating stages as well. For example, a guy might present himself as communicative on the phone or before the first date, but then come off as a drone NPC during the actual date.

I guess I don't know what you're referring to when you say a significant personality change after intimacy. What is an example?

 

[CornbreadFed]

I guess I don't know what you're referring to when you say a significant personality change after intimacy. What is an example?

A classic example is a seemingly normal guy turning in to a complete simp or douche bag after he has gotten his first taste of psleeve from a girl.

However, this is mainly dealing with dark triad men.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Personally I aim to maximize #3 and steer away from #1 and 2.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This meme has been repeated ad nauseam for a long time now. Women say it all the damn time and so do the simps on places like Reddit.

Last I checked, men are direct, simple communicators, and if anything they over communicate in relationships. Women are the ones who don't communicate: stonewalling and generally refusing to answer "what's wrong?" when a man is fully ready to have a civil conversation, and instead expect the man to read their mind.

I honestly cannot wrap my head around it. Is this some massive gaslighting campaign? Or are these women so used to dating aloof dark triad Chads that the only form of "communication" they're used to is with the guys who don't give a **** about them?

If you want a quality relationship that lasts longer than 6 months, it's kinda crucial.

This should be common sense but somehow isn't apparently?

 

[Robert28]

I’ve had women tell me many times I’m a terrible communicator because I don’t text all day. I have a business to run, I’m not going to chit chat all dang day with you. What I don’t understand is how the women who are the ultimate “take a hint” communicators can’t wrap their head around “hey maybe he’s busy and can’t talk all the time, he’s got a business to run”. But they can’t grasp that.

 

[Gamisch]

Its about what you do and what you dont say..and when you do or don't say these things.

You do have a point though. Women are bad at communicating with us in our language.

If you want a quality relationship that lasts longer than 6 months, it's kinda crucial.

This should be common sense but somehow isn't apparently?

This is what the manosphere can do to a man. Simply because the thing he's after (poosy) isn't necessarily thinking logical ,he'll try to " communicate on her level".

 

[Robert28]

If you want a quality relationship that lasts longer than 6 months, it's kinda crucial.

This should be common sense but somehow isn't apparently?

The communication women are trying to get out of you is to get you to admit how much you like them. It’s a trap.

 

[sangheilios]

Personally I aim to maximize #3 and steer away from #1 and 2.

There is such a thing as healthy narcissism, in fact I'd actually say that a man would be better off having a slight bit too much of it than not enough. It basically creates a place where the man feels he brings value, is better than his competition, etc. Having feelings like this, regardless of whether or not they are founded in reality, creates a vibe of confidence. A man like this is more likely to go for what he wants, perhaps even get it, and will feel more satisfied in life than someone who is on the opposite spectrum of this. I think the only time these particular trait is bad is when it is further along the spectrum where it could legitimately be classified as a personality disorder.

The Machiavellian stuff kind of ties in with this but the full blown socio/psychopath stuff is not a good place to be, obviously.

As the other poster mentioned, I also feel some degree of these traits are actually advantageous and would make it much less likely for a man to be taken advantage of by a woman. Men like this are significantly less likely to be simps, try to white knight broken and damaged women, less likely to put up with toxic women's b.s, etc.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Its about wjay you do and what you dont say..and when you do or don't say these things.

You do have a point though. Women are bad at communicating with us in our language.


This is what the manosphere can do to a man. Simply because the thing he's after (poosy) isn't necessarily thinking logical ,he'll try to " communicate on her level".

Mostly it's about addressing issues at the beginning rather than pretending everything is fine and letting small issues snowball into big issues and having a blow up like you are a 3 year old throwing a temper tantrum.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The communication women are trying to get out of you is to get you to admit how much you like them. It’s a trap.

Wrong. This is not what it's normally about unless she wants to dump you and is hoping you give her a reason to.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Healthy levels of dark traits are essential to attraction.

1. Narcissist: believe you're the best cause why not = being c0cky

2. Psychopathy: don't feel bad when she does some $hit that she brings to herself = not being a captain save a ho3

3. Machiavellian: puting your needs first = not being doormat.

All of those are traits of masculinity, the media brainwash young boys into being the good mommas boys, and women complain cause they have to work hard to get those guys to commit, even more when those guys are accomplished in life.

I agree that being a pushover is bad, what you said could easily be misinterpreted by someone as try and be and be a fake dark triad male and essentially put him in a dark hole dating wise. Dark Triad Traits are genetic and can not be faked long term.

 

[Kotaix]

When a woman says she wants to communicate, what she means is she wants to talk and wants you to listen to her.

I find this the most challenging aspect of relationships with women when it comes to the long haul.

 

[Mike32ct]

Probably just another way to dance around the looks issue.

Women generally don’t use the term “game.” So they say “communications skills.”

 

[Robert28]

Wrong. This is not what it's normally about unless she wants to dump you and is hoping you give her a reason to.

That’s usually what women are up to. When they start naming things hard, they’re gaslighting you to help you make it easier to dump. It’s super manipulative.

 

[Robert28]

Probably just another way to dance around the looks issue.

Women generally don’t use the term “game.” So they say “communications skills.”

Women try to not sound shallow but everyone knows they’re shallow as hell, it’s just women don’t know that we know they are.