Houston we have a huge problem…The Manosphere does not have an ounce of Social Cohesion

[CornbreadFed]

The Manosphere

Too many Pill ideologies- You have the red, blue, purple, and black pills all blabbing with one another about who is right or wrong. Meanwhile, women are all behind the idea of just locking down a high value guy. This goes beyond women because one pill is telling guys not skip college and get a vasectomy to become this ultimate bugatti alpha god. Meanwhile, the path for a woman is much more doable and sustainable. Not everyone can be a 1% jacked Bugatti owner with a reversed vasectomy, while most people can get a marketable degree or skilled trade and find a satisfactory partner.

Mature vs Younger Men Divide- There is a clear divide between younger men and older men in the manosphere. I think older men had a relatively easier time as they were younger dating women, but got burned later in their 30s and 40s and are more lenient towards the red pilled. While younger men are dealing with a much tougher environment in their twenties and seem to be much more influenced by the black pill.

Poisoned by the PUA movement- The PUA movement was the answer to the rise of women in the dating market, but it has not worked out long term for men. The methods and ideology of the PUA movement still linger in the manosphere to this day and have caused a huge divide. 1). It turns men in to mindless NPC drones that cannot emotionally connect with women which leads them down a rabbit hole. 2). It gave us this Alpha, Beta male shvt that is extremely pointless in concept, but still being thrown out by men today. 3). It is not meant for every guy because the vast majority of guys just want a healthy fulfilling relationship at the end of the day, not to be the the Miami Bimbo Slayer. Overall, the PUA movement has done a lot of harm to the manosphere.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

This is true for the manosphere as it is true for society in general when it comes to social constructs. People get caught up in ideologies (religion, politics, social trends, etc) and simply forget to be decent human beings.

So simple, yet it alludes us.

 

[CornbreadFed]

A good example of the difference in cohesion is Lizzo vs Andrew Tate- Both with extreme messages towards their respective genders

The majority of women support Lizzo despite her approach and think she is doing her best

Andrew Tate seems to have a clear divide on men that either like him or hate him lol.

 

[tightgrp]

A good example of the difference in cohesion is Lizzo vs Andrew Tate- Both with extreme messages towards their respective genders

The majority of women support Lizzo despite her approach and think she is doing her best

Andrew Tate seems to have a clear divide on men that either like him or hate him lol.

What part of Andrew Tate's message do you consider extreme?

 

[Bokanovsky]

This is true for the manosphere as it is true for society in general when it comes to social constructs. People get caught up in ideologies (religion, politics, social trends, etc) and simply forget to be decent human beings.

So simple, yet it alludes us.

If being decent was the key to success, we would be living in a utopian society devoid of wars, crime, hate and other social ills. Unfortunately, our society does not have any strong social structures that promote and encourage decency. At one time, religion kind of played that role (but even then, the people at the top ignored religious tenets while hypocritically preaching the virtues of religion to the unwashed masses).

 

[CornbreadFed]

What part of Andrew Tate's message do you consider extreme?

Telling your audience your audience to become a 1% man is pretty extreme.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Maybe if guys weren't sticking so hard to ridiculous things like RSDNation **** or Blackpill **** then we could get something done.

 

[Kotaix]

If being decent was the key to success, we would be living in a utopian society devoid of wars, crime, hate and other social ills. Unfortunately, our society does not have any strong social structures that promote and encourage decency. At one time, religion kind of played that role (but even then, the people at the top ignored religious tenets while hypocritically preaching the virtues of religion to the unwashed masses).

The current leftist order is dead set on destroying social structure, they WANT chaos because it allows them to seize power. They think they're going to usher in a Utopia, but anyone who believes that a utopia is possible is ignoring reality.

All of these problems are ultimately tied to men being more interested in their own ego and materialism than they are with actually getting along with other people.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Mature vs Younger Men Divide

Most 40yo+ posters here are pretty d@amn good. Yes, we have the ocassional bad egg here and there but it comes with the territory.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I have a vasectomy, and omw of getting jacked, I don't wanna have a Bugatti, I want a Corvette. I don't see your point.

Why do you have a vasectomy at age 33?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Cause I don't wanna have unwanted children, and no woman trapping me. And before you say wear a condom, you can wear a condom so many times with a casual woman you're seeing or gf, until you wanna go raw.

I feel like there’s better methods than potentially sterilizing yourself permanently.

 

[BadBoy89]

All of these problems are ultimately tied to men being more interested in their own ego and materialism than they are with actually getting along with other people.

Well for sure.

Until people have it ”all”, they could care less about others. In fact, everyone prefers to see everyone else fail. Look no further than Sosuave, the anger that comes out when a poster says they slept with a hot young girl.

Interestingly, there is 0 anger when the woman is in her mid 30s or older

 

[CornbreadFed]

There is no feel into this, for men its either pullout, condoms, trusting them to be in the pill, or plan B.

Its reversible to an extent, and if its not, I don't care about bringing kids in this queer society.

I will not waste any more breath on this, but I do hope you are able to get this reversed once you realize how much of an emotional decision this was.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Well for sure.

Until people have it ”all”, they could care less about others. In fact, everyone prefers to see everyone else fail. Look no further than Sosuave, the anger that comes out when a poster says they slept with a hot young girl.

Interestingly, there is 0 anger when the woman is in her mid 30s or older

The issue is that nobody really cares and it is seen as a failed humble brag. “Hi sosuave, I am having issues with my woman going hot and cold on me, Btw shes a 10/10”.

 

[Grounded eagle]

A good example of the difference in cohesion is Lizzo vs Andrew Tate- Both with extreme messages towards their respective genders

The majority of women support Lizzo despite her approach and think she is doing her best

Andrew Tate seems to have a clear divide on men that either like him or hate him lol.

The difference is that one of them is right and one of them is wrong.The fact that I don’t have to say who is who corroborates that fact.

Say what you will about Tate,but he is far more of a positive influence on men than 99% of big name personalities out there.

Also,let’s appreciate the irony of you starting a thread decrying the divide in the manosphere and going on to bash a prominent member of it.I’m not even really a follower of Tate but the least one could do is take the positives in his message,because they are there.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The difference is that one of them is right and one of them is wrong.The fact that I don’t have to say who is who corroborates that fact.

Say what you will about Tate,but he is far more of a positive influence on men than 99% of big name personalities out there.

Also,let’s appreciate the irony of you starting a thread decrying the divide in the manosphere and going on to bash a prominent member of it.I’m not even really a follower of Tate but the least one could do is take the positives in his message,because they are there.

What has Andrew tate done that’s so beneficial to men? Any Joe blow can say improve yourself, get rich. He’s a con artist just like Lizzo is for women.

 

[SW15]

Mature vs Younger Men Divide- There is a clear divide between younger men and older men in the manosphere. I think older men had a relatively easier time as they were younger dating women, but got burned later in their 30s and 40s and are more lenient towards the red pilled. While younger men are dealing with a much tougher environment in their twenties and seem to be much more influenced by the black pill.

The Mature Men that you mention who had a relatively easier time dating when younger are 50+ today.

If a man is turning 40 today, his teens to mid-20s were in the 2000s, which was not a great era for dating. Women were already difficult by then and a lot of the tech stuff came around during the 2000s. Social media got popular with the launches of MySpace and Facebook in 2004, the iPhone launched in 2007, and higher speed internet at home became common in the early 2000s.

The blackpill has been more associated with Millennials and Gen Z. The oldest Millennials today are turning 40. I think the black pill is bigger with later Millennials than the earliest Millennials (1981-1984 births). I've seen the blackpill grow a lot in the last 7-10 years.

Poisoned by the PUA movement- The PUA movement was the answer to the rise of women in the dating market, but it has not worked out long term for men. The methods and ideology of the PUA movement still linger in the manosphere to this day and have caused a huge divide. 1). It turns men in to mindless NPC drones that cannot emotionally connect with women which leads them down a rabbit hole. 2). It gave us this Alpha, Beta male shvt that is extremely pointless in concept, but still being thrown out by men today. 3). It is not meant for every guy because the vast majority of guys just want a healthy fulfilling relationship at the end of the day, not to be the the Miami Bimbo Slayer. Overall, the PUA movement has done a lot of harm to the manosphere.

The PUA movement was a Gen X thing. Mystery, Neil Strauss, and David DeAngelo are earlier Gen X'ers (late 1960s-early 1970s births). Rollo Tomassi (not a PUA) is also an early Gen X'er (late 1960s). Roosh was born in 1979, making him a late Gen X'er.

There are men that turn to PUA to do better in the earlier stages of interactions. PUA can be taken further. I agree that more men are more relationship oriented than constantly spinning plates oriented. PUA can help with having more successful approaches and getting laid within the first few dates. PUA is not relationship management.

Some men have the point of view that all romantic relationships are transient and have a shelf life of goodness, no matter how long they last. Longevity is not an indicator of quality. I know men in their mid to late 30s who've been with the same woman ~10 years. After 10 years, it simply cannot be as good as it from the 1-3 year point in the relationship.

 

[Bigrig]

There's too much of this talk of pills. There's a wide spectrum of opinions and this just creates factions. The focus should be on what's best for each individual

 

[SargeMaximus]

This is true for the manosphere as it is true for society in general when it comes to social constructs. People get caught up in ideologies (religion, politics, social trends, etc) and simply forget to be decent human beings.

So simple, yet it alludes us.

Everyone has a different definition of “decent human being” as well

 

[Bigrig]

This is true for the manosphere as it is true for society in general when it comes to social constructs. People get caught up in ideologies (religion, politics, social trends, etc) and simply forget to be decent human beings.

So simple, yet it alludes us.

It's our tribal nature