Why Marriage Doesn't Really Make Sense Anymore

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Taxes, kids and commitment aren’t strong enough reasons to get married.

  • Marriage is waning in popularity in contemporary culture.
  • The advantages previously associated with marriage — such as tax breaks, financial support, and stability for children — are no longer relevant in many circumstances.
  • When making the decision whether or not to get married, disregard societal opinion and follow your instinct.
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Your relationships will come with a time limit then. Regardless of what people think, most women want to be married someday.

In the eyes of many women, any long relationship that doesn't end in marriage is a waste of their time.
 
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Many people believe that all romantic relationships have a shelf life of goodness. I have proposed the idea on here many times that the shelf life of goodness of a romantic relationships is about 5 years and that's with a good frame.

Plenty of relationships last well beyond the 5 year point. @Barrister made a point earlier this week that too many people judge quality of romantic relationships based on longevity. There are way too many 10+ or 20+ year long relationships that are somewhere between subpar to mediocre in quality. A 10+ year long relationship means nothing, but married people love it when people celebrate their longevity.
 

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Your relationships will come with a time limit then. Regardless of what people think, most women want to be married someday.

In the eyes of many women, any long relationship that doesn't end in marriage is a waste of their time.
The problem is that women want to be married in a serial monogamy way, and want to be able to, if they happen to age really badly, have the marriage as a memetic backstop to having a still high Sexual Market Value husband stick around - and of course the financial backstop in the currency of child-support & alimony. IOW, it's almost like having a put option if their own Sexual Market Value has a steep decline (fellow active stock investors will know what I am talking about here :)).
 

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The problem is that women want to be married in a serial monogamy way, and want to be able to, if they happen to age really badly, have the marriage as a memetic backstop to having a still high Sexual Market Value husband stick around - and of course the financial backstop in the currency of child-support & alimony. IOW, it's almost like having a put option if their own Sexual Market Value has a steep decline (fellow active stock investors will know what I am talking about here :)).
It's more of a problem because the men don't properly vet women they are going to marry or ignore obvious major red flags. That alone would likely prevent over half the horror stories.
 

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It's more of a problem because the men don't properly vet women they are going to marry or ignore obvious major red flags. That alone would likely prevent over half the horror stories.
I've only had 2 women that were really into me - and it was like the Entziero Iruña*.

(* I use the Euskara term here rather than the imperial one for the Running of the Bulls in Pamplona.)
 

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Taxes, kids and commitment aren’t strong enough reasons to get married.

  • Marriage is waning in popularity in contemporary culture.
  • The advantages previously associated with marriage — such as tax breaks, financial support, and stability for children — are no longer relevant in many circumstances.
  • When making the decision whether or not to get married, disregard societal opinion and follow your instinct.
———

Thoughts?
Seems to be a dead link. Here is one that is still breathing:
 

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Taxes, kids and commitment aren’t strong enough reasons to get married.

  • Marriage is waning in popularity in contemporary culture.
  • The advantages previously associated with marriage — such as tax breaks, financial support, and stability for children — are no longer relevant in many circumstances.
  • When making the decision whether or not to get married, disregard societal opinion and follow your instinct.
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True on all counts. Getting married (especially for men) is no longer a rational choice.
 

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To reiterate the point that @SW15 mentioned, no, longevity doesn't count for anything. Many blue pilled men stay in bad marriages for years, decades....sometimes their entire LIVES. Number of years a relationship go, by itself, doesn't indicate the health of the relationship.

I think the problem with marriage is that many women see getting the ring as the finish line. Once they have the ring and have signed the marriage contract, their true nature comes out. We preach screening appropriately on here to lessen the chances of these surprises, but in reality it can be impossible to know how a woman will change after marriage, and especially after a child is born. Relationships that were good where the woman respected the man as the leader can drastically change overnight (literally) in these circumstances and there isn't much a man can sometimes do about it, even if he is 100% red pilled and has laid the proper foundation for his frame in said relationship. It is why so many men are so against marriage now. There is very little payoff and a huge risk.

The only way I think it makes sense is if you are wanting kids. And only then with the right women who also wants kids and has almost the same exact values you do.
 

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Your relationships will come with a time limit then. Regardless of what people think, most women want to be married someday.

In the eyes of many women, any long relationship that doesn't end in marriage is a waste of their time.
Is that really a bad thing?
 

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To reiterate the point that @SW15 mentioned, no, longevity doesn't count for anything. Many blue pilled men stay in bad marriages for years, decades....sometimes their entire LIVES. Number of years a relationship go, by itself, doesn't indicate the health of the relationship.

I think the problem with marriage is that many women see getting the ring as the finish line. Once they have the ring and have signed the marriage contract, their true nature comes out. We preach screening appropriately on here to lessen the chances of these surprises, but in reality it can be impossible to know how a woman will change after marriage, and especially after a child is born. Relationships that were good where the woman respected the man as the leader can drastically change overnight (literally) in these circumstances and there isn't much a man can sometimes do about it, even if he is 100% red pilled and has laid the proper foundation for his frame in said relationship. It is why so many men are so against marriage now. There is very little payoff and a huge risk.

The only way I think it makes sense is if you are wanting kids. And only then with the right women who also wants kids and has almost the same exact values you do.
It's simply human nature for women to change after marriage and kids. The primary purpose of marriage is legal financial protection for women and their children. Once they've secured that protection, who could blame them for changing their behavior?
 

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longevity doesn't count for anything. Many blue pilled men stay in bad marriages for years, decades....sometimes their entire LIVES. Number of years a relationship go, by itself, doesn't indicate the health of the relationship.
Yes, this is accurate and cannot be stressed enough. Too many people believe longevity is an indicator of quality.

I think the problem with marriage is that many women see getting the ring as the finish line. Once they have the ring and have signed the marriage contract, their true nature comes out. We preach screening appropriately on here to lessen the chances of these surprises, but in reality it can be impossible to know how a woman will change after marriage, and especially after a child is born. Relationships that were good where the woman respected the man as the leader can drastically change overnight (literally) in these circumstances and there isn't much a man can sometimes do about it, even if he is 100% red pilled and has laid the proper foundation for his frame in said relationship. It is why so many men are so against marriage now. There is very little payoff and a huge risk.
This is an important point and one I hadn't fully considered. I agree that women see getting the ring as the finish line.

There are many times when a marriage fails when an outsider asks the person in the failed relationship about pre-marital screening for the bad characteristics that ruined the marriage. It's extremely difficult to do this screening. You're correct that women change after the wedding day and after the babies are born. Men change too. It's often the loss of frame and furthering of more beta male characteristics displayed as the relationship goes on. Men have a way of becoming more beta from their starting point as long term relationships go on.

The only way I think it makes sense is if you are wanting kids. And only then with the right women who also wants kids and has almost the same exact values you do.
Soon after one of my friends got married, I asked him why he got married. Prior to when he proposed marriage to his girlfriend, he was already living together with her. He could have stayed living with her until the relationship ended. He said that the whole reason for getting married was to have kids, and they eventually had kids. I have no idea if they will last until their first child turns 18. It doesn't seem probable. Living together before marriage is associated with an increased risk of divorce.
 

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Read any number of studies done on it. It's been shown that women mainly benefit financially while men mainly benefit from a health and longevity standpoint. Repeatedly.
False. Men who get married live longer because women sexually reject genetically inferior men.

If the 6'4" star QB is more likely to be in a relationship than the socially awkward 5'6" nerd, should we conclude being in a relationship is more likely to make you a star QB?
 

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Most relationships don’t last past a couple months nowadays. How you gonna get married when she keeps jumping around from dude to dude every couple months? They all begin the same way too, meet and take a whole bunch of pics to post on social media the first few weeks. Get all your likes and comments, go on expensive trips, then suddenly breakup after 2-4 months, complain about being single and men and then start it all over. Who wants to keep investing in that toxic ****? Not me.
 
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