Unpopular Opinion: Body Count Doesn't Matter

[HaleyBaron]

By your username, I'm assuming that you are female.

Hell no.

How do you personally feel about the way women with high counts are labeled by society? Do you believe that a medium-to-high body count woman can be a better long-term partner than a woman with a low body count? Why or why not?

Women with high counts are sluts. Pure and simple. Used goods. Donezo.

They are worse as long term partners cause you cannot save a ho.

A woman with low body count has higher loyalty because she still is sane enough from little breakups. Which is why virgins are still the most valued in society. Untouched and unspoiled.

 

[Stuffnu]

Don’t get confused between a girl with experience versus a semen demon.
As your get older, preference will steer you towards those that no longer require training wheels compared to those who ride with flat tires.

 

[Juan_Man]

Don’t get confused between a girl with experience versus a semen demon.
As your get older, preference will steer you towards those that no longer require training wheels compared to those who ride with flat tires.

How much experience is too much experience?

 

[Juan_Man]

Hell no.

My mistake. I apologize.

You don't think that virgins cheat?

 

[HaleyBaron]

My mistake. I apologize.

You don't think that virgins cheat?

They can cheat. But sex changes a woman's mind. And more of it with different partners changes it even more.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

I'm simply saying that a medium-to-high body count woman, in today's dating climate, is realistically the better choice for a relationship than a little-to-zero body count woman. The latter is more likely to blindside you in the relationship than the former because the carousel ride is too tempting.

Well like I said, there are too many variables.

However, guys who think the only thing that matters is notches WILL be blindsided, because they have created a narrative in their head and projected it onto the girl. "She's a virgin, she'll never cheat" is just another pedestal. Yes, if a guy tries to lock down a virgin at 18-20 then she will be tempted and go out to get side d!ck eventually. It's female nature. Unless the man is extreme Alpha but most guys here aren't.

This has more to do with how you lead a woman, regardless. So I wouldn't say a medium/high bc chick is a better bet. Life is not a horse track.

What I'm saying is the attitude a lot of RP guys have will fail them even with a virgin. They'll rely on hand picked stats and 1950s fiction to reassure them that their sweet princess won't cheat. Same goes for a high count chick. "She got it out of her system, she'll settle down now." It's just a man made narrative. Group think and stats won't help a bad frame. Virgins and bar skanks are responding to the same prompts.

Lead the girl. Most will follow. If she goes out to get some strange, make your decision what to do about it.

 

[anonymous12345]

Corey Wayne's video above is good. Here's a recent related thread:

HB9 extreme sh1t test/infidel

A HB9 added me on fb last year, we’ve been chatting. She’s 32, so approaching the wall, and on the hunt for a “husband”, apparently found me beta enough for that. From her social media she’s extremely validation seeking (glamour pictures) and it was also clear she’s a slut: “My city X is very...

www.sosuave.net

 

[anonymous12345]

I got a project which is a HB high body count girl, and I for practical purposes here assume she's still interested. I'm faced with 3 aspects:

Whether a relationship will hold. Corey's video above is good on that. This is approachable for me, I believe my psychological skills and self control is good enough for determining whether she's trustworthy and be able to walk if necessary. I agree with above posts, there are women with active sex lives that can function in LTRs, although studies seem to indicate it however is unlikely.

The shame of a high body count girl. One girl I was with talked about me peeing her. After our relationship she married a guy. Must be fun for him to run into me. Same for me with the HB, she's slept with large parts of her city, she'll have to dodge around if I visit. Her men will laugh at me, in same way I can laugh at the man that the girl later married. The horrors of (female) nature..

But what bothers me most is that I don't match this girl, I'm currently not man enough. I don't match her body count and don't have the game skills/are man enough for being on par. And that's what would make any relationship a "beta cuck" thing. Showstopper. Wise words.

Last point is why I'm here. I don't care that much about any particular HB/girl, I care about me, I want to acquire the game skills to get the romantic life I want, in a solid manner.

 

[Stanley]

This is a big post, (I did not write it)
but it seems pertinent to the discussion taking place. Many ask "wHeRe ArE tHe StUDiEs"? Well I came across this comment which I condensed and pasted here. Take this data for what you will, but the empiricism behind the claim of sexual promiscuity and issues within ltrs and infedlity for women is... pretty cut and dry frankly....
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Factors found to facilitate infidelity

Number of sex partners: Greater number of sex partners before marriage predicts infidelity

As might be expected, attitudes toward infidelity specifically, permissive attitudes toward sex more generally and a greater willingness to have casual sex and to engage in sex without closeness, commitment or love (i.e., a more unrestricted sociosexual orientation) are also reliably related to infidelity (pg.71)

Fincham, F. D., & May, R. W. (2017). Infidelity in romantic relationships. Current opinion in psychology, 13, 70–74.

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Men apparently assess and evaluate levels of sexual activity by a woman prior to long-term commitment—behavior that would have been observable or known through social reputation in the small-group lifestyles of our ancestors. Past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior, and having a large number of sex partners prior to marriage is a statistical predictor of infidelity after marriage (pg.92)

Buss, D. M., & Schmitt, D. P. (2019). Mate preferences and their behavioral manifestations. Annual Review of Psychology, 70, 77–110.

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the odds ratio of 1.13 for lifetime sexual partners obtained with the face-to-face mode of interview indicates that the probability of infidelity increased by 13% for every additional lifetime sexual partner (pg.150)

Whisman, M. A., & Snyder, D. K. (2007). Sexual infidelity in a national survey of American women: Differences in prevalence and correlates as a function of method of assessment. Journal of Family Psychology, 21(2), 147–154.

promiscuity is in fact a good predictor of infidelity. Indeed, promiscuity among females accounted for almost twice as much variance in infidelity (r2 = .45) as it did for males (r2 = .25). (pg.177)

Hughes, S. M., & Gallup, G. G., Jr. (2003). Sex differences in morphological predictors of sexual behavior: Shoulder to hip and waist to hip ratios. Evolution and Human Behavior, 24(3), 173–178.

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Each additional sex partner between age 18 and the first union increased the net odds of infidelity by 1% (pg.56)

Treas, J., & Giesen, D. (2000). Sexual Infidelity Among Married and Cohabiting Americans. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62(1), 48–60.

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Sexual promiscuity was significantly positively correlated with emotional promiscuity [r(356) = .261, p < .001], as well with sexual infidelity [r(323) = .595, p < .001] and emotional infidelity [r(323) = .676, p < .001] (pg.390)

Pinto, R., & Arantes, J. (2017). The Relationship between Sexual and Emotional Promiscuity and Infidelity. Athens Journal of Social Sciences, 4(4), 385–398.

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Regarding other sexual behaviors, we examined whether number of prior sex partners and viewing pornography predicted ESI. As has been found in prior research (Feldman & Cauffman, 1999; Treas & Giesen, 2000), having had more prior sex partners predicted future ESI (pg.12)

Maddox Shaw, A. M., Rhoades, G. K., Allen, E. S., Stanley, S. M., & Markman, H. J. (2013). Predictors of Extradyadic Sexual Involvement in Unmarried Opposite-Sex Relationships. Journal of Sex Research, 50(6), 598–610.

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When compared with their peers who report fewer partners, those who self-report 20 or more in their lifetime are:

• Twice as likely to have ever been divorced (50 percent vs. 27 percent)

• Three times as likely to have cheated while married

• Substantially less happy with life (p < 0.05) (pg.88-89)

Regnerus, M. (2017). Cheap sex: The transformation of men, marriage, and monogamy.

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women who had more experience with short-term relationships in the past (i.e., those with high Behavior facet scores) were more likely to have multiple sexual partners and unstable relationships in the future. The behaviorally expressed level of sociosexuality thus seems to be a fairly stable personal characteristic. (pg.1131)

Penke, L., & Asendorpf, J. B. (2008). Beyond global sociosexual orientations: a more differentiated look at sociosexuality and its effects on courtship and romantic relationships. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 95(5), 1113–1135.

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Generally speaking, respondents who report extensive premarital sexual experience report extensive extramarital activity. Measures of the locus of first intercourse and number of premarital partners show positive associations with (1) rating one's marriage as less happy than average, (2) the number of different extramarital partners, and (3) the intention to participate in mate-swapping activities. (pg.221-222)

Athanasiou, R., & Sarkin, R. (1974). Premarital sexual behavior and postmarital adjustment. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 3(3), 207–225.

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The findings from this study demonstrate that the number of sexual partners participants had was negatively associated with sexual quality, communication, and relationship stability, and for one age cohort relationship satisfaction, even when controlling for a wide range of variables including education, religiosity, and relationship length. (pg.715)

Busby, D. M., Willoughby, B. J., & Carroll, J. S. (2013). Sowing wild oats: Valuable experience or a field full of weeds? Personal Relationships, 20(4), 706–718.

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As predicted, such factors as sexual permissiveness, an avoidant romantic style, number of romantic relationships, and early onset of sexual intercourse were all correlated with a higher incidence of betrayal behaviors. These factors are likely to promote sexual activity with a larger number of partners, which, in turn, increases the chance that betrayal will occur. (pg.247)

Feldman, S. S., & Cauffman, E. (1999). Your cheatin' heart: Attitudes, behaviors, and correlates of sexual betrayal in late adolescents. Journal of Research on Adolescence, 9(3), 227–252.

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There was a strong association between number of sexual partners and having an STD: those women with 5 or more sexual partners were 8 times more likely to report having an STD than those with only 1 partner, even after adjusting for age at first intercourse

Joffe, G. P., Foxman, B., Schmidt, A. J., Farris, K. B., Carter, R. J., Neumann, S., Tolo, K. A., & Walters, A. M. (1992). Multiple partners and partner choice as risk factors for sexually transmitted disease among female college students. Sexually transmitted diseases, 19(5), 272–278.

An indicator of whether or not the respondent has had previous sex partners is included and identifies the number of male sex partners the woman had previous to her relationship with her current primary partner… A history of numerous sex partners indicates a pattern or habit of sexual behavior that we expect will negatively influence sexual exclusivity in the current relationship. (pg.37)

Having previous sexual partners greatly increased the likelihood that a woman would have a secondary sex partner. In particular, a woman with 4 or more male sex partners prior to her primary relationship was about 8.5 times more likely to have a secondary sex partnerthan a woman with no previous sex partners… Having previous sex partners also increased the likelihood that dating and married women would have secondary sex partners. In particular, married women with 4 or more previous partners were 20 times more likely to have secondary sex partners than married women with no previous sex partners (pg.41)

Forste, R., & Tanfer, K. (1996). Sexual exclusivity among dating, cohabiting, and married women. Journal of Marriage and the Family, 58(1), 33–47.

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And this is why I don't feel like committing lol

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Sex studies = self-reporting = ASD = mostly unreliable. We are talking about sociology. I can find studies that say the opposite so it's just confirmation bias.

But it really doesn't matter. If a man feels safe I suppose he'll be fine.

Bottom line is that monogamy is unnatural for both sexes. Taking a side piece will probably make you a better lover and partner in the long run, if you are committed.

 

[redskinsfan92]

Well like I said, there are too many variables.

However, guys who think the only thing that matters is notches WILL be blindsided, because they have created a narrative in their head and projected it onto the girl. "She's a virgin, she'll never cheat" is just another pedestal. Yes, if a guy tries to lock down a virgin at 18-20 then she will be tempted and go out to get side d!ck eventually. It's female nature. Unless the man is extreme Alpha but most guys here aren't.

This has more to do with how you lead a woman, regardless. So I wouldn't say a medium/high bc chick is a better bet. Life is not a horse track.

What I'm saying is the attitude a lot of RP guys have will fail them even with a virgin. They'll rely on hand picked stats and 1950s fiction to reassure them that their sweet princess won't cheat. Same goes for a high count chick. "She got it out of her system, she'll settle down now." It's just a man made narrative. Group think and stats won't help a bad frame. Virgins and bar skanks are responding to the same prompts.

Lead the girl. Most will follow. If she goes out to get some strange, make your decision what to do about it.

This is a straw man

 

[Millard Fillmore]

This is a straw man

Summarizing what's being said here by some. Greater point is, lead and have frame.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Summarizing what's being said here by some. Greater point is, lead and have frame.

What? No matter how much frame you have, it still doesn't stop the girl from having a high body count. We're not talking leading or whatever here. We're talking the value of a girl in general. At least I am. A virgin girl is always valuable compared to a girl with high body counts. All women cheat, but women with high body counts have higher maintenance. They also are most likely to cheat cause that's how they always lived their lives.

Virgins and low body count (1-2): good.
Women who ****ed multiple men: bad.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

What? No matter how much frame you have, it still doesn't stop the girl from having a high body count. We're not talking leading or whatever here. We're talking the value of a girl in general. At least I am. A virgin girl is always valuable compared to a girl with high body counts. All women cheat, but women with high body counts have higher maintenance. They also are most likely to cheat cause that's how they always lived their lives.

Virgins and low body count (1-2): good.
Women who ****ed multiple men: bad.

I wasn't very clear. I meant if you are with a virgin or whatever, don't be worried about that stuff. It's the guys who who treat them like unicorns who get burned. She's not "good" IMO. That can lead to simping. No matter how "good" you think she is, she'll eventually get bored so a guy's gotta keep her on her toes. But then I'm not a believer in monogamy, most couples fukk around, it's just a fact of life and I think guys are deluding themselves with these Disney princess sociology studies. She'll go for some strange sooner or later. AWALT.

 

[Divorced w 3]

This is a big post, (I did not write it)
but it seems pertinent to the discussion taking place. Many ask "wHeRe ArE tHe StUDiEs"? Well I came across this comment which I condensed and pasted here. Take this data for what you will, but the empiricism behind the claim of sexual promiscuity and issues within ltrs and infedlity for women is... pretty cut and dry frankly....
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________



Fincham, F. D., & May, R. W. (2017). Infidelity in romantic relationships. Current opinion in psychology, 13, 70–74.

.


Buss, D. M., & Schmitt, D. P. (2019). Mate preferences and their behavioral manifestations. Annual Review of Psychology, 70, 77–110.

.


Whisman, M. A., & Snyder, D. K. (2007). Sexual infidelity in a national survey of American women: Differences in prevalence and correlates as a function of method of assessment. Journal of Family Psychology, 21(2), 147–154.



Hughes, S. M., & Gallup, G. G., Jr. (2003). Sex differences in morphological predictors of sexual behavior: Shoulder to hip and waist to hip ratios. Evolution and Human Behavior, 24(3), 173–178.

.


Treas, J., & Giesen, D. (2000). Sexual Infidelity Among Married and Cohabiting Americans. Journal of Marriage and Family, 62(1), 48–60.

.


Pinto, R., & Arantes, J. (2017). The Relationship between Sexual and Emotional Promiscuity and Infidelity. Athens Journal of Social Sciences, 4(4), 385–398.

.


Maddox Shaw, A. M., Rhoades, G. K., Allen, E. S., Stanley, S. M., & Markman, H. J. (2013). Predictors of Extradyadic Sexual Involvement in Unmarried Opposite-Sex Relationships. Journal of Sex Research, 50(6), 598–610.

.





Regnerus, M. (2017). Cheap sex: The transformation of men, marriage, and monogamy.

.


Penke, L., & Asendorpf, J. B. (2008). Beyond global sociosexual orientations: a more differentiated look at sociosexuality and its effects on courtship and romantic relationships. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 95(5), 1113–1135.

.


Athanasiou, R., & Sarkin, R. (1974). Premarital sexual behavior and postmarital adjustment. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 3(3), 207–225.

.


Busby, D. M., Willoughby, B. J., & Carroll, J. S. (2013). Sowing wild oats: Valuable experience or a field full of weeds? Personal Relationships, 20(4), 706–718.

.


Feldman, S. S., & Cauffman, E. (1999). Your cheatin' heart: Attitudes, behaviors, and correlates of sexual betrayal in late adolescents. Journal of Research on Adolescence, 9(3), 227–252.

.


Joffe, G. P., Foxman, B., Schmidt, A. J., Farris, K. B., Carter, R. J., Neumann, S., Tolo, K. A., & Walters, A. M. (1992). Multiple partners and partner choice as risk factors for sexually transmitted disease among female college students. Sexually transmitted diseases, 19(5), 272–278.



Forste, R., & Tanfer, K. (1996). Sexual exclusivity among dating, cohabiting, and married women. Journal of Marriage and the Family, 58(1), 33–47.

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And this is why I don't feel like committing lol

1: only post in the thread that’s worth a damn. Data is data. Thank you.

2: do you have a link?

 

[Divorced w 3]

This thread should be in general discussion.

If you ask a forum for answers, you’re going to get as many opinions as there are people contributing.

Anti-Dump’s Machine should be stickied at the top of this forum.

It is an action-based system, that when taken properly, require the woman to commit to providing definitive answers and results.

It would solve issues such as this. Issues such as ‘am I dating a quality girl’ are answered unequivocally in this system.

The system even foresaw this particular emotional issue by making her say ‘I Love You’ first.

The addition of data is helpful here too. Data tells the truth. It’s the readers job to take the truth and form the narrative of their particular situation around the facts.

 

[Stanley]

1: only post in the thread that’s worth a damn. Data is data. Thank you.

2: do you have a link?

I can try and find it, I think I found it off reddit, but I grabbed it a few days ago at 3am so memory is blurry

 

[devilkingx2]

I see a high body count as a red flag and not as a deal breaker.

If she's actually a cheater or unable to be in a stable relationship with just one man or completely reckless and impulsive those are the deal breakers.

But I wouldn't want a woman who's too boring, vanilla or prudish. I want to have fun and party and have a great sex life with any girl I date no matter how serious.

Most of the women I know who I believe to have low body counts are either workaholics or very introverted.

If a guy is like 40 and he's already lived and no longer desires to travel the world, party hard & have fun, or have wild kinky sex all the time then I completely understand wanting to settle down with a girl who has no desire for such stimulation either.

I see girls with the medium-to-high body counts almost like retired professional athletes, who got their stats and had their shining moments but are now tired of the game and are ready to move on to another phase of their lives.

Even as a guy that's okay with girls who like casual sex and parties, I'd never want a girl whose slutty phase is over when she meets me. Thats like paying full price for a used race car that you're not even allowed to race anymore.

I'd pay full price for a racecar that has already been tricked out for me so it's ready for me to be a tournament champion off the lot. (That would be the girl with a wild past who can't wait to have a bunch of threesomes with me)

 

[Ricky]

This thread should be in general discussion.

If you ask a forum for answers, you’re going to get as many opinions as there are people contributing.

Anti-Dump’s Machine should be stickied at the top of this forum.

It is an action-based system, that when taken properly, require the woman to commit to providing definitive answers and results.

It would solve issues such as this. Issues such as ‘am I dating a quality girl’ are answered unequivocally in this system.

The system even foresaw this particular emotional issue by making her say ‘I Love You’ first.

The addition of data is helpful here too. Data tells the truth. It’s the readers job to take the truth and form the narrative of their particular situation around the facts.

A reminder for me to read this

 

[Gamisch]

A good loyal woman has the same worth as a male billionaire.

If a young somewhat good looking virging would join the forum ( sacramente ahum) men would almost fight each other to claim her. Especially if she is a young virgin. Its such a unique feature that it's worth a lotta...value . Remeber when those women sold their virginity to the highest bidder?

There's a real small window of opportunity to get and keep such a woman. First of all imo it has to happen befor you reach 25, perhaps even 22 as a man. And, as described above, even if you manage to find one you never know if and when she wants to ride the CC. All it takes is one slvtty niece, sister, bff, nicky minach, article or movie to inspire her to 304 it out.

Chasing women with low counts after you hit 30 imo is ludacris. Unless you are a talent at day /night game, which allows you to select more critically. If you depend upon OLD ,you probably have to ne satisfied with whatever comes your way.