For those of you who don't have any FWB's or Plates, What do you believe is stopping you?

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If we're going to be in this community, let's stop posting garbage that paints women in a bad light and instead start focusing on empowering the men in here to fix their flaws and become better.

Here's my take on why I think some of you aren't spinning plates:
1) You go for women out of your league
2) You are not making yourself available. Probably spending most of your time between work and home/ not social enough
3) You are taking the easy route which is a hard route for alot of people: Online Dating/ Dating Apps-- but not taking the time to hire a photographer to take some great photos of you in different attire/different settings -while lacking good quality photos to share-- or perhaps not knowing how the algorithm works

A small reminder about dating apps: The more you swipe right on girls who are out of your league and not likely to also swipe right on you, the more you get pushed back and appear less to women. This is why its important to focus on girls that you think you can get starting out. and never jus swipe right on everything

4) Just not happy with yourself/insecure/ or feel that you're lacking social skills..
5) or Inexperienced to the point of just feeling like you don't know what to do to get or escalate with women or keep them in your life.


Hopefully some of us (including myself) will help and add insight and do our best to give you advice on what we think might help you.
 

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I’ve been rejected more by women I deemed on my level or below me than I ever have women I deemed above me. So that’s why I tend to aim high. My problem right now is I’m lazy. A lifetime of bad experiences with women just had me burnt out. And it’s so weird because being in this mindset right now, I always notice women checking me out and making eye contact or holding eye contact and smiling. I just don’t feel like going through the motions that society had turned modern dating into these days though. Would I like a fwb or plates? Sure. But I’ve gone this long without much success so it doesn’t bother me at this point in life. I’m just tired of the game.
 

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for me it's 2 things
one of them you mentioned in point #4, not happy with yourself, being insecure
the other one is something you didn't mention. I just don't want it. I don't like most women, I have no respect for them as humans. like what's her biggest life struggle? this one time she got locked out of her facebook and she had to figure out how to get back in. that's her biggest life struggle, not immigration, not having to learn a new language, not getting her masters while working.
I think they are stupid and I have nothing to say to them. I can't relate to them, I can't understand them and they will never understand me.
I would rather pay a prostitute and get it done with than talk to most women.
 

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I’ve been rejected more by women I deemed on my level or below me than I ever have women I deemed above me. So that’s why I tend to aim high. My problem right now is I’m lazy. A lifetime of bad experiences with women just had me burnt out. And it’s so weird because being in this mindset right now, I always notice women checking me out and making eye contact or holding eye contact and smiling. I just don’t feel like going through the motions that society had turned modern dating into these days though. Would I like a fwb or plates? Sure. But I’ve gone this long without much success so it doesn’t bother me at this point in life. I’m just tired of the game.
Normies can sometimes have it harder than sub5s since you get allot of low to moderate interest women that just wastes your time and jump ships to chad/chadlite or makes too easy for them that some normies would give up withna two tiered level of difficulty mode. Sub5s tend to just avoid all that bs. So at least I can say that I am not burned out by any bad experience.
 

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For me it was a fear of succeeding. I wasn't afraid of rejection, but more so how I could lose sight of what is important to me if I got too involved.

Went from having no action to quite a bit in a very short period and had a fwb develop 'the feels' so I let her go. Felt drained and took a break from it, that and dealing with a BPD not long ago. Should be moved out in a bit and will be back to it over the summer, needed the break to have my head screwed on right.
 
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Yeah Good Looking Loser once said: “Don’t be the virgin that only dates Tens”. That changed my whole game and outlook. I swallowed my pride and focused on women that responded to me
 

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let's stop posting garbage that paints women in a bad light
Naw, I’ll continue to call it how I see it.

1. I talk to them like normal human beings.
Know to pick up on signs of interest.
No signs of interest on her end, no big deal.
She remembers me and opens me with a
“Hey Macadellic”

2. I have a well balanced life.

3. I update my OLD as I continue to travel, go on adventures pertaining to my interests and hobbies.

4. I’m happy with the life I have built for myself.

5. Not me.
I just cancelled on two dates with two different women this week.
 

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I'm not charismatic/witty enough and my looks aren't good enough to make up for that.
 

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Honestly, it's been literally years since I asked out a woman, let alone went on date. I was having a lot of bad experiences for a few years and I had my last real date something like late spring/early summer 2019, which lead to nothing. I think I had continued trying here and there but took a break fall of 2019 for the sake of my mental health. The COVID lockdowns commence and next thing I know it's 2023 lol.

One thing that I know believe is that isolation, loneliness, etc. can become addictive and can eventually prevent people from trying to date, make friends, etc. I look back on 2020 as a huge year for me, there were just so many changes from pre lockdowns compared to the end of 2020. By late 2020/early 2021 I was completely isolated in my area and had no one I knew. I cut out just about everyone I used to hang out with, looking back I had outgrown them and they offered no real benefit to my life plus were fake. I then became very comfortable just being on my own and doing what I wanted to do. Given enough time, you really don't want to bring anyone into your life lol. It's hard to explain the feeling, but the best way I would describe it is a feeling of being comfortable by yourself. Ironically, I'm actually very happy with my life right now, though this isn't for everyone.
 
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I'm not charismatic/witty enough and my looks aren't good enough to make up for that.
Sarcasm?
If no then take improve classes.
Women love to laugh because
if you’re funny it’s a sign of mental health.

If you are depressed, bipolar, manic d, etc.
then you are not funny and threat ie creeper
 

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I believe most men simply dont have enough decent looking girls around them, so the main factor is their environment.

The cost benefit ratio of making yourself available and worthy doesnt have an equally worthy benefit return.
 

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Sarcasm?
If no then take improve classes.
Women love to laugh because
if you’re funny it’s a sign of mental health.

If you are depressed, bipolar, manic d, etc.
then you are not funny and threat ie creeper
Not always true. Robin Williams was one of the funniest people in history and he killed himself. He had severe depression but no one ever knew it.
 

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I was rated a 3 in looks so probably that.
I would say unless you have some grotesque deformity or you're **** eyed, you'll never be ugly. I think once you start dissolving the idea that you're unattractive, you'll start to develop more of a sense of what else might be holding you back. It usually all boils down to the lack of belief in ones self -- and then there are many smaller reasons and beliefs that people utilize and hold onto to "validate" that belief that they cannot be successful with women. Its a major job to start deprogramming and also working on things that will help you look and feel more attractive and confident. But it all starts with letting go of these beliefs that are engrained within you and start reprogramming new more positive self image based ones.

I’ve been rejected more by women I deemed on my level or below me than I ever have women I deemed above me. So that’s why I tend to aim high. My problem right now is I’m lazy. A lifetime of bad experiences with women just had me burnt out. And it’s so weird because being in this mindset right now, I always notice women checking me out and making eye contact or holding eye contact and smiling. I just don’t feel like going through the motions that society had turned modern dating into these days though. Would I like a fwb or plates? Sure. But I’ve gone this long without much success so it doesn’t bother me at this point in life. I’m just tired of the game.
I would say any advice I have for you lies within your own response.. You've taken rejection and bad experiences with women and allowed it to affect your outlook on yourself and dating life. --and now that you stopped looking , you're noticing the truth is that --women are definitely attracted to you and maybe the experiences you had -had n othing to do with you and all to do with the women. I think you're in the right place in all honesty. Just keep on working on things that bring you more confidence and more experience-- and then just make it a point to be available, not to chase, not to look, but make yourself more available, whether you go out more to enjoy YOURSELF and the company of your friends, or go to music festivals, conventions, concerts, maybe make some profiles online and swipe thru without any real expectations, just focusing on the idea of "hypothetically would i see myself having a good tim ewiht htis woman? if so, swipe right. if not swipe left. -- Regardless though if you're happy, you absolutely shouldnt go out your way to change anything.. Being naturally sociable and sexually available will land you the right person eventually.

for me it's 2 things
one of them you mentioned in point #4, not happy with yourself, being insecure
the other one is something you didn't mention. I just don't want it. I don't like most women, I have no respect for them as humans. like what's her biggest life struggle? this one time she got locked out of her facebook and she had to figure out how to get back in. that's her biggest life struggle, not immigration, not having to learn a new language, not getting her masters while working.
I think they are stupid and I have nothing to say to them. I can't relate to them, I can't understand them and they will never understand me.
I would rather pay a prostitute and get it done with than talk to most women.
I mean there's no way I can convince you that women have alot of struggles and I couldn't possibly imagine being a woman wiht some of the stuff they been thru, including my own mother, close friends, etc. I think when you think of women in general you tend to think of the entitled, spoiled, bratty and superficial women. But overall, I think being insecure and not happy with yourself-- you're going to have a perspective that will always kinda see the negative over any positives -- and thus you will kinda reap bad examples and notice them more easily. Whatever your biggest insecurities are, write them down in a fresh notebook and make a simple plan to start overcoming them. Even if it takes years to overcome them, by actually having somewhat of a plan, your brain will subconciously start to frame its way to workign on them even if you don't actively try. That's why journaling is so powerful and recommended by many successful people.

For me it was a fear of succeeding. I wasn't afraid of rejection, but more so how I could lose sight of what is important to me if I got too involved.

Went from having no action to quite a bit in a very short period and had a fwb develop 'the feels' so I let her go. Felt drained and took a break from it, that and dealing with a BPD not long ago. Should be moved out in a bit and will be back to it over the summer, needed the break to have my head screwed on right.
I feel where you're coming from. You definitely have a really sound and logical mind, and I believe you know that you can get women without too much issue-- but I think your circumstances went from 0 to 100 real quick and it might have really frazzled you without giving you much to take away from and utilize on new experiences. I would say that you're prob more capable than alot of people on here (especially since some who arent insecure and cynical toward women are older men who are past their prime) and that as long as you employ the right activities to keep your confidence high, and keep yourself sexually open and available, keep socializing , etc that you'll be just fine

Yeah Good Looking Loser once said: “Don’t be the virgin that only dates Tens”. That changed my whole game and outlook. I swallowed my pride and focused on women that responded to me
That's what it's really all about for many -- Sometimes it's even crucial for some people to take a chance with someone who they feel they won't like, because if that person likes you alot, it can still help boost your ego or make you feel wanted and desired or at least add to your sexual experiences.. thus giving you more confidence for when you do go for someone thats more of your type or that you feel is out of your league, you'll be more ready for it.

My parents they hated each other.
I can see how that might impact you. Just remember you're never doomed to be your parents. Some people do fall under the same circumstances as their parents-- but that's because they didn't take much of their own road in life and kinda just became caricatures of their parents by just following all the same paths and routes. Sometimes you gotta take the back road, you'll never know what you'll find

I'm not charismatic/witty enough and my looks aren't good enough to make up for that.
Focus on what your strengths are and utilize those strengths to gain more experience in general and think about things you can do to improve your confidence. As far as looks, unless you hae some grotesque deformities, are **** eyed, or have some major skin issues, you're not ugly.. find what haircut works for you-- do simple things, if you got bushy eyebrows, a tweezer costs like 1$ u can pluck some of those hairs.. theres fixes for alot of things in the look department these days


Honestly, it's been literally years since I asked out a woman, let alone went on date. I was having a lot of bad experiences for a few years and I had my last real date something like late spring/early summer 2019, which lead to nothing. I think I had continued trying here and there but took a break fall of 2019 for the sake of my mental health. The COVID lockdowns commence and next thing I know it's 2023 lol.

One thing that I know believe is that isolation, loneliness, etc. can become addictive and can eventually prevent people from trying to date, make friends, etc. I look back on 2020 as a huge year for me, there were just so many changes from pre lockdowns compared to the end of 2020. By late 2020/early 2021 I was completely isolated in my area and had no one I knew. I cut out just about everyone I used to hang out
I totally get where you're coming from and really it just seems like you steeped yourself into a real comfort zone -- I think that you know that you are capable of spinning plates or finding women to have sex with, but it's just been a while and the experiences you had were just not captivating enough to hold you over for the years of being forced into introversion due to COVID and just not having too many people around. As long as you do feel happy and are confident in yourself-- the rest is planning or getting back into the fold of socializing and beginning to make yourself available. All it might take is just one good friend to go out with you more often or do cool stuff with to really get the ball rolling.. but then again, you can always hit stuff up yourself like concerts-- so many ppl go to concerts alone.. and often end up meeting someone or just having a great time.

But no matter what you're doing, always have at least 1 or 2 hobbies of a progressive nature, ie: fitness/working on your body and something like learning / becoming better at basketball, or an instrument, or some form of expression or even financial avenue
 

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I did countless approaches over the last year at the mall I worked at. It was a tourist area so 99% of the girls were on vacation and that's the main reason I didn't have a whole rotation built up.

At my next job I hope to find a busy area with more locals so I can approach the same amount of women and actually have a rotation of like 5 plates.
 

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I did countless approaches over the last year at the mall I worked at. It was a tourist area so 99% of the girls were on vacation and that's the main reason I didn't have a whole rotation built up.

At my next job I hope to find a busy area with more locals so I can approach the same amount of women and actually have a rotation of like 5 plates.
Ay i kinda relate to this.. cept where I worked last year wasn't exactly a mall. but it was a huge department store with like 4 stories. one time we had some big wig management level people in there and i overheard them say just the first floor was 170,000 sq foot. The place was huge and felt like a Mall because it also had other stores in there like a Pandora, FinishLine, a taco place, Lenscrafters, etc and some of the departments had their own counters for big brands/luxury brands.

It was amazing man, goldmine to speak to women.. got fired though cuz some bitter chick. Funny thing she texted me recently, 4 1/2 months after I got fired but i just ignored her. It really helped to have common ground as an employee though.. made things so easy to talk to other employees in various departments--

wouldnt recommend for anyone unless they work in a similar environment and can afford to lose a job if anything goes wrong lol.. nothing would have ever happened in my scenario had this chick not been a bit crazy and emotionally invested
 
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