Who Is The Best To Learn Day Game From?

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Hey guys, my first thread here.

so i came here after finding SOME of @Velasco writing interesting...

Unfortunately, there's little stuff here or anywhere else on DAY GAME in the PUA community. Night game(bars & clubs) and social circle seem to get WAAAYYYY more love than day game. Even online game too is getting more of that


So i was wondering if you knew any good coaches or resources to learn daygame in detail just like other night game courses out there?


Thanks
 

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Check out Roosh V's PDF Day Bang. There's also Daygame: A Street Seducer’s Journey, Tom Torero.

It's also a lot about just having social skills. Practice, take in input, reflect, change and improve.

I've done so much day game (got lousy stats though), that I've grown problems such as being too bold/direct in various situations, because I'm so used to talking to strangers, while they aren't.
 

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Unfortunately, there's little stuff here or anywhere else on DAY GAME in the PUA community. Night game(bars & clubs) and social circle seem to get WAAAYYYY more love than day game. Even online game too is getting more of that.

So i was wondering if you knew any good coaches or resources to learn daygame in detail just like other night game courses out there?
I would disagree that there's not a lot of stuff out there about daygame. There are plenty of articles, books, and videos out there about daygame. Your perception makes sense because approaching strangers in non-bar venues is considered more of a niche activity as compared to nightlife venue approaching and tech-based methods of arranging dates.

Daygame has been my primary form of game since the early 2010s, when I read Roosh's "Day Bang". I had heard of day game as early as the mid-2000s, when I heard stories about guys going to yoga classes to pick up women. I never found a guide to day game up until I encountered Roosh's "Day Bang". Roosh converted to Orthodox Christianity in the late 2010s and began denouncing pre-marital sex and picking up women. There might still be copies of it around the internet in some form. Nick Krauser has "Daygame Mastery" and Krauser-Tom Torero (RIP) were big proponents of the London Daygame Model. Google London Daygame Model for more information on that.

YouTube channels "Playing with Fire" and Austen Summers have some daygame content.

There are enough daygame resources out there. You'll have to find one content creator that resonates with you.

Now, I'll transition on to some of my opinions on the practice of daygame.

Approaching strangers in a non-bar venue is a niche activity because it is rather difficult to do. There are higher barriers to entry. It takes some amount of courage to randomly talk to strangers without the crutch of alcohol in a bar or the comfort of sitting at home behind an electronic screen. It is a bit of Game on Hard Mode. However, it can produce some good results if done well and is likely the best option for men who want a longer term relationship but lack social circle options. It's almost impossible to do daygame and not have it be inefficient to some degree.

One advantage to daygame is that it can be done alone more easily than Game at nightlife venues. It also doesn't require late nights or alcohol consumption.

There are many venues for daygame and they all have benefits and drawbacks.

The best results from daygame will come from approaching on college campuses while you are a college student yourself. Approaching on college campuses while not a college student yourself is not going to be as good of an experience, and may actually lead to some bad outcomes. I don't recommend it, especially with other daygame alternatives. That said, approaching strangers who aren't college students in non-bar venues while you are not a student either is a more difficult task.

I'll start with discussing outdoor game. Outdoor game usually happens on a busy street in dense cities, in parks, at walking/hiking paths, or on beaches. It is the most difficult form of game out there. During the worst of the pandemic, it was the only viable form of game, due to indoor masking. For the past 12 months or so, indoor masking has been reduced so indoor daygame forms are making a comeback after a 2 year absence. In 2012, Roosh wrote about street game and it's upsides/downsides, and he called street game the most difficult venue hands down back in 2012.


Outdoor game has been devastated by smartphones and earbuds. Fewer women in any outdoor setting are even willing to talk to a man outdoors during daylight hours. Many of the earbud wearing women outdoors have boyfriends/husbands and are actively trying to reduce approaches. However, there are enough unattached women out there who are closing themselves off by wearing earbuds. Because of smartphones and earbuds, it is very difficult to get attention and to keep attention long enough to arrange dates.

After that, there's indoor daygame. Indoor daygame is done mainly in retail settings. Malls/mall stores, grocery stores, coffee shops, bookstores, and gyms/gym fitness classes are your indoor daygame options. Earbuds have made the general gym floor very difficult. Fitness classes offer the most favorable ratios for men and eliminate the general gym floor earbud problem, but women are not known to be very sociable before/after classes in most venues. The other retail store venues have their own intricacies, but are similar formats. Some men find an indoor retail format where they excel most. For me, I did the most approaches and got the most dates at grocery stores as compared to the other retail settings.
 
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Krauser-Tom Torero (RIP) were big proponent of the London Daygame Model. Google London Daygame Model for more information on that.
Disclaimer: commenting as a dude who just started learning daygame
I did hear that LDGM is quite flakey though. I remember reading through the local forums few years ago when they were still active and the guy mostly known for practicing and talking about LDGM himself admitted that his success rate was around 1-2%. And that was an experienced dude who has been observed by others to do great in clubs, he just prefered DG himself and focused his time around that.
Obviously, I still lack the comparision to the effectiveness of other daygame "styles", but I'm curious as to how do you see it.
 

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Hey guys, my first thread here.

so i came here after finding SOME of @Velasco writing interesting...

Unfortunately, there's little stuff here or anywhere else on DAY GAME in the PUA community. Night game(bars & clubs) and social circle seem to get WAAAYYYY more love than day game. Even online game too is getting more of that


So i was wondering if you knew any good coaches or resources to learn daygame in detail just like other night game courses out there?


Thanks
Look up AG Hayden on YouTube. I personally know him. He’s legit
 

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When choosing a coach be aware that most coaches teach street game. And do the infields of themselves in the street. There game is highly developed in the street not in retail stores. In my opinion street game is similar but different than retail store game.
 
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Check out Roosh V's PDF Day Bang. There's also Daygame: A Street Seducer’s Journey, Tom Torero.

It's also a lot about just having social skills. Practice, take in input, reflect, change and improve.

I've done so much day game (got lousy stats though), that I've grown problems such as being too bold/direct in various situations, because I'm so used to talking to strangers, while they aren't.
You got lousy stats because you listened to Roosh V and Torero.
 

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Hey guys, my first thread here.

so i came here after finding SOME of @Velasco writing interesting...

Unfortunately, there's little stuff here or anywhere else on DAY GAME in the PUA community. Night game(bars & clubs) and social circle seem to get WAAAYYYY more love than day game. Even online game too is getting more of that


So i was wondering if you knew any good coaches or resources to learn daygame in detail just like other night game courses out there?


Thanks
You can send me a PM, I'm a specialist.
 

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As someone whos pretty adept at cold approach.. I would say just go out as much as you can and just talk to women.. Treat them like you would any other human and just talk to them as if you're trying to get to know them, flirt with them, but make your intentions very clear off bat.. THe problem with most PUA dudes and coaches are they bull.sht the women and small talk them. NEVER DO that..

Always make your intention clear early on.. unless you're finding that you're building alot of rapport fast.. then just continue doing what you're doing--- if you notice a girl is frozen and kinda thinking , thats when u gotta let her know I thought you were cute and just wanted to come over and talk to you.. But if shes flirting back and forth, you can keep any random sht /convo, etc going without having to make it apparent why you're there.. But always keep your end goal in mind, whether thats trying to turn it into an instadate/bang right away or getting the contact and planning out a date.

While going out and approaching women as much as possible.. I'd say also start soaking up content from people doing cold approach online.. and then you can test out sht, try new sht and see how it goes for you.

I started cold approach in my teens.. We were those kids who cat called women and ran up and talked to them almost everyday since we spent most of our time outside in the neighborhood.. I don't even remember what point I got good.. just seemed like a few years back I felt like i can talk to any woman, get any girls number..

If you have any questions or want to jump on a voice call, feel free to hmu.. but not till u go out there and start
 

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Check out Roosh V's PDF Day Bang. There's also Daygame: A Street Seducer’s Journey, Tom Torero.

It's also a lot about just having social skills. Practice, take in input, reflect, change and improve.

I've done so much day game (got lousy stats though), that I've grown problems such as being too bold/direct in various situations, because I'm so used to talking to strangers, while they aren't.
Thanks a lot man

I have heard about Roosh V but not in a good light. In fact, i was specifically told that his materials suck. So surprised that you recommend

I'm familiar with Torero with the London day game model... unfortunately it's the only detailed day game model out there and it's not very effective


Anyways thanks... I'll look into that roosh v book tho just for benefit of doubt
 

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I would disagree that there's not a lot of stuff out there about daygame. There are plenty of articles, books, and videos out there about daygame. Your perception makes sense because approaching strangers in non-bar venues is considered more of a niche activity as compared to nightlife venue approaching and tech-based methods of arranging dates.

Daygame has been my primary form of game since the early 2010s, when I read Roosh's "Day Bang". I had heard of day game as early as the mid-2000s, when I heard stories about guys going to yoga classes to pick up women. I never found a guide to day game up until I encountered Roosh's "Day Bang". Roosh converted to Orthodox Christianity in the late 2010s and began denouncing pre-marital sex and picking up women. There might still be copies of it around the internet in some form. Nick Krauser has "Daygame Mastery" and Krauser-Tom Torero (RIP) were big proponents of the London Daygame Model. Google London Daygame Model for more information on that.

YouTube channels "Playing with Fire" and Austen Summers have some daygame content.

There are enough daygame resources out there. You'll have to find one content creator that resonates with you.

Now, I'll transition on to some of my opinions on the practice of daygame.

Approaching strangers in a non-bar venue is a niche activity because it is rather difficult to do. There are higher barriers to entry. It takes some amount of courage to randomly talk to strangers without the crutch of alcohol in a bar or the comfort of sitting at home behind an electronic screen. It is a bit of Game on Hard Mode. However, it can produce some good results if done well and is likely the best option for men who want a longer term relationship but lack social circle options. It's almost impossible to do daygame and not have it be inefficient to some degree.

One advantage to daygame is that it can be done alone more easily than Game at nightlife venues. It also doesn't require late nights or alcohol consumption.

There are many venues for daygame and they all have benefits and drawbacks.

The best results from daygame will come from approaching on college campuses while you are a college student yourself. Approaching on college campuses while not a college student yourself is not going to be as good of an experience, and may actually lead to some bad outcomes. I don't recommend it, especially with other daygame alternatives. That said, approaching strangers who aren't college students in non-bar venues while you are not a student either is a more difficult task.

I'll start with discussing outdoor game. Outdoor game usually happens on a busy street in dense cities, in parks, at walking/hiking paths, or on beaches. It is the most difficult form of game out there. During the worst of the pandemic, it was the only viable form of game, due to indoor masking. For the past 12 months or so, indoor masking has been reduced so indoor daygame forms are making a comeback after a 2 year absence. In 2012, Roosh wrote about street game and it's upsides/downsides, and he called street game the most difficult venue hands down back in 2012.


Outdoor game has been devastated by smartphones and earbuds. Fewer women in any outdoor setting are even willing to talk to a man outdoors during daylight hours. Many of the earbud wearing women outdoors have boyfriends/husbands and are actively trying to reduce approaches. However, there are enough unattached women out there who are closing themselves off by wearing earbuds. Because of smartphones and earbuds, it is very difficult to get attention and to keep attention long enough to arrange dates.

After that, there's indoor daygame. Indoor daygame is done mainly in retail settings. Malls/mall stores, grocery stores, coffee shops, bookstores, and gyms/gym fitness classes are your indoor daygame options. Earbuds have made the general gym floor very difficult. Fitness classes offer the most favorable ratios for men and eliminate the general gym floor earbud problem, but women are not known to be very sociable before/after classes in most venues. The other retail store venues have their own intricacies, but are similar formats. Some men find an indoor retail format where they excel most. For me, I did the most approaches and got the most dates at grocery stores as compared to the other retail settings.

Actually there isn't much on daygame as compared to night game...

I'm familiar with the LDG model but it's not very effective and it's a similar sentiment shared with other PUAs too...

Haven't heard much good stuff about krauser tho that's why i didn't bother checking his stuff out... but if it's like London daygame model (which I'm familiar with) do you think i should still check it out?


Btw, I LOVE how you differentiated it with outdoor vs indoor...

And you're right with college game.. it's been easy for me but i obviously can't continue gaming in colleges lol

Also, when I mean there's not much out there... only street game has materials or resources. And i haven't really something detailed as you would see for club or bars

Then indoor game like malls, coffee shops, stores etc have close to zero content on stuff like that


As for youtube, there's very little day game stuff ... playing with fire is mostly an online guy... and austen summers has few day game stuff
 

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You got lousy stats because you listened to Roosh V and Torero.
It's almost impossible to do daygame and not have it be inefficient to some degree.
Roosh V's "Day Bang" got me into daygame but I moved away from it as I did more approaches. I don't think Roosh's main GALNUC mechanism was the problem. Daygame seems to be a difficult way to arrange dates in general.
 

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When choosing a coach be aware that most coaches teach street game. And do the infields of themselves in the street. There game is highly developed in the street not in retail stores. In my opinion street game is similar but different than retail store game.

I agree... was just looking for something that has a more comprehensive general approach that cuts across both street, mall, stores etc
 

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Btw, I LOVE how you differentiated it with outdoor vs indoor...
I have done approaches in mostly every venue where approaches can be done.

Both outdoor and indoor game are difficult.

I found mall store game to be more difficult than grocery store game, but some guys have done well in the malls.

Lingering is the worst element of daygame. Most of daygame is lingering and looking to create opportunities. If you're socially calibrated, you're looking at 2 hours of lingering in an indoor retail setting to only find a few decent approach targets. Outdoor gaming has a lot of lingering but also getting ignored by women wearing earbuds/headphones and buried in their smartphones.
 

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I have done approaches in mostly every venue where approaches can be done.

Both outdoor and indoor game are difficult.

I found mall store game to be more difficult than grocery store game, but some guys have done well in the malls.

Lingering is the worst element of daygame. Most of daygame is lingering and looking to create opportunities. If you're socially calibrated, you're looking at 2 hours of lingering in an indoor retail setting to only find a few decent approach targets. Outdoor gaming has a lot of lingering but also getting ignored by women wearing earbuds/headphones and buried in their smartphones.
Can't you just tell or signal her to take off her ear buds? I've done this before with little resistance
 

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Can't you just tell or signal her to take off her ear buds? I've done this before with little resistance
It is possible but more difficult. The fact a woman is wearing earbuds is a signal that she's generally disinterested in socialization. Why make approaches more difficult than they already are?
 

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It is possible but more difficult. The fact a woman is wearing earbuds is a signal that she's generally disinterested in socialization. Why make approaches more difficult than they already are?

Not in all cases though... what i do is try to make eye contact smile then approach and get her to take the ear buds.

if she's in a hurry to put them back on, i leave... but if she's all smiley and her body language is receptive i game her.... you can tell when she's into it

For example she drops one ear in her bag or she turns off the music she's listening too etc
 
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