How to convert a business lead to a romantic prospect?

[corrector]

I thought I'd run this original idea to see what feedback there is. Since I'm not doing OLD, at least for now, there are some people that in the course of business, there was a nice rapport over the phone. Now they have not seen my face (ie which would probably just kill everything as it has in the past), but still want to know how to proceed with this to have a tight business to phone game conversion before any picture or video is shown of myself.

My thoughts were to follow-up with the business, and while its a call out of the blue, just see how she is doing with the produce/service and make it sound like a courtesy call. Then follow-up again a week or two later, if there is still a great rapport and a mid/high-interest vibe, try and extend a phone convo to 5 min or longer, with a little risk here and there but nothing over the top. Then follow-up a week or two later again and then ask for the order (ie if she's single, find out if there is anything in common, suggest a video-chat, etc....) after another 5 min chat. All this time she won't know how I look like. There may be a soft-catfish because my name is Italian and people often confuse the name with me appearing to be some white Italian when I'm mixed and appear brown/arabic/mixed-black, etc... and that tends to throw people off. I don't even look attractive in comparison to other black and mixed members of this board (ie they may look like a 9 while I would come across like a 3), so to be fair, I'm not even saying it's a race thing, but it probably doesn't help.

What is the thoughts about this approach?

There is no risk to the actual job/employment I'm in as it's already in the tank so there is nothing to lose.

 

[Billtx49]

There is usually no outside business contact to romance game. Particularly if the contacts are only via phone calling. That’s not even as good as an ancient OLD pic.
I came across this last week with a female insurance agent. She hit me up on phone and emails to combine policies and made it monetarily worth my while. She sounded great and overly on the phone.

I met her later in the week at her office to sign legal paperwork. She was very cute and being overly nice. The nice part was to keep me happy and get the deal done…
Did I think I had a chance or hit on her ? No, she wasn’t wearing a ring and I mused on it, but actually doing that would put me at a mental desperation level of beggar status.

Nothing’s impossible, but the odds of success with this type of approach are slim and usually done in person …

 

[corrector]

There is usually no outside business contact to romance game. Particularly if the contacts are only via phone calling. That’s not even as good as an ancient OLD pic.
I came across this last week with a female insurance agent. She hit me up on phone and emails to combine policies and made it monetarily worth my while. She sounded great and overly on the phone.

I met her later in the week at her office to sign legal paperwork. She was very cute and being overly nice. The nice part was to keep me happy and get the deal done…
Did I think I had a chance or hit on her ? No, she wasn’t wearing a ring and I mused on it, but actually doing that would put me at a mental desperation level of beggar status.

Nothing’s impossible, but the odds of success with this type of approach are slim and usually done in person …

In this case I am the agent and sold her on a policy. That means I was able to get her to comply with something.

 

[Murk]

Get her out for a drink, simple as.

 

[corrector]

Get her out for a drink, simple as.

Without her knowing how I look like? Like a half blind date? Would you do that out of the blue or build comfort?

 

[Alvafe]

In this case I am the agent and sold her on a policy. That means I was able to get her to comply with something.

don't mix bussiness with pleasure, that is the first rule, also lack of options is annoying you know you can do better out there, but since you lack prospects you waste time musing about risking your bussiness


also don't kid yourself, you sold her something it was beneficial to her, not you are that "great"

 

[corrector]

don't mix bussiness with pleasure, that is the first rule, also lack of options is annoying you know you can do better out there, but since you lack prospects you waste time musing about risking your bussiness


also don't kid yourself, you sold her something it was beneficial to her, not you are that "great"

The first two calls are comfort building on women where there was a nice phone rapport. There will be reading of them. The risk level is increased on each successive call. Therefore I am calibrating them before increasing risk. First call, zero risk. Second, call slighly higher risk based on feedback from first call. Third call take largest risk based on feedback from the previous two calls, etc....

I dont see any issue with the phone game. They have an image of how I might look like in their minds. They know how I sound like and manner of talk and confidence, etc...

 

[Murk]

Without her knowing how I look like? Like a half blind date? Would you do that out of the blue or build comfort?

Oh no, she needs to know what you look like either through WhatsApp or linkedin photo, you can't go in blind

 

[corrector]

Oh no, she needs to know what you look like either through WhatsApp or linkedin photo, you can't go in blind

That would be after the third call. A video chat rather than going out on a date would be safer. See, you may not have the experience of having a lady totally into you and excited about meeting you then going totally cold once they see you. I did say this was phone game if you read the first post.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

That would be after the third call. A video chat rather than going out on a date would be safer. See, you may not have the experience of having a lady totally into you and excited about meeting you then going totally cold once they see you. I did say this was phone game if you read the first post.

If you haven't done video calls before, I suggest practicing with the camera/lighting etc to get the best angle. A lot of people look worse on video calls than in real life.

 

[corrector]

If you haven't done video calls before, I suggest practicing with the camera/lighting etc to get the best angle. A lot of people look worse on video calls than in real life.

I have done business video calls. Too ugly to get a girl for a video call to date. This would be the first romantic video call if successful using phone game. Getting that far would.be new territory.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I have done business video calls. Too ugly to get a girl for a video call to date. This would be the first romantic video call if successful using phone game. Getting that far would.be new territory.

Maybe she likes tall, dark and mysterious. Different girls have different preferences and have different dealbreakers, they tend to have a little variance in how they rate guys physically.

 

[Atom Smasher]

OP, is that account avatar actually a picture of you?

 

[corrector]

OP, is that account avatar actually a picture of you?

No.

 

[SW15]

This is an interesting topic.

I find that if a man meets a woman in some sort of business context, he is at a tremendous disadvantage in terms of creating something romantic that will result in a first dates.

Examples below...

Many men go to business networking events. Some of these events are generalized business networking events and some are related to a specific area of work, such as marketing or finance. At any business networking event, it is essentially impossible to arrange same night lays or first dates from attending those. It's difficult to get women out of "business mode" at these. It does not help that the typical woman attending business networking events is more careerist than average.

There is the "male customer, female employee" interaction. Men commonly hit on female employees and rarely get any meaningful results from it. This is most commonly seen with men hitting on coffee shop baristas, bartenders, regular waitresses, breastaurant workers, and strippers, though this can happen with any female employee working with the general public.

If a man wants to date a woman who works in a job that interacts with the general public, he has the best odds if he meets her outside of her place of employment. The problem is that many guys working white collar office jobs don't typically meet baristas, department store workers, breastaurant workers, and strippers in their leisure time. The last sentence is also often true for men working Mon-Fri blue collar, manual labor jobs too.

This is a Hooters waitress discussing men hitting on her while she's on her shift at Hooters. In 5+ years working at Hooters, she has been asked out on dates countless times, given her phone number to 10-15 men and has had 2, "one date, no sex, no second date" type dates from men she has met at Hooters.

 

[pipeman84]

This is a Hooters waitress discussing men hitting on her while she's on her shift at Hooters. In 5+ years working at Hooters, she has been asked out on dates countless times, given her phone number to 10-15 men and has had 2, "one date, no sex, no second date" type dates from men she has met at Hooters.

And you're going to believe what a 23yrs old Hooters waitress says? C'mon man.
I only listened to 10 seconds of her talking, and already got the bimbo airhead vibes from her ... either an athletic looking Chad or a normal looking guy flashing wealth would have no problem fvcking her within 2 dates (and I'm sure that it happened). Yet judging by your quote one would picture a Catholic school girl or some traditional family oriented girl.

 

[SW15]

either an athletic looking Chad or a normal looking guy flashing wealth would have no problem fvcking her within 2 dates (and I'm sure that it happened).

I'm sure that has happened as well. However, we are talking about 2 different situations here.

Leah Fennelly is talking about the men who hit on her while she's working at Hooters, not all men who approach her. The men who hit on her while she's working at Hooters are not the same as all her men who approach her.

The Chads and normal looking guys flashing wealth who have sex with her within 2 dates often meet her in settings outside of her workplace.

judging by your quote one would picture a Catholic school girl or some traditional family oriented girl.

There is immense demand for nearly every woman's vagina, regardless of how promiscuous they are. Even for women with high notch counts, only a fraction of 1% of men who approach her actually have sex with her.

Let's say that Leah Fennelly has had sex with 20 men. That's possible. Between her approaches while working at Hooters, her approaches in her leisure time, her swipe app profiles, and her Instagram DMs, she's likely been approached for first dates and/or sex by over 2,000 men. That's about 1% of men who get access to her vagina.

I only listened to 10 seconds of her talking, and already got the bimbo airhead vibes from her

There are worse bimbo airheads than her. She did get a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science from a lower tier university and is currently a law student at a lower tier university as well. That's not impressive but it is more impressive than many women who are single moms at 24 and only have a high school diploma. She has Hooters co-workers that are 24 year old single moms with high school diplomas.

She has 49,800 followers on Instagram compared to her only following 1,000 accounts on Instagram. That's a very good ratio.

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[corrector]

Called the first lady. She has a boyfriend who is also interested in life insurance. Is said great! I'm sending her the email to enrol her boyfriend in life insurance too. Well, no harm in calling since I make more money. Still a win I guess on the pocketbook. She did not sound taken aback by my call out of the blue. I knew someone who sounded like her probably would have had someone. At least I know it's not a fake "I have a boyfriend".

 

[Bible_Belt]

Too ugly to get a girl for a video call to date

You're not ugly, you're fat. The difference is that you can control being fat, if you want it badly enough. Your mindset is creating excuses instead of personal responsibility.

 

[corrector]

You're not ugly, you're fat. The difference is that you can control being fat, if you want it badly enough. Your mindset is creating excuses instead of personal responsibility.

You don't understand, these women could have a boyfriend and I would be wasting my time. I weeded out one of them so far that has a boyfriend. Why go through the trouble if she's not available? You need to know if she's available in the first place!

I know what my results have been in OLD, and I've seen feedback from other posters who were fat, but get a lower frequency or rate with women as opposed to nothing or near nothing. While I may be true that I'm not hideously ugly, I am not that remarkably handsome either, or I would be getting hits on OLD and IRL still even if I was fat.