I’m cheating on her at this moment

[Divorced w 3]

Dude you are on fire in this thread. Respect

It’s herpes

 

[Divorced w 3]

But there is a thing called Karma and it's a muthafvcking b!tch when it comes back to you.
You reap what you sow.

Karma is a *****, just make sure that ***** is beautiful

 

[EyeBRollin]

But there is a thing called Karma and it's a muthafvcking b!tch when it comes back to you.
You reap what you sow.

Lets say that belief in Karma is true-

What exactly is it coming back to you for? Lying to a woman? Doing what’s natural?

 

[Pandora]

It is your responsibility to "cheat" in a safe, ethical manner. It is your responsibility to make sure she never blatantly sees it. Its not cool to intentionally hurt a woman. Do your dirt far from home.

What @EyeBRollin is saying is that in a relationship women are getting all of her biological imperatives met. In a relationship men are not only sacrificing their biological imperative, they are sacrificing resources, time etc. How is this fair? You can make it even by giving her resources, time etc and also getting some of your biological imperatives met on the side. You dont produce 200 million sperm cells a day for 1 woman.

Oh btw no woman will ever thank you for giving up your biological imperative. When its time to leave she will monkey branch with no remorse. You are an idiot if you are 100% faithful to a chick.

 

[Pandora]

All you guys talking about morals blah blah blah
Morals are reserved for men. Women are inherently amoral. They dont have an inherent sense of morality. Dont cheat your male friends. I have never smashed my friends wife or gf's. I hope I never will. This is because men live and die by codes. Women dont lie and die by code so trying to be moral with a creature like this will handicap yourself.

 

[EyeBRollin]

What @EyeBRollin is saying is that in a relationship women are getting all of her biological imperatives met. In a relationship men are not only sacrificing their biological imperative,

Perfectly stated. No one has ever been able to identify why men must make this sacrifice but women aren’t expected to make a similar sacrifice. Men going against our biological imperative is “moral” based off of what?

 

[EyeBRollin]

I am not going to refute the bolded however my question is, and I've asked this before, why then make the commitment?

Why the deception?

Women lie and deceive to advance their mating strategy. Why are you holding men to a higher standard? That is sexist.

 

[Pandora]

Sorry to hi jack this thread but I just have to say this one quick story. I have a good friend of mine in his 50s. Wonderful father, good husband etc. Never ever ever cheated. Married his high school sweetheart only slept with her ever in life. He is militant about monogamy. High power dude at work so he had many chances and never cheated.

Guess what? Wife of 20 something years cheated with her millionaire boss. Did she ever apologize? No. Did she ever thank my friend for staying faithful in the face of temptation? No....she put him through a costly divorce and is trying to take away his kids as we speak.

Women dont respect faithful. They say they want faithful because they are insecure and they also want to be your only source of sex ( because of control).

 

[SargeMaximus]

Women dont respect faithful. They say they want faithful because they are insecure and they also want to be your only source of sex ( because of control).

This is the truth

 

[Pandora]

OK, so I will ask again, why lie about it then? Why not be honest?

Cheating as defined means deception.

Since you believe she wouldn't care as women don't respect faithful anyway, there is no reason to hide it and thus "cheat."

That's what makes no sense.

I don't mean to insult anyone, but you're talking out of both sides of your rear end which is confusing and again makes no sense.

Women dont respect faithful means that she will not reciprocate the same faithfulness just because you did. Women dont say " I will not cheat because he never cheated". They say " I cheated because he worked too much" or " I cheated because he worked too little" etc.

The reason we lie is because we dont want the emotional drama of tears etc. Women still get hurt when you cheat because they have been brainwashed into believing that male infidelity is a reflection on her. American culture does a good job of this. The rest of the world knows that men are designed to cheat. Women in the rest of the world dont take it nearly as personally.

Also, women do not want to know the truth. They dont im sorry. If you cheat they rather you keep it secret so they can live in their "fantasy".

 

[Pandora]

@catsmeow2 You are speaking from a limited woman's perspective.

You have never been in bed with a woman while her husband calls her phone after her lying about being divorced.
You have never seen a girl get the guy she is cheating with to hang out with the guy she is cheating on.
You have never had your best friend's gf say come over he is not here
You never had your best friends wife have sex with half of the military base
You never had a woman get pregnant with the other mans baby and then use husbands insurance to pay for the pregnancy

Please spare me with this moral view of female sexuality. Females are more ruthless than men. A man can cheat and still be willing to die for his woman. A woman will cheat and then still drag the guy through family court. GTFOH

 

[Pandora]

OK @Pandora , that's your truth, which I won't refute or Invalidate.

However, it's not mine, it's not my world, and cannot relate.

Which you might find surprising since my own dad had outside dalliances, but somehow I developed a different set of values which has worked quite well for me.

And seek the same in a partner which I found in my husband.

Yes you are a woman. You are also an exceptional woman at that ( same with @BeExcellent ). No normal woman is going to have the objectivity to be on a men's forum. You cant project your values onto most women.

If you knew the dirty lying cheating things the average woman did you would not be so judgemental. One of my best friends does energy audits at peoples home. He works for a major company. He looks like a Chad. He told me the other day some house wife told him that her husband is off on a work trip. She wanted the D. Women cheat more than men. Look at the rate of false paternity. It got so bad that the UK had to stop giving the test.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I know how ruthless and deceptive women can be, the only thing I disagree with is why you believe it's OK to mirror their deplorable behavior?

Why not show her through your actions how to be a decent human being with integrity?

You expect men to bring a fork to a gun fight. “Be the better person.” You hold men to a higher standard than women. Fine.

Bottom line is men that cheat do so because they can. You can try to shame them into monogamy but the data is clear; more women are in “committed” relationships then men. The only mathematical explanation is that women are sharing men.

 

[Pandora]

Why not show her through your actions how to be a decent human being with integrity? Who chooses to remain true to the commitments he makes as a man despite the temptations?

Being out of integrity for a man is not paying the bills, beating his wife, not being her emotional rock, not tucking the kids in bed at night etc. What he does with his penis while he is at a strip club is none of his families business. It does not effect his ability to be a great husband and father. Those are a mans commitments. It has nothing to do with his sex.

Cheating for a woman will effect the household. It will change the way she feels about her husband. She will be more cold and less willing to serve him. A woman really only provides sexuality to a man. What else do you provide him except sexual exclusivity? Great conversation..no. Protection...no. Good company..maybe. The main thing is sex! If you lost your vagina today your husband would be out the door in a month.

This is why a man can cheat and a woman should not cheat.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's why it took me until my 30s to find a man who lived up to the same standards and married him.

And I'm not "shaming" men @EyeBRollin we are having a conversation, seeking understanding, that's all.

Fair. Glad you own it. Society holds men to higher standard than women, which is sexist. Men must go against their nature “for the good of society.” Data says it doesn’t work. Women are still sharing men. They pick the winner that cheats over a monogamous average guy every time. It is just nature.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Not in my experience

Just wait.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes you are a woman. You are also an exceptional woman at that ( same with @BeExcellent ). No normal woman is going to have the objectivity to be on a men's forum. You cant project your values onto most women.

Exceptional in the sense of unusual. If they were outstanding women, why are they here gathering intel? There would be no need for it, no?

 

[SargeMaximus]

Just wait.

I’m hoping you’re right because I’ve done nothing but good deeds my whole life and been sh!t on by life so bring it on. I’m due for a big karmic raise

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

People cheat for different reasons. Some for the thrill (predominantly men do this), some for attention (predominantly women do this), some to serve ego, some out of lack of self control, and onward.

All cheaters cheat out of lack, out of a void within themselves and the void is gnawing at them such that they risk damaging the “exclusive” relationship secondary to the deceit and breach of trust.

Not too long ago I got involved with my playboy friend. Prior to my current relationship, and I met my fiancé while out with the playboy actually. The playboy had fancied me since meeting me while I was with a prior LTR. Very early on we had a talk about things. The playboy had been suddenly and rudely indoctrinated into the red pill mindset when he caught his wife cheating, who he ADORED and loved with all his being, and that broke his psyche so badly that he swore off allowing himself to ever love like that again.

He had consciously decided, since he is socially adroit and highly intelligent, as well as tall, trim & good looking, to leverage those traits into closely studying female behavior and having sex with who ever he liked. I told him if he wanted things to go anywhere with me, I require absolute honesty, and zero double standards, meaning if he was going to see whoever & do whatever he pleased, I was similarly allowed the same freedoms. I was recovering from the sudden loss of a relationship with a man I had loved deeply but had left abruptly after intolerable behavior.

What developed was an open relationship with rock solid trust at its core. If I had a date or had Saturday night reserved for someone else, I said so. If he had someone else he was going to spend time with, he said so. There were no secrets or deception, and there was no judgement. And over time HE became more and more emotionally attached to me, which freaked him out because as he fell in love it scared him to be so invested in a woman. People would meet us together and assume not only that we were married but that we had been happily married 10 years or more. Other women he had been involved with would tell me he was in love with me & they were at once envious and amazed at our interaction. But he knew that ultimately an open situation was not my goal; he knew eventually he would lose me. After we had a weekend trip together which brought us very close, the next weekend we were out with another couple. He got horrendously drunk and flipped out. We broke things off. That night I met my fiancé. I think I was single a whopping 2 hours.

Relationships can only succeed where trust is intact. Cheating, by definition is deception. A lie. It tramples and ruins trust. Have the strength of character to be honest and open about what you need. Be fearlessly bold in this regard. Whatever construct you determine for your relationships be honest with yourself and your partner.

The thing I learned in my involvement with my playboy friend was that for some men, sex is different from love, and this did not threaten me as long as he was truthful. I knew I had his heart, and there was plenty of sex as well, but he saw sex less as a means of emotional connection and more as something outside the emotional intimacy that we built. Ultimately it was the emotional intimacy that he could not handle in the context of knowing what I ultimately wanted, and knowing that in time he’d lose me.

My fiancé is aware of the construct in that relationship, has met my playboy friend (and out of respect for my man I do not maintain that friendship)…but it was an experience that exemplifies the logic held around here in many ways.

Deception destroys trust, period. When you destroy trust you destroy the faith someone has placed in you as a human being. Have the courage to be honest about who you are and what you need. Be fearless.

Sneaking around is for liars and weak people who lack character.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I’m hoping you’re right because I’ve done nothing but good deeds my whole life and been sh!t on by life so bring it on. I’m due for a big karmic raise

What’s your definition of bad luck? You had a thread going a few months ago because some girl forgot she had a book of yours and you thought she was out to get you. Remember when I suggested you ask her for it back nicely and she returned it immediately? Do you hear voices?