Under What Circumstances Should a Guy Give Up Entirely?

[Deranged]

it's fvcking over for Mom'sColostomyBagCels.

Stop trying to change/help people who don't want to change/be helped. Your time is better spent elsewhere.

 

[Stanley]

it's fvcking over for Mom'sColostomyBagCels.

Stop trying to change/help people who don't want to change/be helped. Your time is better spent elsewhere.

Lol

And yeah you're probably right

 

[corrector]

Yeah, you can't suddenly shape your genetics and become some 'chad', but there is so much more than just looks.

ok

 

[needimprovement250]

You don't believe in the effectiveness of cold approaching?

Sir..........you said you've NEVER had a girlfriend......and had ONE DATE.....8 years ago. This is what your CURRENT "strategy" has produced. And you feel that is more effective than cold-approaching would be???

I've been here at this forum going on nearly 15 years. Most of the guys who come here seeking advice generally fall into one of two types of categories: 1: The guy who makes a thread seeking advice,discovers some type of idea or council he wasn't aware of,then eagerly goes out to try it. And 2: The misery-loves-company type.......the guy who just wants to vent and complain about his dating woes,who rejects and finds fault with every type of advice people here try to give. You seem to fall into the latter.

You make it seem as if your situation is hopeless. Given your CURRENT method of interacting with women,I'm inclined to agree.


Let me share a grand revelation that came to me years ago,concerning women and dating.....and I'm talking 20 or something more years ago. This one adjustment I made caused me to get more dates with women than anything I'd ever done up to that point. Ready?


I asked women out. Yes......I actually TALKED TO them.....tossed in a compliment....and asked them about getting together sometime. Let me ask you this....... Let's say you wanted a pay raise at your job. Well,when you go into your bosses' office to speak to him,in order for you to get the raise,WHAT SUBJECT WOULD YOU BRING UP? What would you say to him in order to get the raise?

Would you bring up the subject of........oh......I don't know.......PAY RAISES? Sir,if you want a date....you HAVE TO ask women out. There's no getting around that. This is real life. It ain't a porno where you deliver a pizza to a hot chick,and she goes,"well....I don't really have any money on me,but umm.......maybe I can pay you in another way.....wink,wink....(as she grabs your junk).

You yourself ARE WORSE than the women. You were asked about cold approaching,you said "I don't believe in its effectiveness".
You said you would try online dating....but then went,"I can't let go of THE OPINION that women will lose interest soon as they find out I don't have any experience". So you "don't believe"....and you "can't let go of an opinion". YOUR MIND is your enemy.

Girls don't even get the chance to turn you down cause you "not believing" and your "can't let go of an opinion" won't even allow you to speak to women in the first place to even try.

Well I don't really have any strategy at all, and it would be accurate to say what actually happened with me is that I gave up on dating and women without even trying. I've also long held the belief that after a certain age, a man can be considered a failure by inaction when it comes to women and I feel like I fit that description. Yes I do come on here to vent and also because some part of me would like to believe that it is still possible for me to turn it all around even though its a big uphill battle at this point. I have never once in my life asked a woman out and I've also never asked a woman for her phone number either. Something happened to me in childhood that shattered my confidence and it never recovered and as I reached the start of dating age in my teens, my friends and family members just made fun of me for not dating women instead of trying to find out why I wasn't, which made me feel even worse and then I really didn't try. You also don't hear about very many inexperienced guys in their 30's ever getting girlfriends, sure there are some that do, but I feel like the most of them don't ever escape the catch-22 of getting rejected for having no experience and then go on to be inexperienced in their 40's. Its mostly that I can't let go of this opinion because I haven't seen any proof that there are women who will date men in their 30's who have no experience. Honestly, them not having the chance to turn me down is by design and i didn't realize I was doing it until years later. Because I didn't want to face rejection, I pretty much used my actions as a defense mechanism to either not give them the chance to reject me, or make them feel rejected before they get the chance to do it to me. That was back when I was in school and around women on a regular basis, now I'm never around women ever and I haven't met any women in the past 6 years and counting.

 

[needimprovement250]

That means you are getting traction on OLD? (ie, likes, messages, exchanges, etc....) You know there is a numbers game for that too? You can't really say that EVERY woman would find your inexperience off-putting. Even if you take that to an extreme and feel that way, then if 1 out of 10 women, who you got to the place that she's interested in you, but instead of being put-off finds it endearing and is further turned-on by your inexperience, then wouldn't it make it worth it in the end? It is more likely you are not generating enough volume in the first place, or it's too tedious to set up one date over time, but then wouldn't that be a look's issue rather than an inexperience issue?

If there is enough volume of women you are meeting, then you are bound to find at least one women eventually who will like you for who you are, or see something in you that's redeeming to whatever you feel is a deficiency.

You had this other thread written the other day of this chap who put up chad-model photos on his OLD profile. He had such a high volume, that when he switched the photos and put his real ones up, he lost a sizable number of them, but then there were some others along that list that still met him after all that anyway. That is an example where just generating the RAW volume can yield results and shows some women just do not care within that volume.

No, I've still never used OLD. But I do know that it is a huge numbers game as well I do feel like the overwhelming majority of them would find my inexperience off putting. I really have believed for awhile now that if I went out with 50 different women from OLD, all 50 would probably reject me for my inexperience. Its a belief that I just can't seem to let go of. I am generating no volume whatsoever, I haven't met a woman in 6 years, not even one. I think its also the fact that I still live with my parents and don't have any friends either, I feel like in the unlikely event where a woman isn't put off by my inexperience, she will be due to those other two reasons. I would be willing to go out and work for the money necessary to get us a decent hotel room for the night so that we can have some privacy since I still live at home and I'm also involved in plenty of activities to keep me busy and not let the lack of friends be an issue, but there's just this huge stigma attached to all 3 of these things that I have working against me and sadly, a lot of people just abide by those stigmas and turn that person away.

 

[corrector]

No, I've still never used OLD. But I do know that it is a huge numbers game as well I do feel like the overwhelming majority of them would find my inexperience off putting. I really have believed for awhile now that if I went out with 50 different women from OLD, all 50 would probably reject me for my inexperience. Its a belief that I just can't seem to let go of. I am generating no volume whatsoever, I haven't met a woman in 6 years, not even one. I think its also the fact that I still live with my parents and don't have any friends either, I feel like in the unlikely event where a woman isn't put off by my inexperience, she will be due to those other two reasons. I would be willing to go out and work for the money necessary to get us a decent hotel room for the night so that we can have some privacy since I still live at home and I'm also involved in plenty of activities to keep me busy and not let the lack of friends be an issue, but there's just this huge stigma attached to all 3 of these things that I have working against me and sadly, a lot of people just abide by those stigmas and turn that person away.

The inexperience thing is a lie. If you went out with 50 women you would be meeting women and generating volume. But can you even meet one lady through OLD?

 

[needimprovement250]

The inexperience thing is a lie. If you went out with 50 women you would be meeting women and generating volume. But can you even meet one lady through OLD?

I have never been on OLD, not even for a day. I know that the inexperience thing can only be solved by venturing out into the dating world, but I've felt like living at home and not having friends is gonna hold me back on there as well because that will come up and pretty early on. It would be pretty embarrassing to have to reveal to a woman that I still live at home and eventually she'll want to meet my friends and that will be revealed too once I have no friends to introduce her to.

 

[corrector]

I have never been on OLD, not even for a day. I know that the inexperience thing can only be solved by venturing out into the dating world, but I've felt like living at home and not having friends is gonna hold me back on there as well because that will come up and pretty early on. It would be pretty embarrassing to have to reveal to a woman that I still live at home and eventually she'll want to meet my friends and that will be revealed too once I have no friends to introduce her to.

Focus on volume and numbers first. If you dont meet anyone in the first place then your worries are fictitious. Do you think chad would be embarassed by that? Look at @SargeMaximus, he lives in a crappy place and he is doing fine. If chad lives at home the women wont care about passing his parents to go to the bedroom. Its all a looks thing, not an inexperience thing.

 

[DonJuanjr]

It's OVER for NeedingImprovementButNotWillingToTryCels

 

[MatureDJ]

No, I've still never used OLD. But I do know that it is a huge numbers game as well I do feel like the overwhelming majority of them would find my inexperience off putting. I really have believed for awhile now that if I went out with 50 different women from OLD, all 50 would probably reject me for my inexperience. Its a belief that I just can't seem to let go of. I am generating no volume whatsoever, I haven't met a woman in 6 years, not even one. I think its also the fact that I still live with my parents and don't have any friends either, I feel like in the unlikely event where a woman isn't put off by my inexperience, she will be due to those other two reasons. I would be willing to go out and work for the money necessary to get us a decent hotel room for the night so that we can have some privacy since I still live at home and I'm also involved in plenty of activities to keep me busy and not let the lack of friends be an issue, but there's just this huge stigma attached to all 3 of these things that I have working against me and sadly, a lot of people just abide by those stigmas and turn that person away.

I don't think you will be able to have sex with a childless XX woman under 50 or 150# without GeoMaxxing or EscortMaxxing.

 

[needimprovement250]

It's OVER for NeedingImprovementButNotWillingToTryCels

Would you still try if you were inexperienced at almost 30, had no friends, and still lived at home? Serious question.

 

[needimprovement250]

I don't think you will be able to have sex with a childless XX woman under 50 or 150# without GeoMaxxing or EscortMaxxing.

Because of my life situation? That’s why those 2 options would be my only choices?

 

[corrector]

I don't think you will be able to have sex with a childless XX woman under 50 or 150# without GeoMaxxing or EscortMaxxing.

That is not an option if your broke. He says he has zero savings, and the way he is saving up money for that sounds terrible if he is unlucky and gets a bad escort that either rips him off or is so mechanical and does not even try to pretend that its an awful experience (ie obviously he would need to be abke to afford to try out different escorts, etc...).

 

[corrector]

Would you still try if you were inexperienced at almost 30, had no friends, and still lived at home? Serious question.

I did meet women using OLD and met a soulmate at 36 years old. Its 2023 and you are 29, but it was 2005 when I was 29. Just because it did not come earlier does not mean it will never happen.

 

[needimprovement250]

Focus on volume and numbers first. If you dont meet anyone in the first place then your worries are fictitious. Do you think chad would be embarassed by that? Look at @SargeMaximus, he lives in a crappy place and he is doing fine. If chad lives at home the women wont care about passing his parents to go to the bedroom. Its all a looks thing, not an inexperience thing.

I don’t know, I’ve heard of Chad level men getting rejected for still living at home. My biggest fear is that coming up and its not like you can hide it. Like I said, I am willing to go out and work for the money to get a decent hotel room so that I wouldn’t be forced to bring her to my parents house.

 

[corrector]

I don’t know, I’ve heard of Chad level men getting rejected for still living at home. My biggest fear is that coming up and its not like you can hide it. Like I said, I am willing to go out and work for the money to get a decent hotel room so that I wouldn’t be forced to bring her to my parents house.

Of course, chads get rejected too. But they generate enough volume that some dont care. Then again, we can do the same thing by putting a fake chad photo and replacing it with real ones. The ones that fall for that probably won't care that you live at home either.

 

[needimprovement250]

I did meet women using OLD and met a soulmate at 36 years old. Its 2023 and you are 29, but it was 2005 when I was 29. Just because it did not come earlier does not mean it will never happen.

Yeah maybe I’m just bitter about never experiencing young love as well. Not to mention that I’ve had the concern that I’m gonna be forced to only date older women now because I’m entering my 30’s. Now I’m not saying I want to date 18-19 year olds, but I would still like to date a woman in her early to mid 20’s if that’s possible. I’m glad to hear that you ended up finding someone, I feel like I never will if I don’t get out of my parents house.

 

[corrector]

Yeah maybe I’m just bitter about never experiencing young love as well. Not to mention that I’ve had the concern that I’m gonna be forced to only date older women now because I’m entering my 30’s. Now I’m not saying I want to date 18-19 year olds, but I would still like to date a woman in her early to mid 20’s if that’s possible. I’m glad to hear that you ended up finding someone, I feel like I never will if I don’t get out of my parents house.

I dated a 29 year old girl I met from Christiancafe (ie we planned to marry each other and did LOTS of running around to different locations, some of which resulted in brillian memories. This was 11 years ago but it just lovely. It made up for all the issues I had prior to meeting her. I also got married by another woman after I broke up with her 2 years later.

I was frustrated like you were, and I look at the 00s years as some of the most romantically frustrated years of my life, just like you must be feeling today. But I didn't know something nice was going to happen down the road. You don't know either. That's why you shouldn't give up, because if I gave up at your age, then I'd have nothing to write to you about here now, would I?

 

[MatureDJ]

Yeah maybe I’m just bitter about never experiencing young love as well. Not to mention that I’ve had the concern that I’m gonna be forced to only date older women now because I’m entering my 30’s. Now I’m not saying I want to date 18-19 year olds, but I would still like to date a woman in her early to mid 20’s if that’s possible. I’m glad to hear that you ended up finding someone, I feel like I never will if I don’t get out of my parents house.

Once you hit 50, if you don't have a problem dating a woman your age, then a decent social circle will serve you up plenty of poon. Would be OK with a single granny?

 

[DonJuanjr]

Would you still try if you were inexperienced at almost 30, had no friends, and still lived at home? Serious question.

Dude, I already gave you advice from a perspective not far from that scenario. You don't seem interested in actually trying though. I already suggested for you to lower your standards, and bang a lower value woman. You will still gain much needed sexual confidence, experience, and social interaction with a FEMALE. Fatties and Uggos are still women that have emotional rollercoasters, and communicate indirectly...