Stop feeling sympathy for Incels, quite a few are awful people.

[Jesse Pinkman]

As I await the fate of my health, I feel like it has to be said. We as men try to feel sorry for dudes that struggle to meet women and get laid. On here, we see them as victims of society or victims of some sort. Some of us even believe that these losers are entitled to a woman because in our heads, we think that this Incel is just some sad innocent boy who could turn into an Angel if he found the right one. If only he found the right one, he would have never resorted to an evil act like the kind of stuff you see on the news.

Here is the truth no one wants to acknowledge, Incels are usually awful people and women just pick up on this matter fast.

If you read stuff on the Incel and Black Pilled communities, you notice how so many of them are genuinely hateful towards women and feel entitled to them. You see how dark the minds of a lot of these men really are. You see how so many of these men are hateful of other human beings whether it is based on that person's nationality, race, gender, or whatever. Then one day, these people crack and they start randomly harming a whole bunch of people with absolute violence.

While most Incels will not resort to being like ER, they have that hatred in their hearts. Now one can say which came first, the chicken or the egg. Did a lack of attention from women turn these men evil? Or, were these men evil from the start and women just picked up on it?

I offer another take. Incels are failed experiments from life. Most of them cannot provide value to women in any sort of a legitimate way, have awful social skills, and quite a few are deep down bad people. Then, to top it all off, the have the biggest egos and pride out there in the most insane of ways.

You cannot coach these men into being better with women because they "know" more than you based on their basement dwelling theories.

We need to stop feeling sorry for these people and be glad that they are not reproducing. There are enough people in the world already and we know quite a few of these wicked men would not make for decent fathers.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

As a former incel in college, my two cents

1). It is mostly a Dark Hole- I agree that some are natural POS, but some just naturally progress into terrible people from having the inability to get laid. During the height of my inceldom, I was into some bad conspiracy theories and held some pretty terrible views. I never held any of these views in my life prior to the peak of my dry spell period. I do not hold any of the same views I held as an Incel, but they do seem to creep back when I have dry spells lol.

2). An Incel can be anyone, looks and status does not mean shvt- During the peak of my inceldom, I was in the strongest physique of my life. I was able to easily bench 315 and wasn't fat, but I didn't have abs either. I could easily go out in public and be mistaken for a professional or college athlete. If I were to tell you to your face that I was an incel, you would spit out your drink in my face. Why couldn't I get laid then? I was in the wrong city going for the wrong type of women. Now some white Chad is least likely to be an incel than others, but I have noticed a lot of incels fall in to the 7-8 range. They aren't Chad enough/have enough money & status to attract hotter girls, they aren't willing to settle for girls lower than them, and they lack the skills to compete with girls within their range whom are the most competed for. 7-8 girls are the most desirable women and competed for in the dating market. For example, Wheat Waffles is not a bad looking guy, but he has been heavy in the black pill content movement.

3). 99% of the advice on the internet is terrible- I like this site because I can find some helpful information and discussion topics on here to aid my game & life. However, I did piss off my girlfriend today and I could not find any helpful information at all. As a result, I had to basically make a blind decision on what to do lol. Most of the red pill advice on the internet is just reactionary spiteful revenge vomit against some girl that did them wrong. They then go down the rabbit hole of terrible women advice and feed it to others. For example, spinning plates & acting like an @$$hole is purely a reactionary response to being hurt by some female. If you want to go and date multiple women then go ahead, but a lot of guys actually want relationships and spinning plates will give the guy the exact opposite thing sending him down the same rabbit hole. Instead of telling a newbie to just spin plates and act like an @$$hole, there are a million other things that would help him out.

Now, why did I go on the internet for dating advice in the first place? It is because I did not have a choice and had to lol. The dating coaches that gave me the most helpful dating advice were Playing with Fire, Destiny (LOL) and Fitxfearless because they actually gave me advice that applied to modern dating. Dealing with modern women means being able have texting, emotional, and OLD game and these are the only guys that provided advice on it. All of the other guys just completely shat on it or provided just feel-good entertainment. When a struggling male comes to the internet and sees all of this reactionary, spiteful, and obsolete advice, of course he's going to down the path of the incel.

Last point...You do have a lot of the blind leading the blind shvt going on too.

 

[Fruitbat]

The issue is, red pill gets mistaken for incel.
If you state in any other forum that women favour strong males, you’ll get incel comments.

There is obvious evidence everywhere that men who engage in violence tend to get women for sexual encounters. Think MMA fighter or accountant. The accountant might be physically fit and attractive, the MMA fighter will have women drooling. Same for soldiers, if there’s a hint of violence there it draws them in. Most men who’ve won fights in high school know this. I remember being drunk and a younger dude tried to take our taxi and I hauled him out and verbally humiliated him and he kind of ran off in fear.
My GF at the time was a classic “good girl” but I’ve never had so much animal lust from a woman in my life after that.

anyway, where incels reallt grate is that they reframe their autism and lack of understanding of communication as being “gentlemanly”. It’s not. It’s your own lack of courage redefined.

There is nothing wrong with getting what you want. If these gentleman can’t openly pursue a woman without having to be reserved, how in earth can they make it in the world of men?

women are people, like us, no better no worse. They take shyt. They get gunk in their eye, bad breath, and often they can act shytty. They can be lazy; they can be hard working. Sometimes they have an off day.

A man being some “supreme gentleman” as they put it pedestalises them, it holds them to a standard higher than they are, and they know it, deep down they know they ain’t no goddess, they are the girl who pissed herself in 3rd grade, the girl who stole £20 from her mums purse when she was 15. The girl who once at an entire cheesecake and then sat on her ass watching GOT for a whole day. When she was supposed to be working.

She doesn’t want to be a lady. She wants to be her, and have a man who’s open with her flaws, and his own.

A friend once told me “treat them less like a target and more like a friend”. In many ways this is good advice. Treat her more like a guy friend, rip on her, if she’s acting shytty, tell her.
I don’t mean friend like platonic, like kissing her @ss, but not like some romantic novel.

treat her like a friend” is dangerous advice, in the wrong hands it will finish you but if you get the message, it’s powerful. Classic example - what do you do to a friend who treats you bad eno doesn’t have a pvssy? That’s where this thought can be dynamite.

 

[SW15]

Did a lack of attention from women turn these men evil? Or, were these men evil from the start and women just picked up on it?

I offer another take. Incels are failed experiments from life. Most of them cannot provide value to women in any sort of a legitimate way, have awful social skills, and quite a few are deep down bad people. Then, to top it all off, the have the biggest egos and pride out there in the most insane of ways.

I think the lack of results and the trauma from it create toxic male personality traits.

The issue is that the incel and borderline incel population exploded in the 2000s, especially the late 2000s when smartphones and social media became a part of the culture.

There are some toxic personality incels, but with male sexlessness rates in the ~30% range, it's too big of a population to be solely toxic guys. A lot of normal-ish guys are incel or borderline incel.

2). An Incel can be anyone, looks and status does not mean shvt- During the peak of my inceldom, I was in the strongest physique of my life. I was able to easily bench 315 and wasn't fat, but I didn't have abs either. I could easily go out in public and be mistaken for a professional or college athlete. If I were to tell you to your face that I was an incel, you would spit out your drink in my face. Why couldn't I get laid then? I was in the wrong city going for the wrong type of women. Now some white Chad is least likely to be an incel than others, but I have noticed a lot of incels fall in to the 7-8 range. They aren't Chad enough/have enough money & status to attract hotter girls, they aren't willing to settle for girls lower than them, and they lack the skills to compete with girls within their range whom are the most competed for. 7-8 girls are the most desirable women and competed for in the dating market. For example, Wheat Waffles is not a bad looking guy, but he has been heavy in the black pill content movement.

Black pill is not automatically incel. I believe Wheat Waffles has a girlfriend.

If you're a 7-8 guy, you're good looking guy to have a girlfriend and be competitive.

How the fucck were you incel/borderline while looking like a pro/college athlete?

3). 99% of the advice on the internet is terrible- I like this site because I can find some helpful information and discussion topics on here to aid my game & life. However, I did piss off my girlfriend today and I could not find any helpful information at all. As a result, I had to basically make a blind decision on what to do lol. Most of the red pill advice on the internet is just reactionary spiteful revenge vomit against some girl that did them wrong. They then go down the rabbit hole of terrible women advice and feed it to others. For example, spinning plates & acting like an @$$hole is purely a reactionary response to being hurt by some female. If you want to go and date multiple women then go ahead, but a lot of guys actually want relationships and spinning plates will give the guy the exact opposite thing sending him down the same rabbit hole. Instead of telling a newbie to just spin plates and act like an @$$hole, there are a million other things that would help him out.

Now, why did I go on the internet for dating advice in the first place? It is because I did not have a choice and had to lol. The dating coaches that gave me the most helpful dating advice were Playing with Fire, Destiny (LOL) and Fitxfearless because they actually gave me advice that applied to modern dating. Dealing with modern women means being able have texting, emotional, and OLD game and these are the only guys that provided advice on it. All of the other guys just completely shat on it or provided just feel-good entertainment. When a struggling male comes to the internet and sees all of this reactionary, spiteful, and obsolete advice, of course he's going to down the path of the incel.

I think a lot of men are living their lives and not getting results in real life. At that point, they turn to the internet to research why they aren't getting laid.

There is plenty of normie advice on the internet, like meeting women through hobbies, which leads a bunch of men into co-ed sports leagues or dance classes.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If you're a 7-8 guy, you're good looking guy to have a girlfriend and be competitive.

The issue is that 7-8 girls are the most sought after. 9s-10s are monetized or only go for super Chads. 7-8s have higher egos than 9s-10s imho. Any girl below a 6 isn’t worth dating to most men, especially a guy that’s a 7-8. Also, remember girls date up in looks or for some strategic gain, so this puts this guy in competition with not only Chads but lower men willing to invest more to compensate for their lower value in looks. As a result, this guy will have hard time retaining women of his own value unless he wants to put down a heavy investment.

How the fucck were you incel/borderline while looking like a pro/college athlete?

Being a black guy with standards in Tennessee will result in long periods of droughts and Inceldom lol.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

As a former incel in college, my two cents

1). It is mostly a Dark Hole- I agree that some are natural POS, but some just naturally progress into terrible people from having the inability to get laid. During the height of my inceldom, I was into some bad conspiracy theories and held some pretty terrible views. I never held any of these views in my life prior to the peak of my dry spell period. I do not hold any of the same views I held as an Incel, but they do seem to creep back when I have dry spells lol.

2). An Incel can be anyone, looks and status does not mean shvt- During the peak of my inceldom, I was in the strongest physique of my life. I was able to easily bench 315 and wasn't fat, but I didn't have abs either. I could easily go out in public and be mistaken for a professional or college athlete. If I were to tell you to your face that I was an incel, you would spit out your drink in my face. Why couldn't I get laid then? I was in the wrong city going for the wrong type of women. Now some white Chad is least likely to be an incel than others, but I have noticed a lot of incels fall in to the 7-8 range. They aren't Chad enough/have enough money & status to attract hotter girls, they aren't willing to settle for girls lower than them, and they lack the skills to compete with girls within their range whom are the most competed for. 7-8 girls are the most desirable women and competed for in the dating market. For example, Wheat Waffles is not a bad looking guy, but he has been heavy in the black pill content movement.

3). 99% of the advice on the internet is terrible- I like this site because I can find some helpful information and discussion topics on here to aid my game & life. However, I did piss off my girlfriend today and I could not find any helpful information at all. As a result, I had to basically make a blind decision on what to do lol. Most of the red pill advice on the internet is just reactionary spiteful revenge vomit against some girl that did them wrong. They then go down the rabbit hole of terrible women advice and feed it to others. For example, spinning plates & acting like an @$$hole is purely a reactionary response to being hurt by some female. If you want to go and date multiple women then go ahead, but a lot of guys actually want relationships and spinning plates will give the guy the exact opposite thing sending him down the same rabbit hole. Instead of telling a newbie to just spin plates and act like an @$$hole, there are a million other things that would help him out.

Now, why did I go on the internet for dating advice in the first place? It is because I did not have a choice and had to lol. The dating coaches that gave me the most helpful dating advice were Playing with Fire, Destiny (LOL) and Fitxfearless because they actually gave me advice that applied to modern dating. Dealing with modern women means being able have texting, emotional, and OLD game and these are the only guys that provided advice on it. All of the other guys just completely shat on it or provided just feel-good entertainment. When a struggling male comes to the internet and sees all of this reactionary, spiteful, and obsolete advice, of course he's going to down the path of the incel.

Last point...You do have a lot of the blind leading the blind shvt going on too.

So you are saying the good looking incels have the reverse issues that women who are 5s and 6s do? Ie, they feel they are entitled to a relationship with a Chad because they can get pumped and dumped by them so they have delided themselves into thinking that's what they should be able to get in a LTR.

So the good looking incels have deluded themselves into thinking because they may have dated an 8 or 9 for a time that's what they are deserving of and won't "settle" for less?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

So you are saying the good looking incels have the reverse issues that women who are 5s and 6s do? Ie, they feel they are entitled to a relationship with a Chad because they can get pumped and dumped by them so they have delided themselves into thinking that's what they should be able to get in a LTR.

So the good looking incels have deluded themselves into thinking because they may have dated an 8 or 9 for a time that's what they are deserving of and won't "settle" for less?

Exactly! It is a mix of ego/inexperience affecting them. For example, the first girl I had experience with was around a 7.5. Obviously, that didn't work out and I was left to hang dry afterwards. I struggled to get a girl on my level or higher and didn't want to go whaling. In addition, I saw dudes I saw less than me in looks getting girls and that put me down the incel hole. In addition, dry spell pvssy goggles is a real thing.

 

[SW15]

The issue is that 7-8 girls are the most sought after. 9s-10s are monetized or only go for super Chads. 7-8s have higher egos than 9s-10s imho. Any girl below a 6 isn’t worth dating to most men, especially a guy that’s a 7-8. Also, remember girls date up in looks or for some strategic gain, so this puts this guy in competition with not only Chads but lower men willing to invest more to compensate for their lower value in looks. As a result, this guy will have hard time retaining women of his own value unless he wants to put down a heavy investment.

I'd say monetization/Super Chad start at 8.5+.

Women who are 7-8.4 are most in demand.

6-6.9 has solid demand.

There are thirsty guys chasing women in the 4-5.9 range. Also, you'll see some guys in the 7-7.9 range try to get fast and easy sex from 5-5.9 women. These 7-7.9 men won't commit to women in the 5-5.9 range.

Being a black guy with standards in Tennessee will result in long periods of droughts and Inceldom lol.

Black men are in demand. Black men are not East and South Asian men, who are generally not wanted by White/Hispanic women. Black men have options with women of all races/ethnicities, though it can be more challenging to date White women who are not overweight. Higher status black men, like professional athletes, often have White girlfriends/wives.

The key phrase you used is "with standards". That's a difficult point to debate because it is subjective.

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[Mike32ct]

Everybody knows at least one incel. He's that friend or acquaintance guy (or family member or coworker) that is otherwise fairly normal and you get along fine with, but he just can't seem to catch a break in the women department.

 

[patb]

I'd say the lack of self-awareness in this post would be stunning, but I've (mis)spent too many years in spaces like this to be surprised by much. They're like fly paper for narcissists.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I'd say monetization/Super Chad start at 8.5+.

Women who are 7-8.4 are most in demand.

6-6.9 has solid demand.

There are thirsty guys chasing women in the 4-5.9 range. Also, you'll see some guys in the 7-7.9 range try to get fast and easy sex from 5-5.9 women.

My pics have been rated in the 6.8-7.4 range online.

Usually girls bump up two points with makeup and dolling up or three with dry spell pvssy goggles. A 7/10 could appear as a 9/10 on a decent night if she wanted to. During dry spells, notice a 6/10 starts to look like a 7/10 or 5/10 to 6/10 lol. This gives men post nut clarity sometimes because they will start to see that the girl they thought was an 8/10 was actually a 6/10 lol.

Black men are in demand. Black men are not East and South Asian men, who are generally not wanted by White/Hispanic women. Black men have options with women of all races/ethnicities, though it can be more challenging to date White women who are not overweight. Higher status black men, like professional athletes, often have White girlfriends/wives.

The key phrase you used is "with standards". That's a difficult point to debate because it is subjective.

Black men tend to date the trash binned women of other races. In addition, a lot of black men just end dating a non-black version of a black woman lol. I could clean up easily with pawgs, whales, and trailer trash women, but I hit a huge wall when I start applying standards to the women I want. Cleet Chasers can be hot, but they take experience to deal with it. The other opportunity is just by using scarcity and being there at the right time. This is how you see a pretty non-black woman with an ugly black guy because he was the best option at the right time. It doesn't mean it is a truly equal relationship though, but it is something.

 

[Solomon]

Usually girls bump up two points with makeup and dolling up or three with dry spell pvssy goggles. A 7/10 could appear as a 9/10 on a decent night if she wanted to. During dry spells, notice a 6/10 starts to look like a 7/10 or 5/10 to 6/10 lol. This gives men post nut clarity sometimes because they will start to see that the girl they thought was an 8/10 was actually a 6/10 lol.



Black men tend to date the trash binned women of other races. In addition, a lot of black men just end dating a non-black version of a black woman lol. I could clean up easily with pawgs, whales, and trailer trash women, but I hit a huge wall when I start applying standards to the women I want. Cleet Chasers can be hot, but they take experience to deal with it. The other opportunity is just by using scarcity and being there at the right time. This is how you see a pretty non-black woman with an ugly black guy because he was the best option at the right time. It doesn't mean it is a truly equal relationship though, but it is something.

BROKE black men tend to date trash-binned women, as a black man myself living in the midwest. I see this often however I also see the opposite where I see brothers that are caked-up dating fine a$$ beckys, Maria's and Mi Ling etc. Brothers that got things going for themselves ain't dealing with whales unless they are in a bad drought heh

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

BROKE black men tend to date trash-binned women, as a black man myself living in the midwest. I see this often however I also see the opposite where I see brothers that are caked-up dating fine a$$ beckys, Maria's and Mi Ling etc. Brothers that got things going for themselves ain't dealing with whales unless they are in a bad drought heh

Just because a woman is dolled up out in public doesn't mean she is not crazy or subpar. Black men tend to date down in looks or down the economic/mental ladder when they date interracially. It is rare for a black man to date on his level or up when he crosses into interracial dating. It's not impossible, but it does take patience, luck, and determination lol.

 

[Solomon]

Just because a woman is dolled up out in public doesn't mean she is not crazy or subpar. Black men tend to date down in looks or down the economic/mental ladder when they date interracially. It is rare for a black man to date on his level or up when he crosses into interracial dating. It's not impossible, but it does take patience, luck, and determination lol.

Are you sure you black? cause as I said before I tend to see only broke black men or black men who don't have options dating bottom feeders and that goes for any race. Upward mobile black men are killing it

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Are you sure you black? cause as I said before I tend to see only broke black men or black men who don't have options dating bottom feeders and that goes for any race. Upward mobile black men are killing it

I wouldn't call playing captain save a hoe to another race killing it. I am obviously not seeing these upward black men date laterally or upwardly interracially. It's either with an obvious mudshark or they dolled up some girl from the hood or country lol.

 

[SW15]

In addition, a lot of black men just end dating a non-black version of a black woman lol. I could clean up easily with pawgs, whales, and trailer trash women, but I hit a huge wall when I start applying standards to the women I want.

PAWGs can be good so long as they are not overweight. It's possible to have a White woman with a thick butt and she's not fat.

Whales are bad.

Trailer trash is interesting. There are trailer trash women that are whales. Some skinny, young trailer trash types can be ok. It's not easy to find a good trailer park type woman.

It seems like you are chasing some bougie White women with bachelor's degrees or higher. There's lot of competition for those women, especially the thin ones who are in the 6+ range.

Cleet Chasers can be hot, but they take experience to deal with it.

Two common Black male - White female pairings are...

1. College/professional athlete with White woman. In college, this is a college football/basketball player with some on-campus White woman. If the guy is in the NFL/NBA, the White woman is usually post college age. Sometimes, it can be a White, non-college girl who waitresses at a Hooters/Twin Peaks type place or she's a stripper.

2. Black man with overweight White woman. Often, the White woman is a mudshark.

I knew one overweight White woman who only had sex with Indian men, which was a less common mudshark variation.

 

[Solomon]

I wouldn't call playing captain save a hoe to another race killing it. I am obviously not seeing these upward black men date laterally or upwardly interracially. It's either with an obvious mudshark or they dolled up some girl from the hood or country lol.

Playing Captian Save a hoe? bro you sound salty. So now every black man who gets with a fine or good looking white women is playing Captian save a hoe?

I highly recommend you check out these places and find the brothers that are moving upwardly mobile

LA
NYC
Miami
Chicago
Seattle
Minneapolis
Denver

I got high end social circles in all those cities (6/7 figures) and those brothers are cleaning up with baddies that are non black women. Not just white, but being from Tennenesse makes sense why your opinion is what it is

 

[corrector]

Are you sure you black? cause as I said before I tend to see only broke black men or black men who don't have options dating bottom feeders and that goes for any race. Upward mobile black men are killing it

My black cousin in America is an anchorman who is married to a white lady who is a hairdresser. He dated way down in terms of the economic ladder and definitely did not marry a rich or upper middle-class white lady. Apart from that I don't have many other anecdotals as most of my black family simply marry other blacks or have got too old to be player types. Aside from that, @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 is spot on.
In public you do see blacks with other races, like Asians, then very rarely it is with a hb7+, they are usually hb 5-6 at best.

 

[Solomon]

My black cousin in America is an anchorman who is married to a white lady who is a hairdresser. He dated way down in terms of the economic ladder and definitely did not marry a rich or upper middle-class white lady. Apart from that I don't have many other anecdotals as most of my black family simply marry other blacks or have got too old to be player types. Aside from that, @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 is spot on.
In public you do see blacks with other races, like Asians, then very rarely it is with a hb7+, they are usually hb 5-6 at best.

Is your cousins wife hot? most men date or marry down economically I'm not arguing that
Once again I have no dog in this fight but if you go to the cities I mentioned prior than you guys would know to be wrong. The black men that have money are killing it with hot chicks.

 

[corrector]

Is your cousins wife hot? most men date or marry down economically I'm not arguing that
Once again I have no dog in this fight but if you go to the cities I mentioned prior than you guys would know to be wrong. The black men that have money are killing it with hot chicks.

Definitely hot -- if you think Katy Perry is hot. That type more or less of looks.