Incels deserve being sexless. The only person you have to blame is yourself. Unless you ruthlessly self improve for 10 years you can’t complain.

[Zimbabwe]

Life as a man sucks. It’s extremely hard. You aren’t owed anything.

You have to grind all out nonstop to become desirable and if you don’t you have no right to complain.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Is there a point you're trying to make? Incels deserve being incel if they're not willing to use escorts. But at the end of the day you can't have an advanced society with the majority of men being hard-up. It doesn't work that way. The OP, if being serious, is primitive thinking imo.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Is there a point you're trying to make? Incels deserve being incel if they're not willing to use escorts. But at the end of the day you can't have an advanced society with the majority of men being hard-up. It doesn't work that way. The OP, if being serious, is primitive thinking imo.

If they aren't willing to put in the effort to change their situation it really is their own fault. Most incels are normal with a bit of social anxiety. Our society needs men and women pairing up to star families. Our birth rates keep dropping.

 

[patb]

Incels are a godsend to genetic zeroes everywhere. Finally, they've found an acceptable target 'lower' than them to abuse for a cheap dopamine bump. Women have a new bugaboo to caterwaul about and wield as as shaming implement. Reality is, the difference between an incel and the modal prematurely balding Redditor is honesty and a sense of self-respect.

 

[patb]

If they aren't willing to put in the effort to change their situation it really is their own fault. Most incels are normal with a bit of social anxiety. Our society needs men and women pairing up to star families. Our birth rates keep dropping.

I get that you're being sardonic (I hope), but "effort" won't fix anxiety. If society throws a man away because of a "bit of social anxiety" (and it does), that's society's damnation, not the incels'.

Personally, I had the mixed fortune of being introverted, anxious and at times (horror of horrors) "awkward;" but also, tall, conventionally attractive and affluent. I would be an "incel" if not for the latter qualities; I'll never forgive society for the way it treats them.

 

[corrector]

If they aren't willing to put in the effort to change their situation it really is their own fault. Most incels are normal with a bit of social anxiety. Our society needs men and women pairing up to star families. Our birth rates keep dropping.

No worries, birthrate good in other places and Aussie will take more immigrants in like other places to solve that problem.

At the heart is it you dont really care about this or about ethnicels, but would be against whites pairing with non whites (where there is no issue at all there most of the time) right?

Therefore what you are saying sounds more like a right wing soundbite. Its called the Great Replacement conspiracy.

 

[Serenity]

Most incels are normal with a bit of social anxiety.

That's an understatement, it's obvious to me that they're riddled with far more deep seated issues than "a bit of social anxiety". Most of them are downright toxic and I wouldn't want to be around them either.

It is true however that it is entirely within their control to change themselves and their situation, their predicament isn't as involuntary as their denial would have them believe.

Hating on them accomplishes nothing other than making them double down on their denial. They should for the most part be ignored until they show behavior worthy of positive attention.

 

[patb]

That's an understatement, it's obvious to me that they're riddled with far more deep seated issues than "a bit of social anxiety". Most of them are downright toxic and I wouldn't want to be around them either.

It is true however that it is entirely within their control to change themselves and their situation, their predicament isn't as involuntary as their denial would have them believe.

Hating on them accomplishes nothing other than making them double down on their denial. They should for the most part be ignored until they show behavior worthy of positive attention.

Behavior such as stealing dates and begging for ***** at wal-mart.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Incels are a godsend to genetic zeroes everywhere. Finally, they've found an acceptable target 'lower' than them to abuse for a cheap dopamine bump. Women have a new bugaboo to caterwaul about and wield as as shaming implement. Reality is, the difference between an incel and the modal prematurely balding Redditor is honesty and a sense of self-respect.

Most Incels can be saved, there is zero hope for a reddit simp.

It is true however that it is entirely within their control to change themselves and their situation, their predicament isn't as involuntary as their denial would have them believe.

I used to be a shy loser in highschool, the only friends I had were nerds who watched anime. I realised what the problem was, and did everything in my power to fix it and get better.

It's all about personal responsibility

 

[CollegeMan22]

The majority of incels are man-children who cry about their condition in life but make no effort to actually ACT. They analyze their face shapes, not realizing that lifting will improve any face (testosterone increase + jawline). Their whole sphere seems hellbent on rationalizing their failure in the most important domain of a biological creature — sex.

I bet that nearly all of us had a period of life where we were “incels”. But instead of crying and justifying our failure, we took actionable steps to improve our station in life and our attractiveness to women. The rationalizing and pouting nature of incels make them closer to women than to men.

 

[patb]

Most Incels can be saved, there is zero hope for a reddit simp.



I used to be a shy loser in highschool, the only friends I had were nerds who watched anime. I realised what the problem was, and did everything in my power to fix it and get better.

It's all about personal responsibility

The concept of personal responsibility is abused and overused to the point where it's just about nonsense outright.

 

[corrector]

The concept of personal responsibility is abused and overused to the point where it's just about nonsense outright.

Sounds like guilt management.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Life as a man sucks. It’s extremely hard. You aren’t owed anything.

You have to grind all out nonstop to become desirable and if you don’t you have no right to complain.

Maybe your life sucks, mine is pretty awesome.

 

[sangheilios]

Is there a point you're trying to make? Incels deserve being incel if they're not willing to use escorts. But at the end of the day you can't have an advanced society with the majority of men being hard-up. It doesn't work that way. The OP, if being serious, is primitive thinking imo.

This is one of the biggest fears I have with what the current dating market is like. There are so many stats that are showing a very large number of men are literally completely sexless or very close to it. Are some of these men your stereotypical well below average man that looks like he plays world of warcraft in his basement all day, sure. However, the vast majority of these men are going to be relatively average or normal guys that really have nothing wrong with them. I'm honestly becoming very concerned about this because what ends up happening is these men basically check out from society. What will eventually happen is these men feel little to no incentive to putting in effort into anything and they begin to stagnate. Jobs that are highly male dominated, particularly those that are physically demanding or potentially hazardous, may find it difficult to hire men. Why should these men work hard and risk themselves when women are telling them they aren't good enough. Then you start having issues with our infrastructure as a whole (railroad, trucking, electrical, police, etc.). Some other longer term issues will be a further decline in marriage and children being raised in well established households. Overall the fertility rate will be declining by quite a bit but what I also see is that the children being born will be more and more raised in single mother households with no father in the picture. I see many children basically growing up in what is the norm for black families now, which is not at all a good thing.

I'm honestly incredibly worried for the future of our society and I'll be around to see all of this decay occur, worst mating market in recorded history.

 

[sangheilios]

The majority of incels are man-children who cry about their condition in life but make no effort to actually ACT. They analyze their face shapes, not realizing that lifting will improve any face (testosterone increase + jawline). Their whole sphere seems hellbent on rationalizing their failure in the most important domain of a biological creature — sex.

I bet that nearly all of us had a period of life where we were “incels”. But instead of crying and justifying our failure, we took actionable steps to improve our station in life and our attractiveness to women. The rationalizing and pouting nature of incels make them closer to women than to men.

I agree about your points regarding those who are extremist on the manosphere, blackpill, MGTOW, etc. However, the reality is that a very large number of young men in our society, at least the west and the U.S, are completely sexless or very close to it. As I mentioned on my other post on here, are some of these men legitimately below average, yes. However, the vast majority of them are not going to be morbidly obese, have terrible hygiene or any other highly negative trait and instead will just be a range of otherwise normal men.

I've noticed over the last year or two that there have been A LOT of youtube channels popping up talking about the issues with the modern dating market, including the prevalence of male sexlessness, and they are garnering A LOT of views. This echoes that there is something dreadfully going wrong with our society right now and I'm actually very concerned about this.

Here is a video from a youtuber that should really be an eye opener, very scary stuff. Are all women akin to those you see in that video, no. However, enough of them are where it has an impact on the mating market on a broader scale, both directly and indirectly.

Women React To Dating Profiles & Swipe In Real Time - YouTube

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Prior to modern age, all a man had to do was have a salary to get a girl. Now, a man must be able to provide more than a salary or something else to get a girl. TBH, I think most men are lazy and cry about any little resistance they have to do dating. In addition, you have the RP cult and influencers like Fresh and Fraud poisoning men's minds.

 

[sangheilios]

Prior to modern age, all a man had to do was have a salary to get a girl. Now, a man must be able to provide more than a salary or something else to get a girl. TBH, I think most men are lazy and cry about any little resistance they have to do dating. In addition, you have the RP cult and influencers like Fresh and Fraud poisoning men's minds.

The thing is, the whole red pill, black pill and all this other crap exists BECAUSE of the dating market being complete trash due to women's behavior towards men. Baby boomer males literally just needed to show up and they'd eventually get married and have children, it was incredibly unusual for them to be childless bachelors, it existed but they were not at all the norm. Many boomer men would be complete incels if they were to be young men in today's dating market. Women's expectations today are substantially loftier than that of their mothers, grandmothers, etc. A major part of this is due to the sheer abundance of options they have due to dating apps and social media. An average woman in a good sized metro could make a tinder profile and literally have dozens of men swipe right on her within a week. This woman would have more options in this short span of time than women of previous generations may have had in an entire lifetime. Ask any female you know that is on these apps and you'll see it for yourself, I personally can cite a few women that are very overweight and yet they literally have an entire harem of men to choose from.

What I'm getting at is the modern dating market is far more difficult for men now than it has ever been and when large numbers of them are getting little to no success they naturally become frustrated. They then start looking up stuff on the internet about game and all of this other nonsense and eventually stumble upon some of these red pill forums where other men are venting their frustrations about experiences that they can relate to in some way or another. I do agree that some of the stuff on black pill and more extreme versions of this is very toxic but there is a reason these followings exist in the first place.

 

[RickTheToad]

Life as a man sucks. It’s extremely hard. You aren’t owed anything.

You have to grind all out nonstop to become desirable and if you don’t you have no right to complain.

If you think life as a dude is hard, then you have it easy compared to us toads. A toad's life is crazy difficult. Son, you just don't understand.

 

[corrector]

The thing is, the whole red pill, black pill and all this other crap exists BECAUSE of the dating market being complete trash due to women's behavior towards men. Baby boomer males literally just needed to show up and they'd eventually get married and have children, it was incredibly unusual for them to be childless bachelors, it existed but they were not at all the norm. Many boomer men would be complete incels if they were to be young men in today's dating market. Women's expectations today are substantially loftier than that of their mothers, grandmothers, etc. A major part of this is due to the sheer abundance of options they have due to dating apps and social media. An average woman in a good sized metro could make a tinder profile and literally have dozens of men swipe right on her within a week. This woman would have more options in this short span of time than women of previous generations may have had in an entire lifetime. Ask any female you know that is on these apps and you'll see it for yourself, I personally can cite a few women that are very overweight and yet they literally have an entire harem of men to choose from.

What I'm getting at is the modern dating market is far more difficult for men now than it has ever been and when large numbers of them are getting little to no success they naturally become frustrated. They then start looking up stuff on the internet about game and all of this other nonsense and eventually stumble upon some of these red pill forums where other men are venting their frustrations about experiences that they can relate to in some way or another. I do agree that some of the stuff on black pill and more extreme versions of this is very toxic but there is a reason these followings exist in the first place.

@Zimbabwe is totally tone deaf on this one. .

 

[sangheilios]

@Zimbabwe is totally tone deaf on this one. .

I don't identify with the whole black pill, red pill, etc. but I've been out of the dating market for a very long time. There's a reason why all of these youtube channels, such as the one I linked above, have been popping up over the last year or two that are drawing A LOT of attention. I'm honestly very concerned about this for the sake of our society as a whole, where men are feeling more disenchanted with literally everything and start checking out altogether. While the behavior of women is to blame, it's really just a result of technology and social programming and not entirely their fault. Ironically, often times they will end up lonely and depressed. They may be able to get some side **** here and there but due to their standards they end up alone because literally no man is good enough. I am starting to believe that some of this may be intentional but that's speculation.