Are most guys just bad in bed

[Barrister]

If women are sufficiently turned on, most (maybe not all), are always going to be extremely complimentary towards you. I have had performances before that I know weren't great and afterwards the woman will tell me how amazing I was. It is more about activating her desire than it is about technique. If her desire is through the roof before you even start messing around, she will cvm quickly and likely multiple times without you doing much at all. Hell, I have had a couple cvm just from feeling them up through their clothes they were so turned on.

Not saying having good technique in bed is a bad thing. It can certainly separate you for a longer period of time -- but it is of less importance.

 

[pipeman84]

@catsmeow2 this was a comment left by a female reader on a Dailymail article about sex and female orgasms

For me, it's all in the mind...I recall being so in love (and lust), that I once experienced an orgasm just thinking of the guy, whilst sat at my desk at work!

What's your take on it?

Offtopic: why was Pan87 banned?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

If women are sufficiently turned on, most (maybe not all), are always going to be extremely complimentary towards you. I have had performances before that I know weren't great and afterwards the woman will tell me how amazing I was. It is more about activating her desire than it is about technique. If her desire is through the roof before you even start messing around, she will cvm quickly and likely multiple times without you doing much at all. Hell, I have had a couple cvm just from feeling them up through their clothes they were so turned on.

Not saying having good technique in bed is a bad thing. It can certainly separate you for a longer period of time -- but it is of less importance.

I think this is how sex starts and fizzles down as the relationship progresses. The sex is hot for the girl because the guy is New and is her type, so as long as the guy isn't a complete dud in Bed, she will like the sex. However, the newness of the guy begins to fade and the sex starts to become more of a chore to her. Eventually, this guy is over here telling guys never to get married/date because the sex will die down. Nah man, you just were lazy in bed.

 

[Barrister]

I think this is how sex starts and fizzles down as the relationship progresses. The sex is hot for the girl because the guy is New and is her type, so as long as the guy isn't a complete dud in Bed, she will like the sex. However, the newness of the guy begins to fade and the sex starts to become more of a chore to her. Eventually, this guy is over here telling guys never to get married/date because the sex will die down. Nah man, you just were lazy in bed.

I do agree with most of what you said. But I will say this - if you are in a long term relationship (5+ years), the sex is going to die down no matter how tight your relationship game is. Now, it should never be less than twice in a week in my mind. That signals problems. But you aren't going to be banging multiple times per day well into a relationship like at the start where you are fvcking like rabbits. Regardless of anything you do.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I do agree with most of what you said. But I will say this - if you are in a long term relationship (5+ years), the sex is going to die down no matter how tight your relationship game is. Now, it should never be less than twice in a week in my mind. That signals problems. But you aren't going to be banging multiple times per day well into a relationship like at the start where you are fvcking like rabbits. Regardless of anything you do.

Yeah, keeping your sex game on point and fvcking like rabbits constantly is not sustainable at all. It should be the man in the position of controlling the sex not the woman. If you are not in the mood, tell her, but don't be a lazy shvt about it lol.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

100% agree. The logical consequence is that the 'women have such abundance' mantra repeated by some frustrated guys is patently false. Yeah, abundance of bad sex and pump&dump`ers...what sane woman wants that?

So what's the secret?

Find the spongy section on the inside right wall of the vag, that is the G-spot. Women who have trouble squirting/orgasming typically have it farther up making it more difficult to stimulate.

Takes some practice to figure out the best way to stimulate that area but once you do, it will serve you well in your travels, trust me.

 

[2Rocky]

Find the spongy section on the inside right wall of the vag, that is the G-spot. Women who have trouble squirting/orgasming typically have it farther up making it more difficult to stimulate.

Takes some practice to figure out the best way to stimulate that area but once you do, it will serve you well in your travels, trust me.

From experience, don't go right at it. Too much too soon. But women vary on the balance of Cl1toral, G and deep spot stimulation. It takes multiple experiences with a woman to find her balance of the three. Learn her cues.

For the most part though an emotional connection is like a multiplier in erotic response. Create that connection and you will think you are the world's best lover. And at that moment, in her mind, you are...

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Find the spongy section on the inside right wall of the vag, that is the G-spot. Women who have trouble squirting/orgasming typically have it farther up making it more difficult to stimulate.

Idk man, it seems like you find the right spot for one girl and you try it on another and she is like wtf are you doing . It's a case by case basis for me it seems like

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Unless it is your wife/girlfriend...Im not too sure whether or not we (men) should give a damn about what women think about our sex game.

That is just me, though.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Unless it is your wife/girlfriend...Im not too sure whether or not we (men) should give a damn about what women think about our sex game.

That is just me, though.

To me, a one-night stand is glorified masturbation

 

[sangheilios]

I personally believe that this whole thing about men being good or bad at sex is a myth. I believe that a woman's enjoyment of a sexual interaction is entirely based on how attracted she is by you. If a woman is highly attracted to you, she will already be aroused before you've even touched her, so virtually anything you do will be highly enjoyable for her. Women like this are also going to pretty much let you do whatever you want and will do whatever you want them to do, they are fully submitted at this point. However, when a woman is not really that attracted to you or on the fence it will take a lot more work for her to become aroused or want to fully submit to you. This is when it starts becoming a chore for her and she really doesn't enjoy the interaction at all.

I really don't think it needs more explanation than this. Some obvious exceptions to this would be like a man having a micro penis, erectile issues/dysfunction or ejaculating in a very short period of time, etc.

 

[zekko]

Yes, most guys are bad in bed. I've had MANY conversations with MANY women about this subject. Most guys don't take the time to make sure the woman is satisfied, it's all about him.

Even on this forum, there is a large contingent that maintains that sex is for the man's pleasure, and that a true alpha will simply use the girl for his pleasure, and that being concerned about the woman's pleasure is beta.

 

[logicallefty]

Even on this forum, there is a large contingent that maintains that sex is for the man's pleasure, and that a true alpha will simply use the girl for his pleasure, and that being concerned about the woman's pleasure is beta.

Yes, and that's too bad too. Guys like to have their egos stroked. I can tell you there isn't much that can stoke my ego more than giving a woman 10-15 O's in several hours, having her tell me she's never had another guy even come close to doing that for her, and then watching her pass out in exhaustion. I fell bad for the guys who will never get to experience this.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

I personally believe that this whole thing about men being good or bad at sex is a myth. I believe that a woman's enjoyment of a sexual interaction is entirely based on how attracted she is by you. If a woman is highly attracted to you, she will already be aroused before you've even touched her, so virtually anything you do will be highly enjoyable for her. Women like this are also going to pretty much let you do whatever you want and will do whatever you want them to do, they are fully submitted at this point. However, when a woman is not really that attracted to you or on the fence it will take a lot more work for her to become aroused or want to fully submit to you. This is when it starts becoming a chore for her and she really doesn't enjoy the interaction at all.

I really don't think it needs more explanation than this. Some obvious exceptions to this would be like a man having a micro penis, erectile issues/dysfunction or ejaculating in a very short period of time, etc.

Women only fvck guys that they are attracted too. That attraction level varies on a lot things and that's a whole separate topic on its own. However, bad sex game does not help your aattraction level. It won't directly kill the relationship, but it will start to cause other problems. I do agree that this is what drives the sex early on for these types of couples, but they always run out of steam and end up in dead bedroom situations. This is why these guys always have to chase new pvssy because they cannot properly fvck a girl and have to rely on the new guy energy. Most guys in relationships rely off of doggy treat sex by hoping it happens after dates, her nightly wine drink, and etc. You just turn in to the cute boyfriend that she can show off instead of the sexy boyfriend that puts her to sleep every night. I have been in both positions of the boyfriend. The one position where you have to wait for sex, and while on your date; you are just constantly thinking about whether or not she will let you fvck her at the end of the night OR The other position where she fvcks you before the date and you are frantically trying to get to the event on time and then you get home and just want to sleep/or play some COD and she's trying to fvck you again lol.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

I think what @catsmeow2 said is pretty accurate. The pitfall is how men view and experience sex compared to women. It is different and it will always be different.

What this means is that most men that don't understand and somewhat relate to how women experience sex will always be "bad" in bed. Granted how most men view sex is closely correlated to how their brains have been conditioned by the media and especially the Porn industry. Sex for most men is an individualistic, egotistic, and physical transaction.

Not saying there are some technicalities when it comes to sex, knowing how to move, your presence and energy, assertiveness, etc, etc because there are technicalities that most men are unaware of. Especially, when it comes to oral sex. Most men are clueless and like some members here have stated in other threads, are just against it as they see it as a form of submission/beta mentality.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Idk man, it seems like you find the right spot for one girl and you try it on another and she is like wtf are you doing . It's a case by case basis for me it seems like

That's because some of them literally don't know of the existence of it.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I personally believe that this whole thing about men being good or bad at sex is a myth. I believe that a woman's enjoyment of a sexual interaction is entirely based on how attracted she is by you. If a woman is highly attracted to you, she will already be aroused before you've even touched her, so virtually anything you do will be highly enjoyable for her. Women like this are also going to pretty much let you do whatever you want and will do whatever you want them to do, they are fully submitted at this point. However, when a woman is not really that attracted to you or on the fence it will take a lot more work for her to become aroused or want to fully submit to you. This is when it starts becoming a chore for her and she really doesn't enjoy the interaction at all.

I really don't think it needs more explanation than this. Some obvious exceptions to this would be like a man having a micro penis, erectile issues/dysfunction or ejaculating in a very short period of time, etc.

100% false.

 

[sangheilios]

Women only fvck guys that they are attracted too. That attraction level varies on a lot things and that's a whole separate topic on its own. However, bad sex game does not help your aattraction level. It won't directly kill the relationship, but it will start to cause other problems. I do agree that this is what drives the sex early on for these types of couples, but they always run out of steam and end up in dead bedroom situations. This is why these guys always have to chase new pvssy because they cannot properly fvck a girl and have to rely on the new guy energy. Most guys in relationships rely off of doggy treat sex by hoping it happens after dates, her nightly wine drink, and etc. You just turn in to the cute boyfriend that she can show off instead of the sexy boyfriend that puts her to sleep every night. I have been in both positions of the boyfriend. The one position where you have to wait for sex, and while on your date; you are just constantly thinking about whether or not she will let you fvck her at the end of the night OR The other position where she fvcks you before the date and you are frantically trying to get to the event on time and then you get home and just want to sleep/or play some COD and she's trying to fvck you again lol.

That's not entirely true. There are plenty of women that will date or enter long term relationships with men that they aren't all that attracted to, this also applies to men as well. There is a reason why a significant number of marriages end up becoming totally sexless or very close to it. Given enough time with any relationship, the novelty of physical attraction eventually fades, and it requires more effort to create a spark. There's a reason why romance novels and soap operas were so popular back in the day.

In my opinion, most women have a spectrum with men that are potential suitors, meaning it's not clearly a yes or no but often times somewhere in between. Women could definitely look at certain men and clearly say there was no chance with them. Women can also look at certain men and be on the fence with them, where they may be open to it but then it wouldn't take much for them to reject. This is where women feel about most men, which is where I could totally see how needing to be "on your game" is very important and this ties in with what you mentioned. However, in an ideal scenario men are landing women that are actually attracted to them, where the progression of the relationship flows easily and naturally and not where you are being rejected for petty little issues, not just including sex based skills here.

I recall reading a study quite a while ago that was about the topic of sexual satisfaction of women. One part of it was purely related to the male sex partner they had and it showed that the higher degree their attraction towards the man was the more likely they were to be able to achieve and orgasm, etc. This shouldn't be a shock, when she is highly attracted to the man she is already primed. Think about some woman dating some guy that is 6'3", handsome and in clothes looks fit, etc. She's already attracted to him and then when they are alone together he takes off his clothes, revealing a very fit body, and he pops out some 7"+ ****. Unless she is a lesbian, this guy could be a virgin and yet she'd probably have the night of her life lol. Contrast this with some totally average guy that she feels luke warm towards, he takes off his clothes and he's got maybe an extra 5-10 pounds, not fat but not really fit, and has an average sized penis. This guy would have to put in far more work for her to experience the same degree of sexual satisfaction than the previous example.

 

[sangheilios]

100% false.

No it's not.

A woman's degree of attraction towards a man is a major part of how satisfied she will be with a sexual encounter.

I'm repeating what I mentioned on my previous post.

If some guy that is 5'6" and 250 pounds is sitting next to her on her couch when they are alone, if that even would happen, she'd be as dry as the Sahara Desert. Just about nothing he would do would get her aroused or get her interested in a sexual interaction, as it probably wouldn't even happen in the first place.

If some totally average guy, about 5'10" with an average build, maybe 5-10 pounds overweight, is sitting next to her she may be open to it, especially if they are in that scenario of being alone together. She is kind of on the fence about it, like he is not great but not bad. He's going to have to compensate for this in order to get her aroused in the first place, let alone have a chance of a longer term sexual relationship. If he pulls out some 5" ****, has premature ejaculation issues, has no stamina or rhythm he loses points and it's very likely he will be rejected for anything further. In a situation like this, he'd need to bring more to the table to keep her interested, which is what ties in with what you and @Jake_Gyllenhaal69 believe.

If some guy, about 6'3" and fit is in the picture she's far more attracted to this guy than the other examples. This guy doesn't need to do much of anything and she'd already be down to have sex with him with little resistance or need for stimulation, as she's already aroused by him. If he takes his clothes off, revealing a fit body, and then whips out some 7"+ **** she's going to have the night of her life. This man would have to completely screw it up to ruin his chances of being able to have her available sexually again. The trend here is that "chad" doesn't have to put anywhere near the same effort into something like this in order to not only have this one single sexual encounter but to have repeat ones with the same woman.

This is very black pill sounding but it's the truth, anyone saying otherwise is just coping to protect their own ego.

 

[sangheilios]

I think what @catsmeow2 said is pretty accurate. The pitfall is how men view and experience sex compared to women. It is different and it will always be different.

What this means is that most men that don't understand and somewhat relate to how women experience sex will always be "bad" in bed. Granted how most men view sex is closely correlated to how their brains have been conditioned by the media and especially the Porn industry. Sex for most men is an individualistic, egotistic, and physical transaction.

Not saying there are some technicalities when it comes to sex, knowing how to move, your presence and energy, assertiveness, etc, etc because there are technicalities that most men are unaware of. Especially, when it comes to oral sex. Most men are clueless and like some members here have stated in other threads, are just against it as they see it as a form of submission/beta mentality.

I've heard a lot of black men say that they will not go down on a woman. I've never inquired as to why, but I believe that the mindset is that it is submissive and something you do if you are looking to please a woman. Some on here may say that is a bad thing but black male game clearly works quite well with certain types of women. They treat women like objects that exist to please themselves with and nothing more, yet despite this these women love it. I believe a big part of why it works is because these women are desperately chasing for the approval of these men. If these men were to occasionally dabble in going down on a woman, they'd be ecstatic because it's a novelty and not something at all expected.

I totally agree though that men and women experience sex completely differently. Most men could see an attractive woman and be totally down to have sex with her right then and there if she were open to it. Something like this would not at all be the case for women with a man they thought was attractive.