what is my smv?

[forcerecon01]

Yeah I generally stand behind height, hair and $ (aka Big Three) for mature guys.

Balding is probably less common with Asian guys, but can still happen.

Boosting income would be great, but that’s a different and more complicated discussion.

I would focus on the weight first unless you are already very jacked. It would be the lower hanging fruit. Weight/fitness is not a Big Three criteria, but it’s a very important “wildcard.”

I guess what we are trying to say here is the actual SMV “number” isn’t so much the point. It’s about trying to maximize whatever it might be.

If you must have a number, you could either go by the most attractive woman you could pull as devilking says, or alternatively, you could try this method:

Do you have any female friends that try to fix you up or at least suggest/hint at other women for you to date? The looks level of the recommended chick is your approx SMV. This gives reliably conservative results because women generally won’t recommend someone out of your league.

Awesome! thanks for your input.

 

[forcerecon01]

i find it quite amusing how fixated everyone on this forum is with income

Ok don't get wrong money is important to live a comfortable life but theres really not much difference in day to day lifestyles between the guy who makes 50K and the guy who makes 100K

You wouldn need to be making about 1 milly a year to see a blind bit of difference in day to day living unless you want to put your middle class consumerism on steroids

I don't really see how that is going to make any difference in finding a partner and if it does then that is defentiley not a partner you want to be with long term

It's 2022 folks women make their own money they can pay their own way quite easily

The "provider" aspect within the working class male / female dynamic is dead and has been for quite a while

it only really matters with

A) girls who don't want to earn their own money

B) Eastern cultures

C) Elite circles where one needs to significantly appear better than than the next


thanks for your input.

Everyone else is just average as far as it comes to finances

 

[characternote]

i find it quite amusing how fixated everyone on this forum is with income

I didn't want to say anything, but I find it kinda funny too
What's interesting is I was gonna reply about how maybe it's US thing because things just seem different here, and then when I saw your post I see you're also from the UK so maybe it really is a US thing! lol

I even remember watching American films when I was young and a guy's talking too a girl in a bar and she's grilling him about what car he drive and what he earns. I don't think that even happens in British films lol. Is it really another little cultural difference there? Girls do'nt seem to really care??!

I have lots of friends in their 30's with a spectrum of like 20k per year to 150k per year, and i've never seen a pattern at ALL in terms of the richer guys getting more pu$sy. I don't think it matters unless you are making F-U money which basically none of us are gonna. As you say, your life just isn't THAT much different in lifestyle whether you're on 40k or 100k.

I have a friend who played in the premier league for a team who won the title whilst he was captain who obviously makes obscene money and he's the only person I can think of who actually could have got laid a tonne as a result of his money

 

[forcerecon01]

Im sure if he were to hop on a plane to Thailand or an asian dominated town in California or something, he could find someone if he makes the right approach.

If you’re an asian man like myself, you approach asian women as your main target market. Those hot imported asian thots on instagram, tend to be cliquey and stay with their own kind.

Also, if you want to date something different, I suggest latina women. There as short as asian men and more open to interracial relationships. I know a childhood friend dating one right now in Austin. Force recon, I know you’re a big foodie in real life, wouldn’t you want someone who can cook you up a nice plate of mexican food every night? lol Im just sayin.

good point

 

[member160292]

I didn't want to say anything, but I find it kinda funny too
What's interesting is I was gonna reply about how maybe it's US thing because things just seem different here, and then when I saw your post I see you're also from the UK so maybe it really is a US thing! lol

I even remember watching American films when I was young and a guy's talking too a girl in a bar and she's grilling him about what car he drive and what he earns. I don't think that even happens in British films lol. Is it really another little cultural difference there? Girls do'nt seem to really care??!

I have lots of friends in their 30's with a spectrum of like 20k per year to 150k per year, and i've never seen a pattern at ALL in terms of the richer guys getting more pu$sy. I don't think it matters unless you are making F-U money which basically none of us are gonna. As you say, your life just isn't THAT much different in lifestyle whether you're on 40k or 100k.

I have a friend who played in the premier league for a team who won the title whilst he was captain who obviously makes obscene money and he's the only person I can think of who actually could have got laid a tonne as a result of his money

It's not about getting money to get laid, it's having disposable income to fulfill the lifestyle you want

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's not about getting money to get laid, it's having disposable income to fulfill the lifestyle you want

Also for retaining the girl. This is not a PUA forum. After you bang the broad a few times and she starts thinking long term, provider potential does matter. Half the threads here start with “she went cold after 3 weeks”

 

[forcerecon01]

depends also how you are at a personal level

Are you a good communicator ?

Are you more extroverted than introverted ?

how are your fundamentals ? ( clothing style , haircut , non verbal communication , etc )

do you have any male friends at least ? If guys do not like you , very unlikely that women will

do you have anything interesting about yourself ?

do you have any cool stories ?

your smv is based on multiple factors , not only height , face , how much money you make

the more you lack on one side , the more you have to add on other sides

cool thanks.

 

[Bigpapa]

Also for retaining the girl. This is not a PUA forum. After you bang the broad a few times and she starts thinking long term, provider potential does matter. Half the threads here start with “she went cold after 3 weeks”

would have been perfect if this would have been the case

most of the threads is about going abroad to bang ugly women , incels complaining how unfair it is , guys who say that they are too broke to even date , etc etc

 

[Bigpapa]

I didn't want to say anything, but I find it kinda funny too
What's interesting is I was gonna reply about how maybe it's US thing because things just seem different here, and then when I saw your post I see you're also from the UK so maybe it really is a US thing! lol

I even remember watching American films when I was young and a guy's talking too a girl in a bar and she's grilling him about what car he drive and what he earns. I don't think that even happens in British films lol. Is it really another little cultural difference there? Girls do'nt seem to really care??!

I have lots of friends in their 30's with a spectrum of like 20k per year to 150k per year, and i've never seen a pattern at ALL in terms of the richer guys getting more pu$sy. I don't think it matters unless you are making F-U money which basically none of us are gonna. As you say, your life just isn't THAT much different in lifestyle whether you're on 40k or 100k.

I have a friend who played in the premier league for a team who won the title whilst he was captain who obviously makes obscene money and he's the only person I can think of who actually could have got laid a tonne as a result of his money

as long as you can afford to live a decent lifestyle , money becomes less and less important . If you are older and want younger girls , then yeah … money becomes more important

but if you are 43 and the target is 30+ women , it should be something neutral ( as long as you do not get for the crazy ones ) - but most likely mostly they will be single moms etc etc

50k in the UK is not bad . I think that is above average . Even for London

 

[Jor-El]

Agree with the income obsession on here...I know guys with no money who pull all the time,and guys with ££ who cant pull to save their life...I guess all things being equal having dollar makes everything easier,but,its not a deal breaker I dont think for s*x. Looks,attitude more important id say

 

[EyeBRollin]

Agree with the income obsession on here...I know guys with no money who pull all the time,and guys with ££ who cant pull to save their life...I guess all things being equal having dollar makes everything easier,but,its not a deal breaker I dont think for s*x. Looks,attitude more important id say

Yes, it is not a dealer breaker for sex. That doesn’t mean much. Sex is cheap and easy to come by in the West. Not an accurate judge of anything..,

 

[Bigpapa]

Agree with the income obsession on here...I know guys with no money who pull all the time,and guys with ££ who cant pull to save their life...I guess all things being equal having dollar makes everything easier,but,its not a deal breaker I dont think for s*x. Looks,attitude more important id say

way easier to blame someone else for your lack of success , than to blame yourself

all this people who say that they are too poor to date , I am quite sure that they also have a toxic mentality + lazy + entitled

there are people that are indeed extremely poor ( think about the refugees of war ) but this is only temporary . Not a life long thing

 

[forcerecon01]

seem heavy for your height. how’s your face?

 

[EyeBRollin]

Your facial aesthetics are not bad at all. And you have hair. If you lose some weight, the jawline will start to show. You will look more masculine.

 

[forcerecon01]

Your facial aesthetics are not bad at all. And you have hair. If you lose some weight, the jawline in your face will start to show. Much more masculine.

cool I do know I got to work on that. thanks

 

[forcerecon01]

With all respect, you need to improve my brother. Unless you have a model face, your income, height, and physique put you below average. Probably a 4. Currently, you will be fortunate to pull average looking broads.

Lose some weight, get down to 160 (170 is ok if you are jacked strong as a bull). Pick up a side hustle. Need to get that income to at least $80K. Goal long term needs to be 100K+ minimum. Keep in mind $50K at 43 looks worse than $50K at 23. People expect men over 30 to be making strides in their career.

To my brothers over 40, please take the health and BMI seriously. Forget women for a second. Unhealthy weight over 40 really opens the door for things like diabetes and heart disease. Shvt is real and silently kills us with no warnings. Get that weight down to a healthy level.

thanks for keeping it real brother.

 

[member160292]

Lookin good, as EyeB is saying, you can easily get a jawline if you dropped a few lbs.

 

[forcerecon01]

Lookin good, as EyeB is saying, you can easily get a jawline if you dropped a few lbs.

gotta do the treadmill thing at the gym . Thanks!

 

[member160292]

gotta do the treadmill thing at the gym . Thanks!

Diet is much more important. A lot of Asian cuisine have carbs and hidden sugars, stay away from those.

 

[forcerecon01]

Diet is much more important. A lot of Asian cuisine have carbs and hidden sugars, stay away from those.

It's hard for me to stay away from asian cuisine. I love it so much so lol.