Different types of red pill

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

So thats a red pill truth

Since it has to do with women and their nature, sure.

 

[Hoodie]

Social Media is mainly porn and toxic content for women. Idk many guys wasting their lives over Instagram or tik tok unless they swing for the other team lol. The biggest issues for men are low work ethic IMHO & chasing this demigod father figure like Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, and etc.

I have no trouble with lots of the messaging of those guys. I think as a person looking for truth and reality, you should be able to filter what someone says, from who they are.

 

[SW15]

Yeppers, I think the red pill is more of a Gen X/Older Millennial thing, your solid millennials are mainly blue pill/purple pill and Gen Z and Zillennials (Cusper Millennials) are black pill

In any generation, most men are beta males/blue pill.

The black pill ideology would be appealing even to older Millennials (let's say 1982-1986 births). The Millennial generation started in either 1981 or 1982, depending on source. The Pew Research definition starting it in 1981 has become more commonly accepted and cited than leading generational theorists Strauss and Howe starting it in 1982.

The oldest Millennials are getting old now. They are in middle age.

I'm an older Millennial and I can see how a lot of trends so common now had their beginnings in the early to mid-2000s when older Millennial were around 18-21. When I was in college (2001-05), people were using AOL Instant Messanger on their computers more than making phone calls, the precursor to text messaging, especially in 2001-2004. MySpace came online in 2003 and Facebook came online in 2004. MySpace got bigger faster and was a real thing by my senior year in college (2004-05). I got some dates sending DMs on MySpace in 2005 just as I was moving to a new city after college graduation. By 2005, online dating websites were a real thing. Match had been around for 10 years and was de-stigmatized. OkCupid launched in 2004 and was somewhat chic in 2005. PlentyofFish was around, having launched in 2003. All of shiit we complain about on swipe apps now were going on with the dating websites by the 2007-2011 era.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

We throw all these pills around, but what are the definitions of them?

I believe there only is one pill, which is the red pill. The understanding of how things work, regarding women and "the system".

I don't know the definitions of the other pills.

Red Pill: Think Mgtow and more focused on divorce rape, toxic sex in the city behavior, and single moms. These men are completely fine with pay to play, seeking arrangements, or Geomaxing to avoid dealing with normal relationships lol- Content Creators: Coach Red Pill before he got captured lol, Coach Greg Adams, Sand Man, Aaron Clarey.

Purple Pill: Well aware of toxic female behavior and repercussions, but still choose to be in relationships and pursue marriage. Tbh the vast majority of men fall into this category. Most of your Black Pill and Red Pill tryhards are one ******* away from being purple pilled lol. Rollo Tomassi, Entrepreneur in Cars, Wheat Waffles, Fresh and Fit, Abba and Preach, How to Beast, Alexander Grace, and Alpha Male Strategies are all purple pill creators. I feel like the Purple Pill has replaced the Blue Pill because everyone on this earth is aware of toxic female behavior by now. I know I will get some blowback, but these guys are purple pill because they are still telling you to approach and date women plain and simple/they are dating or married to women themselves.

Black Pill/Crimson Pill: The cels such as incels, gymcels, and etc. Defeatism and choosing to complain about women/dating rather than improving oneself to date, going MGTOW, or pay to play. These guys are mainly on Forums and their biggest platform was the Misc on bodybuilding forums. Now these guys just hop on to whatever bandwagon leader rises up such as Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, and etc.

They are all essentially the same thing, the biggest difference is what you choose to do with your knowledge of women.

 

[corrector]

So this is in essence another trap, cause by falling into this lifestyle you become another consumer slave, which hinders you in becoming a realized person. Which is the end goal.

Not really. If you are not getting any attention or traction from women then that is more likely to be relief. I'm currently not subscribing to OF or looking at porn and have been away from that since May, but might plan on going back there again later on this month. Not subscribing to OF, or not looking at porn has not done anything for me. If I were a slave then I would not have been able to stop that for a while. At the end of the day OF/pics offers a sense of connection with hot women that's too absent on the day to day.

 

[corrector]

Black pill is what incels and some total beta males are... They have pretty much accepted that the only way they can please themselves is by watching internet porn for the rest of their lives and have no chance at having sex with a women without paying for it. These are usually very mysoginistic and spiteful men.

The Black pill is the same as the Red-pill but without having anything to really work with. If you can't apply Red-pill ideas in a way that is beneficial, then by default you are left with Black-pill or lose your desire for women altogether and become volcel. Also if you are trying to self-improve and are not meeting or dealing with any women in the meantime, then that still sounds a bit blue-pillish.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The Black pill is the same as the Red-pill but without having anything to really work with. If you can't apply Red-pill ideas in a way that is beneficial, then by default you are left with Black-pill or lose your desire for women altogether and become volcel. Also if you are trying to self-improve and are not meeting or dealing with any women in the meantime, then that still sounds a bit blue-pillish.

Exactly, it's mainly what you apply to the world around you. Black Pillers choose to do nothing while if you are still choosing to date women the traditional way then you are purple pilled (blue-pillish). True Red Pillers just Geo Max or pay for it to satisfy their urges.

 

[Hoodie]

Not really. If you are not getting any attention or traction from women then that is more likely to be relief. I'm currently not subscribing to OF or looking at porn and have been away from that since May, but might plan on going back there again later on this month. Not subscribing to OF, or not looking at porn has not done anything for me. If I were a slave then I would not have been able to stop that for a while. At the end of the day OF/pics offers a sense of connection with hot women that's too absent on the day to day.

Is that your ideal?

 

[Hoodie]

The Black pill is the same as the Red-pill but without having anything to really work with. If you can't apply Red-pill ideas in a way that is beneficial, then by default you are left with Black-pill or lose your desire for women altogether and become volcel. Also if you are trying to self-improve and are not meeting or dealing with any women in the meantime, then that still sounds a bit blue-pillish.

I don't see how self improving is blue pill. You do self improvement, so that you can have more opportunities and be less desperate and simpish.
Gaining understanding of women, so you can make a decision to approach them or not, is in a way self improvement.
Everything we do is in a way either self improving or self- destructive.

 

[SmoothHendrixPS2]

I don't see how self improving is blue pill. You do self improvement, so that you can have more opportunities and be less desperate and simpish.

Many blue pill cats work towards self improvement, being successful, getting in shape, but are still stuck in blue pill mentality. The reality is that many wealthy and successful men are beta. These are the guys that manipulative women target. They know they can suck the resources and non sexual time out of these dudes.

 

[corrector]

Is that your ideal?

Is what my ideal? Can you be more specific?

 

[Hoodie]

Many blue pill cats work towards self improvement, being successful, getting in shape, but are still stuck in blue pill mentality. The reality is that many wealthy and successful men are beta. These are the guys that manipulative women target. They know they can suck the resources and non sexual time out of these dudes.

So the best would be to have all those things, and be red pilled. So you don't get used for your resources, either your attention nor your money.

 

[Hoodie]

Is what my ideal? Can you be more specific?

In terms of relating to women, is only fans your ideal way to relate to women?
You know that the communication with only fans models are most likely indian men being paid to respond, or AI. Doesn't that knowledge destroy the experience?

 

[SW15]

Red Pill: Think Mgtow and more focused on divorce rape, toxic sex in the city behavior, and single moms. These men are completely fine with pay to play, seeking arrangements, or Geomaxing to avoid dealing with normal relationships lol- Content Creators: Coach Red Pill before he got captured lol, Coach Greg Adams, Sand Man, Aaron Clarey.

Red pill is fine with men having extended relationships without putting a ring on it. I don't think red pill is MGTOW. MGTOW is a part of black pill.

"Enjoy the Decline" by Aaron Clarey is a good long form red pill book. It doesn't advise marriage or children.

Purple Pill: Well aware of toxic female behavior and repercussions, but still choose to be in relationships and pursue marriage. Tbh the vast majority of men fall into this category. Most of your Black Pill and Red Pill tryhards are one ******* away from being purple pilled lol. Rollo Tomassi, Entrepreneur in Cars, Wheat Waffles, Fresh and Fit, Abba and Preach, How to Beast, Alexander Grace, and Alpha Male Strategies are all purple pill creators. I feel like the Purple Pill has replaced the Blue Pill because everyone on this earth is aware of toxic female behavior by now. I know I will get some blowback, but these guys are purple pill because they are still telling you to approach and date women plain and simple/they are dating or married to women themselves.

The blue pill is still real. I look at the friends I've made since moving to Dallas who are mostly married men. They are still blue pill. I can't make a case for many of them that they are even purple pilled. If Rollo Tomassi is purple pill (I agree), my married men Dallas-era friends are not even at that point, which makes them blue pilled.

I thought Wheat Waffles was a black pill channel and Alexander Grace seems debatable about red or black.

I think the differentiation between red and purple pill is getting married. Red pill guys will approach and bang. Purple pillers will cohabit and possibly get married. A red pill guy probably won't cohabit.

Black Pill/Crimson Pill: The cels such as incels, gymcels, and etc. Defeatism and choosing to complain about women/dating rather than improving oneself to date, going MGTOW, or pay to play. These guys are mainly on Forums and their biggest platform was the Misc on bodybuilding forums. Now these guys just hop on to whatever bandwagon leader rises up such as Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, and etc.

They are all essentially the same thing, the biggest difference is what you choose to do with your knowledge of women.
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MGTOW is growing and that's one component of black pill. I see that the black pill has gotten way more popular since the mid-2010s. Even Roosh said he'd moved from red pill to black pill prior to his religious conversion.

The black pill is the more fatalistic version of the red pill.

 

[Hoodie]

Red pill is fine with men having extended relationships without putting a ring on it. I don't think red pill is MGTOW. MGTOW is a part of black pill.

"Enjoy the Decline" by Aaron Clarey is a good long form red pill book. It doesn't advise marriage or children.



The blue pill is still real. I look at the friends I've made since moving to Dallas who are mostly married men. They are still blue pill. I can't make a case for many of them that they are even purple pilled. If Rollo Tomassi is purple pill (I agree), my married men Dallas-era friends are not even at that point, which makes them blue pilled.

I thought Wheat Waffles was a black pill channel and Alexander Grace seems debatable about red or black.

I think the differentiation between red and purple pill is getting married. Red pill guys will approach and bang. Purple pillers will cohabit and possibly get married. A red pill guy probably won't cohabit.

Black Pill/Crimson Pill: The cels such as incels, gymcels, and etc. Defeatism and choosing to complain about women/dating rather than improving oneself to date, going MGTOW, or pay to play. These guys are mainly on Forums and their biggest platform was the Misc on bodybuilding forums. Now these guys just hop on to whatever bandwagon leader rises up such as Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, Jordan Peterson, and etc.

They are all essentially the same thing, the biggest difference is what you choose to do with your knowledge of women.

MGTOW is growing and that's one component of black pill. I see that the black pill has gotten way more popular since the mid-2010s. Even Roosh said he'd moved from red pill to black pill prior to his religious conversion.

The black pill is the more fatalistic version of the red pill.
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Why can't black pill be part of the red pill? If women cares about looks and height, why can't that be a red pill truth?

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

The blue pill is still real. I look at the friends I've made since moving to Dallas who are mostly married men. They are still blue pill. I can't make a case for many of them that they are even purple pilled. If Rollo Tomassi is purple pill (I agree), my married men Dallas-era friends are not even at that point, which makes them blue pilled.

I thought Wheat Waffles was a black pill channel and Alexander Grace seems debatable about red or black.

I think the differentiation between red and purple pill is getting married. Red pill guys will approach and bang. Purple pillers will cohabit and possibly get married. A red pill guy probably won't cohabit.

I am pretty confident that every man knows that a man will lose money and kids to the woman in divorce court. In addition, Tik Tok has showed the red pill and toxic female behavior to a lot of men too. I think it's safe to say that most men are purple pilled because they are aware of what's going on, but still choose to pursue dating and marriage. Wheat Waffles and Alexander Grace are in relationships, so they are definitely purple pilled. Rollo gets a pass because he was married before he got famous, but a lot of these creators will never admit to getting married due to the pushback they will get. Look at the Donnovan Sharpe scandal for example, he had to be secretly married. These famous red pill content creators all have Girlfriends, but they aren't telling it to your face lol.

Red pill is fine with men having extended relationships without putting a ring on it. I don't think red pill is MGTOW. MGTOW is a part of black pill.

"Enjoy the Decline" by Aaron Clarey is a good long form red pill book. It doesn't advise marriage or children.

I guess I align MGTOW with pay for play and geo maxing rather than pursuing a traditional courting relationship. I guess you can put the monks in Red Pill, but the main differences I see are choosing to pursue women traditionally or non traditionally.

 

[corrector]

In terms of relating to women, is only fans your ideal way to relate to women?
You know that the communication with only fans models are most likely indian men being paid to respond, or AI. Doesn't that knowledge destroy the experience?

I didn't say it was my ideal way to relate to women. I mentioned the term "relief". I'm very specific with my grammar and meaning of words. Something that is a relief is never an ideal by definition.

The only fans models that I've targeted in the past were escorts that I could just call and set-up a meeting but OF is like a soft-encounter without having to deal with them. In earlier posts on this thread, blackpill portrayals, porn and escorts are depicted as the only means of someone pleasing themselves if they can't get a woman.

 

[Hoodie]

I am pretty confident that every man knows that a man will lose money and kids to the woman in divorce court. In addition, Tik Tok has showed the red pill and toxic female behavior to a lot of men too. I think it's safe to say that most men are purple pilled because they are aware of what's going on, but still choose to pursue dating and marriage. Wheat Waffles and Alexander Grace are in relationships, so they are definitely purple pilled. Rollo gets a pass because he was married before he got famous, but a lot of these creators will never admit to getting married due to the pushback they will get. Look at the Donnovan Sharpe scandal for example, he had to be secretly married. These famous red pill content creators all have Girlfriends, but they aren't telling it to your face lol.



I guess I align MGTOW with pay for play and geo maxing rather than pursuing a traditional courting relationship. I guess you can put the monks in Red Pill, but the main differences I see are choosing to pursue women traditionally or non traditionally.

You can absolutley be married or have a gf while simultaneously be red pilled. Red pill means you understand how they work. So because of this, you stay on top of your game despite being in a relationship, in order to keep the attraction present.
A blue pill view of relationship, is to believe she will love you for you regardless of your performance.
Red pill is knowing if you let yourself go, there is a good chance she will lose attraction.
This applies whether you have 1 or 5 gf's.

 

[Hoodie]

I didn't say it was my ideal way to relate to women. I mentioned the term "relief". I'm very specific with my grammar and meaning of words. Something that is a relief is never an ideal by definition.

The only fans models that I've targeted in the past were escorts that I could just call and set-up a meeting but OF is like a soft-encounter without having to deal with them. In the original posts, or blackpill portrayals, porn and escorts are depicted as the only means of someone pleasing themselves if they can't get a woman.

Ok, I understand. I guess I should've asked if it was your ideal form of relief.
I totally get the idea of having a form of relief. But I also believe in become the best you can be, in whatever form that looks like, if getting relief from OF instead of irl women enables you to do that, I can't say nothing against it.
Simping is all about giving resources, without getting what you want in return. If what OF gives you in return for your money, is what you want. Then I can't argue against that.

 

[SW15]

I am pretty confident that every man knows that a man will lose money and kids to the woman in divorce court.

I think it's safe to say that most men are purple pilled because they are aware of what's going on, but still choose to pursue dating and marriage.

No fault divorce started in the USA in the early 1970s and the courts have been anti-male since the 1970s-1980s. By the end of the 1990s, it was well known what would happen in divorce court and what the probability was of a marriage failing. Getting married since 2000 knowing what men have known since then is blue pilled, not purple pilled, in most cases.

The blue pill is about choosing the illusionary path.

main differences I see are choosing to pursue women traditionally or non traditionally.

All men pay for sex, whether directly or indirectly. I don't think doing sugar daddy game or other direct pay for play has any impact on a man's "pill" status.

Wheat Waffles and Alexander Grace are in relationships, so they are definitely purple pilled. Rollo gets a pass because he was married before he got famous, but a lot of these creators will never admit to getting married due to the pushback they will get. \These famous red pill content creators all have Girlfriends, but they aren't telling it to your face lol.

Alexander Grace is reasonably good looking. It wouldn't be surprising if he were in a relationship. Rollo got married in 1996 and probably started that relationship as far back as 1994. He's kind of from a different era. I liked reading "The Rational Male" and like his other content but I understand the limitation. The Iron Rules of Tomassi are solid.