Real reason for incels and why it is so hard to get a decent woman today

[thelambofdeth]

Most of the people who spew that advice are people who have no business giving that advice. Most of them are in established LTRs. Most of them didn’t actually do the hobbies/classes/sports leagues method. I did the sports league stuff. That shiit is difficult. Tons of men are participating in every type of co-ed sports league trying to get vagina & most aren’t getting vagina from doing it. Some established couples also do a sports league together. Compared to co-ed sports leagues, you’re usually better off doing approaches at fitness class because of the better ratios there. However, even in spite of good ratios, fitness classes are not that good for dating. I’ve gotten dates at fitness classes but it’s a tough slog.

Meetup.com groups are complete shiit. Anything affiliated in any way with Meetup.com isn’t worth the time.

I was hugely disappointed with my efforts into co-ed volleyball & kickball leagues in the past.

Exactly. Too many people giving "advice" just exposit false platitudes and have never practiced the garbage they shill. Yeah...unless you just already have a huge social circle, I have no idea how you're actually supposed to meet women these days. Pretty much any venue they frequent will be full of swarms of thirsty men, or the event/hobby is something most men who literally no interest in.

Men in previous generations prior to the Millennials might have had more patience with the uncertainties surrounding cold approach. Millennial & Gen Z men don’t have that sort of patience. If cold approach worked amazingly well, Match.com & other similar & subsequent would never have been invented. The early stage dating websites in the 1990s were invented because cold approaching even in the 1970s-1990s was a pain in the azz, even for the Boomers & early X’ers who were not dealing with the male surpluses of the Millennial generation. There are too many men out there. The quantity of competition is intense. Quality is debatable but quantity isn’t.

Dating websites & swipe apps didn’t solve anything. There’s not a lot that can be done with skewed sex ratios other than self improve to rise above the competition. There is a male arms race right now in self improvement because of the sheer quantity of men out there. A subset of women are self improving at the gym & getting breast implants/other plastic surgeries to compete for the commitment/resources of a Top 10-20% male.

Another part is at least cold-approaching was accepted in the past. It wasn't looked down upon and you weren't deemed "weird" or "creepy" approaching a woman just bc you didn't reach a certain looks threshold like now. The fact that so many identical dating sites exist prove that they don't work. It just skews things even more.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Let me get this straight...most guys cry they can't get a woman yet this short, bald, fat, old dude got a smoke show to marry him for three years?

C'mon guys...be better.

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[thelambofdeth]

Let me get this straight...most guys cry they can't get a woman yet this short, bald, fat, old dude got a smoke show to marry him for three years?

C'mon guys...be better.

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Yea guiz, come on, just be a famous author! Just have a lot of status and be rich guiz! So easy....Also she left him lol, what A SURPRISE....

 

[HaleyBaron]

Yea guiz, come on, just be a famous author! Just have a lot of status and be rich guiz! So easy....Also she left him lol, what A SURPRISE....

There is nothing wrong with telling a man to pursue status.

You're now added to the list of suspect forum users.

 

[thelambofdeth]

There is nothing wrong with telling a man to pursue status.

You're now added to the list of suspect forum users.

...realistically obtainable status, sure. Not becoming puesdo famous. It's totally pointless to list ugly, short, fat, etc guys when they're rich and/or famous who have women bc everyone knows the women are only interested in the money and fame, and the average man doesn't have that, duh.

Lol dude I Iitetally couldn't give less of a feck.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Yea guiz, come on, just be a famous author! Just have a lot of status and be rich guiz! So easy....Also she left him lol, what A SURPRISE....

So then the question you should ask yourself is what do you bring to the table?

If the answer is not much, there is where you should start making changes

 

[Gamisch]

...realistically obtainable status, sure. Not becoming puesdo famous. It's totally pointless to list ugly, short, fat, etc guys when they're rich and/or famous who have women bc everyone knows the women are only interested in the money and fame, and the average man doesn't have that, duh.

Lol dude I Iitetally couldn't give less of a feck.

Aaaah we making progress I see! You dont give a f@ck. Now apply that to your male -female interactions, day /night game and you can post field and bang reports !!

Looking forward to it .

 

[HaleyBaron]

...realistically obtainable status, sure.

Johnny Depp came from off a bus before he became an actor with no family legacy to ride the tailcoats of. You're not speaking anything realistic.

 

[thelambofdeth]

So then the question you should ask yourself is what do you bring to the table?

If the answer is not much, there is where you should start making changes

In a vacuum I believe you're totally right...But when your standards/expectations aren't delusional and you've worked on yourself and have things to offer and you're only looking for average to decent women, you shouldn't need to be perfect. I'm not trying to get ig models or fecking French ballerinas here...

Aaaah we making progress I see! You dont give a f@ck. Now apply that to your male -female interactions, day /night game and you can post field and bang reports !!

Looking forward to it .

Was is it people always say "go out and seem disinterested and women will come to you"...that's a lie. I'm naturally aloof and laid back. When I go out I never seem interested or like I care or as if I'm there to pick up women and it's never made a difference.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Johnny Depp came from off a bus before he became an actor with no family legacy to ride the tailcoats of. You're not speaking anything realistic.

....he was also young, and supremely talented and good-looking. Don't leave out the most important part....

 

[characternote]

Have you tried being really really handsome like Jonny Depp? Give it a shot

 

[BackInTheGame78]

In a vacuum I believe you're totally right...But when your standards/expectations aren't delusional and you've worked on yourself and have things to offer and you're only looking for average to decent women, you shouldn't need to be perfect. I'm not trying to get ig models or fecking French ballerinas here...


Was is it people always say "go out and seem disinterested and women will come to you"...that's a lie. I'm naturally aloof and laid back. When I go out I never seem interested or like I care or as if I'm there to pick up women and it's never made a difference.

You don't have to be. What you lack in one area you can make up for in others. However, I believe if you are overall average then you need to excel in one category at least, whether that be finances, conversation, getting them on a date, looks, your body, sex, etc to reach your max potential.

This ensures women who are into guys based on that trait will be highly attracted to you.

In general I believe the most bang for the buck in terms of things guys could improve on quickly is working on being better at getting them on a date. Once you become good with this, you will have very few flakes and more volume, which increases your chances.

 

[Bigpapa]

With the recent incel shooting in america i decided to do some research on why there are so many incels these days. Most people here would say dating apps, social media, feminism and so on. Actually this isnt true. It is a demographic problem.

Watch this video for a long explanation (HIGH IQ):

Basically there are not enough woman in the west.
If you want a high tier becky with a good body you compete against so many men. It isnt worth it. Like any other market it is supply and demand. The price of a decent looking woman went trough the roof because of this demographic problem that we have in the west.

the probability of having a girl is 51% compared to 49% for a boy

the problem with incels is that they do not even try

they are entitled , thinking that people should like them for what they are . This is true for women but not for men

 

[Bigpapa]

Have you tried being really really handsome like Jonny Depp? Give it a shot

for sure guys like that will have it easier , just like children born in a wealthy family have an easier life in general

but being born poor does not mean that you can not have a good life . Just that you have to put the effort as odds are against you

same thing with guys who are not good looking . They have to put the effort in order to get what they want

and most importantly to know what women are after , as it is not only looks

but yeah , just going to the gym is not enough . Some will like that , but it is not enough

 

[HaleyBaron]

....he was also young, and supremely talented and good-looking. Don't leave out the most important part....

And he chose to use his time to pursue his status. He made use of his youthful energy, built his skills, and kept his looks up.

Again, you're not saying anything realistic.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Have you tried being really really handsome like Jonny Depp? Give it a shot

I have...no luck yet. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong!‍

You don't have to be. What you lack in one area you can make up for in others. However, I believe if you are overall average then you need to excel in one category at least, whether that be finances, conversation, getting them on a date, looks, your body, sex, etc to reach your max potential.

This ensures women who are into guys based on that trait will be highly attracted to you.

In general I believe the most bang for the buck in terms of things guys could improve on quickly is working on being better at getting them on a date. Once you become good with this, you will have very few flakes and more volume, which increases your chances.

Just in terms of first impression...I'm 6'3, I'm lean with a runway physique and my attire is high fashion. Not to mention I groom, wear high end cologne, have hair and skin regimes, etc. That should (at least initially) be enough for me to stand out.

Getting better at closing in on dates is probably the most difficult aspect to increase, even for guys with way better attributes than I. You have a small window with a stranger if we're taking cold approaching...that's extremely hard to get good at, and is running before you can walk imo. You would already have to be good at conversing and attracting women.

And he chose to use his time to pursue his status. He made use of his youthful energy, built his skills, and kept his looks up.

Again, you're not saying anything realistic.

Dude, you're using saying "just be like Johnny literal Depp." You're the one being totally unrealistic. You cannot just be born with generational talent and good-looks....You have to be trolling. You're not even using a realistic comparison for the average or even exceptional man wtf.

 

[characternote]

for sure guys like that will have it easier , just like children born in a wealthy family have an easier life in general

but being born poor does not mean that you can not have a good life . Just that you have to put the effort as odds are against you

same thing with guys who are not good looking . They have to put the effort in order to get what they want

and most importantly to know what women are after , as it is not only looks

but yeah , just going to the gym is not enough . Some will like that , but it is not enough

I know. I was just playing/making fun of some the silly replies being given to the OP haha
I think you know my stance by now. When i'm in game mode, I approach a sh1t tonne. I know that 99% of the very hot girls I open won't give me a shot (I won't be her type), but I approach enough that I tend to find the small percentage of girls who DO think i'm hot and are thus down to hook up. It's a number games that i'm prepared to play and I've had some amazing results and always hopeful of the next!

 

[Bigpapa]

I know. I was just playing/making fun of some the silly replies being given to the OP haha
I think you know my stance by now. When i'm in game mode, I approach a sh1t tonne. I know that 99% of the very hot girls I open won't give me a shot (I won't be her type), but I approach enough that I tend to find the small percentage of girls who DO think i'm hot and are thus down to hook up. It's a number game that i'm prepared to play and I've had some amazing results and always hopeful of the next!

yeah , that is the thing that most people do not want to understand or do . Thus being entitled

the most red pill ever is that no one gives a f8ck about you , so you either die or make things happen as you will not get any real help from anyone

same thing with sex , you either understand exactly how the mating dance works and understand your flaws and try different strategies to overcome the shortcomings

I am trying now something new , using the tinder dates as baits ( and have pre selection ) to get better quality once I am in whatever place

Tried it a 3 times till now , and had quite good results . A 5 or a 6 from tinder can easily land you a 7-8 without you having to put too much effort into it

the only problem is that you kinda make a horror date for the poor woman from tinder haha

 

[MatureDJ]

Meetup.com groups are complete shiit. Anything affiliated in any way with Meetup.com isn’t worth the time.

I was hugely disappointed with my efforts into co-ed volleyball & kickball leagues in the past.

I once showed up at a meetup; I felt like I was back at my all-boys high school.

 

[MatureDJ]

I took ballroom dance for about 5 years per the “just take a dance class bruh” advice.

Didn’t get one single date the entire time.

Before I had completely given up on LocalMaxxing, I started hanging out at the local places that had swing or salsa dancing (didn't try ballroom). While there was a better contingent of younger females than any other nightspots I would hit, it wasn't all that much. Yes, there were tons (pun NOT intended) of dumpy divorced 40-somethings, but them being there only made me even more depressed.