Real reason for incels and why it is so hard to get a decent woman today

[BackInTheGame78]

This checks out. Face trumps everything, physically. A woman is going to take a good-looking guy over a tall one ten times out of ten. Tbh more seem to care about height(when they lack it) more than women ever do.


Speak for yourself, mate. If this were the case sites like this wouldn't exist. Simps, betas, and orbiters wouldn't exist. I'm sure it was easy in the 50s or something, but it's not easy nowadays. Even if you're someone who's worked on yourself and you have humble standards.

It's hard because guys lack volume. Talking to one or two women and then giving up is like sending out a job resume to one or two places and then giving up if they don't contact you back or you get an interview but not the job.

80% of the guys on this forum issues with women could be solved by more volume

 

[bat soup]

This is seriously just the same "problem" that women have. All guys want to have sex with the 9s and 10s who make up 10% of the female population, just like all women want to have sex with the tall men who make up 5% of the population. There isn't an oversupply of men, there is an oversupply of delusional expectations and bad priorities.

Yes, and things like Instagram and Tinder just make the situation even worse because they create even more unrealistic expectations.

 

[thelambofdeth]

It's hard because guys lack volume. Talking to one or two women and then giving up is like sending out a job resume to one or two places and then giving up if they don't contact you back or you get an interview but not the job.

80% of the guys on this forum issues with women could be solved by more volume

Well yea, ofc...lol. The issue is accruing the volume in the first place, mate. It's not easy. It's more than just "try moar". To have a legitimate abundance of options these days you essentially have to be the perfect man, physically, mentally, and financially. If you're not that you essentially must have unbridled confidence, will, and perseverance of steel to wade through the unavoidable onslaught of rejections.

 

[SW15]

It's hard because guys lack volume. Talking to one or two women and then giving up is like sending out a job resume to one or two places and then giving up if they don't contact you back or you get an interview but not the job.

80% of the guys on this forum issues with women could be solved by more volume

Well yea, ofc...lol. The issue is accruing the volume in the first place, mate. It's not easy. It's more than just "try moar". To have a legitimate abundance of options these days you essentially have to be the perfect man, physically, mentally, and financially. If you're not that you essentially must have unbridled confidence, will, and perseverance of steel to wade through the unavoidable onslaught of rejections.

Volume problems are real problems. I've had them. It's actually the biggest problem in real life approaching. It's difficult to get in enough approaches. Many men try to solve this by sitting at home in their underwear and swiping through every woman within some radius of where they live. Is that enough volume?

The onslaught of rejections is traumatic. If you have find a vagina source and you've got nothing, that's going to be an issue. Contending with the oversupply of males is real too. Competition in quantity is ridiculous even with some men doing the whole MGTOW thing. The female market does not miss the MGTOWs because men only go MGTOW due to massive amounts of rejection and completely being ignored. All MGTOWs are incels but not all incels are MGTOWs.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Volume problems are real problems. I've had them. It's actually the biggest problem in real life approaching. It's difficult to get in enough approaches. Many men try to solve this by sitting at home in their underwear and swiping through every woman within some radius of where they live. Is that enough volume?

Yea, if you're a Chad or you look like Chris Hemsworth lol. If not, that's just probably going to lead to a great deal of time wasted and things that go nowhere.

The onslaught of rejections is traumatic. If you have find a vagina source and you've got nothing, that's going to be an issue. Contending with the oversupply of males is real too. Competition in quantity is ridiculous even with some men doing the whole MGTOW thing. The female market does not miss the MGTOWs because men only go MGTOW due to massive amounts of rejection and completely being ignored. All MGTOWs are incels but not all incels are MGTOWs.

There's too much competition...also cold approaching just isn't a logistical, realistic way to meet women now. In addition to the guys every woman has at her fingertips on OLD and SM, there are the guys in her social circle, guy at work/school, guys that orbiter around her, etc. And she gets to sit back and determine who she considers the very best. As a stranger, you're supposed to somehow break that barrier with just a first impression. That is why so many cold approaches lead to flaking and fake #s. You're just some rando on the street to them, and that's not how they look to meet men anymore.

Even with all the incels and simps being excluded, the ratio is still way too lopsided. Women don't looksmatch, bc of all the validation and praise they get, they're all looking to date/feck above their level, so that leaves pretty much all men expect the very apex with no options sans fatties, turbo sloots and single moms.

 

[HaleyBaron]

SW15 knows that Im a lazy approacher. I let girls come to me more often than not. And after I have enough comfort with a girl, then I initiate a sexual/ dating favor. However, even I still recommend guys talk to girls theyre interested in. Most of my lays came from me being assertive. I may get hit on, but nothing happens unless I make it so. Im sure one of these days Im going to be put on notice and forced to approach women when Im out with some SS members here.

 

[Travel memoir21]

add in the sausage fest and the lack of social skills because of social media and apps….

of course the social mating game is all screwed up. Personally, being an introvert myself and needing solitude to recharge, I find comfort on some days to just go outside and get fresh air.

I like to go cruising on my ebike and see some scenaries, I like to go to the park just to chill, sometimes I’ll go to a coffee shop…and if I happen to see a cute girl I’ll say hi.

Other than that, I’m content to go home by myself. We should all practice the art of thanksgiving and gratitude one way or another.

 

[sangheilios]

Yea, if you're a Chad or you look like Chris Hemsworth lol. If not, that's just probably going to lead to a great deal of time wasted and things that go nowhere.



There's too much competition...also cold approaching just isn't a logistical, realistic way to meet women now. In addition to the guys every woman has at her fingertips on OLD and SM, there are the guys in her social circle, guy at work/school, guys that orbiter around her, etc. And she gets to sit back and determine who she considers the very best. As a stranger, you're supposed to somehow break that barrier with just a first impression. That is why so many cold approaches lead to flaking and fake #s. You're just some rando on the street to them, and that's not how they look to meet men anymore.

Even with all the incels and simps being excluded, the ratio is still way too lopsided. Women don't looksmatch, bc of all the validation and praise they get, they're all looking to date/feck above their level, so that leaves pretty much all men expect the very apex with no options sans fatties, turbo sloots and single moms.

A lot of young women, gen z and millennials, have terrible social skills and are relatively clueless during interactions with men. I feel a lot of them wouldn't know how to process a cold/random approach out in public. I personally don't cold approach, it's just never resulted in anything but awkward experiences, but I've observed many and the trend is the women are very awkward. I've seen approaches where men are approaching women that are somewhere around their looks match, so not an obese slob approaching a hot chick, and they'd just stand there awkwardly giving one word answers.

I feel that many women widely overestimate themselves and each other whilst regularly underestimating men. I used to kick it with a guy that worked at a bank, I no longer talk to him, and he told me a story about his coworkers setting up one of the tellers on a date with someone they knew, she was a fat girl. Anyway, they asked her about it and she said she wasn't interested, so naturally they asked why. Her response was because he was overweight, yet she is saying this while being in the same boat lol. A couple years ago I had a woman point out an obese woman and tell me that was my league and what I should be going for, I'm 6'4" and 235-240ish, I've been the same size for a while now and one of the fittest guys at my gym. I don't think all women are like this but it's become incredibly common.

 

[sangheilios]

add in the sausage fest and the lack of social skills because of social media and apps….

of course the social mating game is all screwed up. Personally, being an introvert myself and needing solitude to recharge, I find comfort on some days to just go outside and get fresh air.

I like to go cruising on my ebike and see some scenaries, I like to go to the park just to chill, sometimes I’ll go to a coffee shop…and if I happen to see a cute girl I’ll say hi.

Other than that, I’m content to go home by myself. We should all practice the art of thanksgiving and gratitude one way or another.

Honestly, there's not really much you can do about it and I feel even having these thoughts and realizations linger on in your mind is not at all healthy. It's rather unfortunate the set of circumstances young men are placed in today when it comes to the dating market. However, there are so many other things you could be doing with your life that actually provide something positive.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Well yea, ofc...lol. The issue is accruing the volume in the first place, mate. It's not easy. It's more than just "try moar". To have a legitimate abundance of options these days you essentially have to be the perfect man, physically, mentally, and financially. If you're not that you essentially must have unbridled confidence, will, and perseverance of steel to wade through the unavoidable onslaught of rejections.

Not true at all.

Look bro...at the end of the day, you have to decide if you want results or you want excuses. You can't have both.

Nobody can force someone who isn't willing to put in work on themselves physically, mentally, with women, etc to do it. It's got to come from within as something you want to do.

How much work? As much as it takes to get results. That is the end goal, and the path you take to get there likely won't be straight and narrow. You'll need to reevaluate things that aren't working, keep what is and then continue until you get to a place you want to be.

But I can tell you one thing. Complaining about how life isn't fair and how the odds are like trying to climb Mount Everest to get a woman these days(which isn't even close to being true) isn't going to get you there and is taking you in the exact opposite direction mentally of where you need to go.

For some it will be less, others more. Depends what the issues are, but the first thing people need to do is take a good, hard long look in the mirror and figure out what those issues are before they start working on them.

 

[Gamisch]

Not true at all.

Look bro...at the end of the day, you have to decide if you want results or you want excuses. You can't have both.

Nobody can force someone who isn't willing to put in work on themselves physically, mentally, with women, etc to do it. It's got to come from within as something you want to do.

How much work? As much as it takes to get results. That is the end goal, and the path you take to get there likely won't be straight and narrow. You'll need to reevaluate things that aren't working, keep what is and then continue until you get to a place you want to be.

But I can tell you one thing. Complaining about how life isn't fair and how the odds are like trying to climb Mount Everest to get a woman these days(which isn't even close to being true) isn't going to get you there and is taking you in the exact opposite direction mentally of where you need to go.

For some it will be less, others more. Depends what the issues are, but the first thing people need to do is take a good, hard long look in the mirror and figure out what those issues are before they start working on them.

I agree. We can analyze women all day long and conclude the same shyt one and over again. Watch " redpill "content where they'll repeat female behavior over and over again.

At the end of the day every man must look in the mirror, and conversate with his inner warrior. " did I do what's needed to be done? Did I take the risks I need to take to get what I want?".

While one man complains and goes mgtow, another one is banging 3 girls a week. Crazy thing is women are more then ever open to ne a side chick, to date multiple men and to just Sloot around. It is us men who still having problems accepting this. It is us men who still ,despite all the information giving to us, are walking around searching for a woman "like mommy".

Like you say, get your volume up. Hunt. A hunter never has a 100% score, its actually the other way around. You hunt 10 ,get 2 and you rinse and repeat.

Men should stop being pvssy's and put in the effort. Like one poster said, sitting at home swiping right is a b1tch move, why won't you go out and see if there something for you somewhere? It's all mentality.

 

[thelambofdeth]

A lot of young women, gen z and millennials, have terrible social skills and are relatively clueless during interactions with men. I feel a lot of them wouldn't know how to process a cold/random approach out in public. I personally don't cold approach, it's just never resulted in anything but awkward experiences, but I've observed many and the trend is the women are very awkward. I've seen approaches where men are approaching women that are somewhere around their looks match, so not an obese slob approaching a hot chick, and they'd just stand there awkwardly giving one word answers.

That's exactly why I don't know who or why dudes can stomach approaching these days. Again...bloated standards. You have two be two points higher than a woman now for her to even appear moderately interested. And even then c women are so daft, there's likely cases in which they're interested but are too inept to even appear so. Men are expected to literally do all the work: approach, lead and stir the conversation, initiate a date, etc. And unless you're a uber Chad you get no goodwill along the way at all. Looksmatching has gotten out of hand though. Way too many women have their standards that are too bloated.

I feel that many women widely overestimate themselves and each other whilst regularly underestimating men. I used to kick it with a guy that worked at a bank, I no longer talk to him, and he told me a story about his coworkers setting up one of the tellers on a date with someone they knew, she was a fat girl. Anyway, they asked her about it and she said she wasn't interested, so naturally they asked why. Her response was because he was overweight, yet she is saying this while being in the same boat lol. A couple years ago I had a woman point out an obese woman and tell me that was my league and what I should be going for, I'm 6'4" and 235-240ish, I've been the same size for a while now and one of the fittest guys at my gym. I don't think all women are like this but it's become incredibly common.

lol that's unbelievable. Only now are a fat beach and a 6'4 guy in great shape in the same league, smh. This is exactly what I mean. The lopsided standards and expectations of women are easily one of the biggest hurdles placed upon men currently. The simp epidemic and first-world feminism has only reinforced it and given this chit credence. You essentially create droves of arrogant, entitled women who sloot around more than ever, but only with guys who are basically a perfect ten. It's actually insane it's been allowed to get this far out of hand.

 

[Gamisch]

Well yea, ofc...lol. The issue is accruing the volume in the first place, mate. It's not easy. It's more than just "try moar". To have a legitimate abundance of options these days you essentially have to be the perfect man, physically, mentally, and financially. If you're not that you essentially must have unbridled confidence, will, and perseverance of steel to wade through the unavoidable onslaught of rejections.

Bro, these days a man gotta be versatile AF( schizophrenic almost). You gotta be able to cook ,clean , install a PC, do carpentry, fight , ect ect. Also a big part should be you inner DJ. Your inner DJ should be mad at you every time when are too pvssy to make shyt happen with a lady. Problem is men neglect that part way too much.

life is way too short to do stuff like mgtow . If I would tell you you only have 20 years left to live , what would you do? Live it up , right? Rejection is NOTHING, it can actually be fun if you think about it. Get used to be rejected. Nobody will remember you when you are six feet deep. No rejection will go along into your grave. Release your inner warrior!

Self therapy; face your biggest fears and concure them. Talk to women ,have fun with them ,its you're own mind who is holding you back. Nobody but you is stealing from yourself. This is your damn prime, chin up and chest forward.

 

[sangheilios]

That's exactly why I don't know who or why dudes can stomach approaching these days. Again...bloated standards. You have two be two points higher than a woman now for her to even appear moderately interested. And even then c women are so daft, there's likely cases in which they're interested but are too inept to even appear so. Men are expected to literally do all the work: approach, lead and stir the conversation, initiate a date, etc. And unless you're a uber Chad you get no goodwill along the way at all. Looksmatching has gotten out of hand though. Way too many women have their standards that are too bloated.


lol that's unbelievable. Only now are a fat beach and a 6'4 guy in great shape in the same league, smh. This is exactly what I mean. The lopsided standards and expectations of women are easily one of the biggest hurdles placed upon men currently. The simp epidemic and first-world feminism has only reinforced it and given this chit credence. You essentially create droves of arrogant, entitled women who sloot around more than ever, but only with guys who are basically a perfect ten. It's actually insane it's been allowed to get this far out of hand.

I left the dating market about 3 years ago, the last date I had was back in June of 2019, and it was mostly due to just one bad experience after another with nothing to show for it. As of now, I'm in a place where I honestly have no real desire to go back, mostly due to what is being discussed on here.

 

[Travel memoir21]

I left the dating market about 3 years ago, the last date I had was back in June of 2019, and it was mostly due to just one bad experience after another with nothing to show for it. As of now, I'm in a place where I honestly have no real desire to go back, mostly due to what is being discussed on here.

have you thought of going abroad to seek a wife? Check out The Philippines, Thailand or Indonesia etc. If you have Facebook, join a couple of Expat groups and do some research. Also bloggers on youtube.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Bro, these days a man gotta be versatile AF( schizophrenic almost). You gotta be able to cook ,clean , install a PC, do carpentry, fight , ect ect. Also a big part should be you inner DJ. Your inner DJ should be mad at you every time when are too pvssy to make shyt happen with a lady. Problem is men neglect that part way too much.

life is way too short to do stuff like mgtow . If I would tell you you only have 20 years left to live , what would you do? Live it up , right? Rejection is NOTHING, it can actually be fun if you think about it. Get used to be rejected. Nobody will remember you when you are six feet deep. No rejection will go along into your grave. Release your inner warrior!

Self therapy; face your biggest fears and concure them. Talk to women ,have fun with them ,its you're own mind who is holding you back. Nobody but you is stealing from yourself. This is your damn prime, chin up and chest forward.

You can't "make chit happen". If the women in question aren't interested, they aren't interested. At that point, it's not your fault. Like, no dude goes out NOT wanting to have fun with women. It's usually THE WOMEN getting in the way of "having fun" bc they're haughty af and not interested lol.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Stop saying this. Incel is their language, not ours. It assumes any boy that doesnt have sex, including people waiting for marriage, are whats wrong with society. As if having copious amounts of sex and being an alpha is what qualifies you as "safe" in this feminist society.

F*ck that. This has nothing to do with incels. Everything to do with the media continuing to go after a certain demographic while another one continues to do daily shootings (who are definitely not incels).

Nah. They’re incels.

 

[Gamisch]

You can't "make chit happen". If the women in question aren't interested, they aren't interested. At that point, it's not your fault. Like, no dude goes out NOT wanting to have fun with women. It's usually THE WOMEN getting in the way of "having fun" bc they're haughty af and not interested lol.

You sound like a hunter who is mad he's unable to make a kill and then complains he is hungry. But yet you dont simply shoot more, or hunt longer. No you just complain.You are sexually starving, that alone should be enough motivation to get out there and be ruthless. We've been over this before.

At some point you gotta understand its your mind who is holding you back. Has nothing to do with women. Perhaps you should be open to other types of women and adjust your strategy. The definition of insanity is....

I say this with all due respect, but you seem like a intellectual man. What do you think is the solution to this? You verbalize the problem,I wanna challenge you to talk about solutions now.

 

[thelambofdeth]

You sound like a hunter who is mad he's unable to make a kill and then complains he is hungry. You are sexually starving, that alone should be enough motivation to get out there and be ruthless. We've been over this before.

At some point you gotta understand it your mind who is holding you back. Has nothing to do with women. Perhaps you should be open to other types of women and adjust your strategy. The definition of insanity is....

I say this with all due respect, but you seem like a intellectual man. What do you think is the solution to this? You verbalize the problem,I wanna challenge you to talk about solutions now.

lol my standards aren't the issue. I realistically can't lower them anymore. I'm not obsessed with blonde hotties or IG models or whatever. I don't expect anything above a 7 or just basically a woman that isn't fat or too ugly, since I'm neither. Hell, my personal preference is weird-looking alt girls, anyway. With my height, body, attire, and having my chit together if I can't get an average or decent woman, then I'll take nothing. I literally have no earthly idea how you can say this has "nothing to do with women" when it's basically ENTIRELY contingent upon them.

IDK, plastic surgery? A time machine? That's the only solution I can think of because the parameters and structure of getting women have never been this broken before. The entire system is rigged. It should be relatively simple for anyone who isn't a fat slob with delusional standards and a modicum of tact who actually leaves the house to at least have opportunities...but it's not. The entire equation has been altered to the point you don't have a chance unless you're the absolute best.

 

[Gamisch]

lol my standards aren't the issue. I realistically can't lower them anymore. I'm not obsessed with blonde hotties or IG models or whatever. I don't expect anything above a 7 or just basically a woman that isn't fat or too ugly, since I'm neither. Hell, my personal preference is weird-looking alt girls, anyway. With my height, body, attire, and having my chit together if I can't get an average or decent woman, then I'll take nothing. I literally have no earthly idea how you can say this has "nothing to do with women" when it's basically ENTIRELY contingent upon them.

IDK, plastic surgery? A time machine? That's the only solution I can think of because the parameters and structure of getting women have never been this broken before. The entire system is rigged. It should be relatively simple for anyone who isn't a fat slob with delusional standards and a modicum of tact who actually leaves the house to at least have opportunities...but it's not. The entire equation has been altered to the point you don't have a chance unless you're the absolute best.

And yet I am far from perfect but I ve never been without women ever since I am 14. A dry spell here and there ,but that motivated me to get my bow and arrow and make some kills. If your analysis was correct o would confirm your statement,yet I feel the need to debunk it.

If you go out your house with this mindset you'll ooze defeatist mindset to the world . Re read my posts, and let it sink in...your mind is your biggest enemy, it's not women, its your mind.

You'd be surprised how much p00n you'll get once you let go of this way of thinking and live life with pure joy.

Start embracing rejection instead of fearing it. You're in your prime , this is your time to shine bro. Make it happen, starting yesterday.