Real reason for incels and why it is so hard to get a decent woman today

[Zimbabwe]

With the recent incel shooting in america i decided to do some research on why there are so many incels these days. Most people here would say dating apps, social media, feminism and so on. Actually this isnt true. It is a demographic problem.

Watch this video for a long explanation (HIGH IQ):

Basically there are not enough woman in the west.
If you want a high tier becky with a good body you compete against so many men. It isnt worth it. Like any other market it is supply and demand. The price of a decent looking woman went trough the roof because of this demographic problem that we have in the west.

 

[SW15]

I've been saying this for 10-15 years. There is an oversupply of men in the West. If you think the West is bad, try China and India.

 

[Kotaix]

This is seriously just the same "problem" that women have. All guys want to have sex with the 9s and 10s who make up 10% of the female population, just like all women want to have sex with the tall men who make up 5% of the population. There isn't an oversupply of men, there is an oversupply of delusional expectations and bad priorities.

 

[thelambofdeth]

This is seriously just the same "problem" that women have. All guys want to have sex with the 9s and 10s who make up 10% of the female population, just like all women want to have sex with the tall men who make up 5% of the population. There isn't an oversupply of men, there is an oversupply of delusional expectations and bad priorities.

Not all of us. Many of us actually have realistic standards and still have issues getting women. I prefer weird, alt girls who are a 7 at best(And I'm tall, in shape, dress well, and not hideous), and that doesn't make a difference. These days even just average women have overly bolstered standards bc of so much free validation and reaffirmation from OLD, SM, simps, first-world feminism, etc. An average guy's looks-match thinks she deserves a Chad and many won't settle for much less, so it throws the entire system out of whack.

 

[HaleyBaron]

With the recent incel shooting in america

Stop saying this. Incel is their language, not ours. It assumes any boy that doesnt have sex, including people waiting for marriage, are whats wrong with society. As if having copious amounts of sex and being an alpha is what qualifies you as "safe" in this feminist society.

F*ck that. This has nothing to do with incels. Everything to do with the media continuing to go after a certain demographic while another one continues to do daily shootings (who are definitely not incels).

 

[sangheilios]

I've been saying this for 10-15 years. There is an oversupply of men in the West. If you think the West is bad, try China and India.

I watched this a few months ago

China's Leftover Men: Desperately Seeking Wives - YouTube

 

[Who Dares Win]

I'm neither a sociologist nor a mathematicians so would like to ask how is it even possible that when you look around you see very few girls in the 18-30 range yet we're flooded from the 46-55 women.

 

[Zimbabwe]

I'm neither a sociologist nor a mathematicians so would like to ask how is it even possible that when you look around you see very few girls in the 18-30 range yet we're flooded from the 46-55 women.

107 men are born for every 100 girls, since people in the west only have 1 or 2 kids at most it just means more males. It's more likely to have a female child the more children you have. This plus migration being mostly being Males on the 18-35 range does not help things at all.

I feel like we used to throw men away in wars whenever there was political turmoil, which would have resulted in the reverse situation. I've read that genetic evidence suggests that women were twice as likely as men to have children, so that at least suggests I'm on the right track. It may have been the norm for the male population to be perpetually lowered just as a function of survivorship bias at the societal level - and that could be where these traditions come from in the first place

 

[Who Dares Win]

107 men are born for every 100 girls, since people in the west only have 1 or 2 kids at most it just means more males. It's more likely to have a female child the more children you have. This plus migration being mostly being Males on the 18-35 range does not help things at all.

I feel like we used to throw men away in wars whenever there was political turmoil, which would have resulted in the reverse situation. I've read that genetic evidence suggests that women were twice as likely as men to have children, so that at least suggests I'm on the right track. It may have been the norm for the male population to be perpetually lowered just as a function of survivorship bias at the societal level - and that could be where these traditions come from in the first place

That doesnt explain how 20 years later random women appear out of nowhere.

 

[SW15]

Many of us actually have realistic standards and still have issues getting women.

Yes. It is because female entitlement is off the charts. I've had women who were sub 5's reject me and I'm a 6.5-7. Another example of this is @sangheilios, who is 6'4" with big muscles. That's a top guy at the gym. In the gym environment, that should get him some of the top, fittest gym gals. In the general environment, that should get him women who are at least 7's but even subpar looking women have passed on him.

 

[thelambofdeth]

Yes. It is because female entitlement is off the charts. I've had women who were sub 5's reject me and I'm a 6.5-7. Another example of this is @sangheilios, who is 6'4" with big muscles. That's a top guy at the gym. In the gym environment, that should get him some of the top, fittest gym gals. In the general environment, that should get him women who are at least 7's but even subpar looking women have passed on him.

That's wild. Even just a few years ago, if you were 6'4 and ripped, even if you looked like a burn victim in the face, you would still have you choice of women in many places. Some people really underestimate how much of a factor OLD, SM, first world feminism and the rise of simps have had recently. Even the most basic women get sooo much attention, validation and reaffirmation from multiple sources, both online and irl to the point they really believe they deserve the best, and bc of the 80/20 rule, if they wait, they'll get it.(at least temporarily) It's like they have the perfect storm for delusional standards.

I'm 6'3, lean and I dress like a high fashion rock star and I'll be damned if women seem to gaf at all. Litetally every time I go out guys notice and compliment my attire yet women couldn't be bothered. And I'm talking average to decent women. I can't imagine what you must have to look like physically these days to get the hot ones. This is such a chit era.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Social media kim kardasian culture destroyed all of women's standards.

 

[SW15]

I'm 6'3, lean and I dress like a high fashion rock star and I'll be damned if women seem to gaf at all. This is such a chit era.

That's nuts! I'm 5'10", so I wish I were 6'2"-6'4".

 

[thelambofdeth]

That's nuts! I'm 5'10", so I wish I were 6'2"-6'4".

Lol height is overrated. I would easily trade 4-5 inches of my height for a better face, as looks are easily the most objectively important physical aspect to women. In my experience, women only care about height if you're just really short, and it's really only a benefit if you're also good-looking. It's done me no favors, even as someone who's done basically all he can to maximize his physical attractiveness.

 

[SW15]

Lol height is overrated. I would easily trade 4-5 inches of my height for a better face, as looks are easily the most objectively important physical aspect to women. In my experience, women only care about height if you're just really short, and it's really only a benefit if you're also good-looking. It's done me no favors, even as someone who's done basically all he can to maximize his physical attractiveness.

I have an above average face. Solid facial aesthetics. It's a shiit era. I've put up a solid lifetime notch count despite never operating in a good era. However, I've taken a ton of rejection, mostly from overly entitled White women who think their pusssies are more valuable than a kilo of cocaine. I have endured massive trauma.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I think we can all agree that there is a lot of uppity bitches in this current era. Girls with their noses high while having a pimple on their face or their flawed skin sunspots while believing they are perfect princesses. Or having hairy arms and/or legs and yet pretending you should be thankful to walk the same ground they do.

Do what I do and ignore their glamour and pretentious attitude. When I'm walking, I don't move on the sidewalk despite a bunch of girls in heels and sexy outfits coming my way. I don't give them any glance or looks when I'm out and about [most of you should have learned this from better players]. I don't compliment them and I do not give them praise they never deserved. I do not give fat chicks any sexual openings. I do not like girl posts on instagram. I do everything in my power to break female illusion of this social media age. It seems history and women never change.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

It's not hard to get a decent women today. Most guys think that one should just fall into their lap without putting any real effort into it.

 

[characternote]

Lol height is overrated. I would easily trade 4-5 inches of my height for a better face, as looks are easily the most objectively important physical aspect to women. In my experience, women only care about height if you're just really short, and it's really only a benefit if you're also good-looking. It's done me no favors, even as someone who's done basically all he can to maximize his physical attractiveness.

yep. My wingman who literally has hot young girls practically trying to rape him after THEY open him on nights out isn't very tall at all. I'd say he's about 5ft 8 so not a midget, but certainly not tall at all. But facially he looks like a mix of a young dicaprio and brad pitt. Not even kidding. They're the main 'lookalike' type celebs he's always gotten told (wide jaw. very bright green eyes. Just facially extremely good looking). Anyone trying to use 'game' to compete with him is in for a rough night! lol

 

[HaleyBaron]

yep. My wingman who literally has hot young girls practically trying to rape him after THEY open him on nights out isn't very tall at all. I'd say he's about 5ft 8 so not a midget, but certainly not tall at all. But facially he looks like a mix of a young dicaprio and brad pitt. Not even kidding. They're the main 'lookalike' type celebs he's always gotten told (wide jaw. very bright green eyes. Just facially extremely good looking). Anyone trying to use 'game' to compete with him is in for a rough night! lol

I've seen this multiple times. Though often it is also because women are intimidated by more brawn or tall men so they go to the cute option cause it feel easier to them. It does not necessarily mean they are attracted to this guy more than another in the room who may have higher attraction. It's just girls being insecure and going after the literal child-like appearance cause they see him as a comfortable option. The same dynamics still apply and it does not mean others cannot get the girls he attracts. It just means sex with him will be less orgasmic and more transactional.

 

[thelambofdeth]

yep. My wingman who literally has hot young girls practically trying to rape him after THEY open him on nights out isn't very tall at all. I'd say he's about 5ft 8 so not a midget, but certainly not tall at all. But facially he looks like a mix of a young dicaprio and brad pitt. Not even kidding. They're the main 'lookalike' type celebs he's always gotten told (wide jaw. very bright green eyes. Just facially extremely good looking). Anyone trying to use 'game' to compete with him is in for a rough night! lol

This checks out. Face trumps everything, physically. A woman is going to take a good-looking guy over a tall one ten times out of ten. Tbh more seem to care about height(when they lack it) more than women ever do.

It's not hard to get a decent women today. Most guys think that one should just fall into their lap without putting any real effort into it.

Speak for yourself, mate. If this were the case sites like this wouldn't exist. Simps, betas, and orbiters wouldn't exist. I'm sure it was easy in the 50s or something, but it's not easy nowadays. Even if you're someone who's worked on yourself and you have humble standards.