The number one reason MOST of you on here probably struggle.

[Slowhandluke]

so according to your theory, I should start doing something that I have zero interest in (netflix, travel), so I can talk to girls?

No, this makes no sense at all.

 

[Ladykiler]

Troll detected.

This is “know your place” propaganda.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having standards and wanting to change and improve society. In fact, that’s how we go here - through struggle and change and victory and defeat. That’s the story of man.

The story of Men is not, as you suggest, rubbing your own nipples smugly and saying “well, mr misogynistic man, you just don’t get it!”

I wouldn’t be surprised if your real name is Jessica Pinkhole

“Jessica Pinkhole” is hilarious

jesse pink man the tv character isn’t to far off

I hate that ****ing actor now because of that that show

i thought Joffrey was a **** and was excited when he died

I still enjoy the actor that’s how much I hate ****ing Jessie Pinkman

 

[Ladykiler]

It is rocket science to a lot of guys. There were many awkward people in the past (just like today), but yet they were able to pair up.

The average person is not any less sociable today than 20/30 years; but yet, the average person is not marrying or getting dates that turns into ltrs.

Stop blaming guys. It's not the average guys fault. Not everyone can be a Don Juan. Not everyone can be a fighter pilot, doctor or successful lawyer; make loads of money or have a sculpted body; or learn how to manipulate other people. That's just how the world works, but yet in the past the average guy had a better chance of mating.

Solve this issue and the world would be a better place. It's more complex than "just have game".

The average person is less social able
Due to the internet and even internet dating

You don’t have to be any of those things to mate imo

average as **** people still mate and will continue to

most men can work on their bodies and find some success doing something

you’re also making excuses

 

[forcerecon01]

So I've read thread after thread here before becoming a member and I gotta say, I think I know why the majority of you are struggling with women. I think this is particularly true for older guys on here who say that dating for them got tough or meeting women got tough as they got older. While people can pin it down to looks, lack of wealth, lack of game, or whatever; I think I know the real reason that never gets mentioned.

Before I say it though, I want to add a bit of a prelude. People will claim that who they are online isn't really who they are in real life but I had a different experience. Back when PUA forums like RSD were active, I would wing with guys and some guys were regular posters on the forums. The guys would be all hung up in the Red Pill and Black Pill theories but then on Saturdays, come out to game every now and then. As soon as adversity hit in the form of a sh1t test, rejection, or just being stupidly drunks; their real side came out and it was very much close to the persona they were on the forum. Toxic, bitter, misogynist, and you name it. But that's not what I am getting at here.

MOST of you on here are probably unrelatable.

Like if I was to introduce you to a crowd of hot girls and ask you to sit down and chat with them, you would make a fool out of yourselves. I mean think about the mental content you are surrounding yourself with on the daily whenever you browse internet forums or a red pill community:

• Hypergamy
• Women suck and things need to go back to how they used to be
• The world is falling apart
• Life gets worse after college
• Women are dark triad sociopaths
• Only dark triad men get women

I am not debating how true all of these are, in fact I'd argue that a good bit of what you talk about here is true. The point I am really trying to make is that hot girls and guys that get them regularly don't really care as much about this stuff. What are they caring about?

• Where is the next fun party
• What is that next fancy vacation spot
• What is X celebrity doing
• What is going on in sports
• How about that latest Netflix special

Let me put it this way, if I was to get a group of hot girls to sit down and talk to the average guy on here, they will probably walk away thinking "whoa wtf that guy was weird". You are literally on two different wavelengths compared to the women you want to get as well as the guys they end up eventually getting with. The "Chads" and alpha males out there? They rarely care about red pill topics as much and even if they do, they rarely talk about them all that much. Most of the times they are in the moment, focused, chill, enjoying the time, and having fun.

This is especially true for those of you who thirst after college girls, they legit do not care about social theories. Funny sidenote, I could so see some Red Piller gaming a younger college girl and saying "my love, you are so fertile!" as she creeps out, almost spit my drink at that thought.

Women subconsciously pick up on this as well, they realize that something is "off" about you. Their brains start ringing and saying that if they introduced you to their friends, their friends will go "what are you doing with that weird guy?". In a way this is even true if you are trying to go into business and reach the younger demographics, you just aren't appealing to them and are seen as "lame".

I think most guys here can benefit from doing alpha hobbies like MMA, getting into sports, going out to have a good time, making friends who are more in the know how, and only using game communities to either find wings or share positive knowledge. A lot of the stuff even on this forum at times will make you bitter, toxic, and unrelatable because its so many guys complaining.

excellent advice!

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

So the point I make keeps getting missed but let me clarify it.

Yes, I do think that it is really weird for a guy in his 30s to be obsessed with wanting 18-21 year old women. If they naturally come to him then great, all the power to him. If on the other hand he is chasing them hard and trying to go to college campuses to get them, he is weird and has some serious issues. I also do not get the obsession men on red pill forums have over women that much younger than them and how obsessed they are with the women being "fertile". Like dude, you sound weird AF and if you put things to her like you do online, she'd run for her life.

Next up, I will stand by what I have said. Yes, most men on fringe online forums like this are really toxic and it explains why they suck so poorly with women. Not only does their vibe suck as they bring that bad energy with them and oh believe me, it is carrying with them to real life, they also come off as odd and unrelatable.

Yes, normal people watch sports and cheer over them for fun.

Normal people are impressed by a good movie.

Dudes on fringe forums are already abnormal and become unrelatable when they have really weird hobbies yet expect hot girls to line up and date them, that is asinine.

 

[Slowhandluke]

The average person is less social able
Due to the internet and even internet dating

You don’t have to be any of those things to mate imo

average as **** people still mate and will continue to

most men can work on their bodies and find some success doing something

you’re also making excuses

So what is the excuse for the decline in marriage rates? The decline in birthrates. The rising number of male virgins? Less guys are having sex.. (except I suppose for those guys in the top 20% or 10%) etc.. etc..

Does the average guy just want it less? Does the average guy just doesn't have the libido to "work for it" anymore as compared to earlier times? Or are they just plain lazy? If so why? To me it looks like the average guy is not lazy. He's asking questions.. he's getting on dating sites... he's trying harder than he did in the past, but he's failing.

Conversely, why are the body counts of women getting higher?? Why are these women having so much sex? Why are average woman getting burned out on dating? To think of it, who are these women HAVING SEX WITH since the number of male virgins are so high, but yet, nobody likes to talk about this, but the number of female virgins are so LOW. What type of man is the average woman having sex with since there is a high number of average men not having sex at all.

These are not excuses. These are facts. Things that make you go "huhmmmmm".....

 

[Ladykiler]

So what is the excuse for the decline in marriage rates? The decline in birthrates. The rising number of male virgins? Less guys are having sex.. (except I suppose for those guys in the top 20% or 10%) etc.. etc..

Does the average guy just want it less? Does the average guy just doesn't have the libido to "work for it" anymore as compared to earlier times? Or are they just plain lazy? If so why? To me it looks like the average guy is not lazy. He's asking questions.. he's getting on dating sites... he's trying harder than he did in the past, but he's failing.

Conversely, why are the body counts of women getting higher?? Why are these women having so much sex? Why are average woman getting burned out on dating? To think of it, who are these women HAVING SEX WITH since the number of male virgins are so high, but yet, nobody likes to talk about this, but the number of female virgins are so LOW. What type of man is the average woman having sex with since there is a high number of average men not having sex at all.

These are not excuses. These are facts. Things that make you go "huhmmmmm".....

Can’t answer most of that stuff for you

i think the average man is afraid to succeed or fail

But that’s just me

 

[Plinco]

Yes, I do think that it is really weird for a guy in his 30s to be obsessed with wanting 18-21 year old women. If they naturally come to him then great, all the power to him. If on the other hand he is chasing them hard and trying to go to college campuses to get them, he is weird and has some serious issues. I also do not get the obsession men on red pill forums have over women that much younger than them and how obsessed they are with the women being "fertile". Like dude, you sound weird AF and if you put things to her like you do online, she'd run for her life.

Let's see, "chasing them hard" and "obsession with being fertile" are not things I say or do on a regular basis, or other members who are older and also date young women in the 18 to 22 range. You didn't think this through before you said it. I appreciate your willingness to give advice but next time think about what you say before you say it.

 

[Epicenter]

So the point I make keeps getting missed but let me clarify it.

Yes, I do think that it is really weird for a guy in his 30s to be obsessed with wanting 18-21 year old women. If they naturally come to him then great, all the power to him. If on the other hand he is chasing them hard and trying to go to college campuses to get them, he is weird and has some serious issues. I also do not get the obsession men on red pill forums have over women that much younger than them and how obsessed they are with the women being "fertile". Like dude, you sound weird AF and if you put things to her like you do online, she'd run for her life.

Next up, I will stand by what I have said. Yes, most men on fringe online forums like this are really toxic and it explains why they suck so poorly with women. Not only does their vibe suck as they bring that bad energy with them and oh believe me, it is carrying with them to real life, they also come off as odd and unrelatable.

Yes, normal people watch sports and cheer over them for fun.

Normal people are impressed by a good movie.

Dudes on fringe forums are already abnormal and become unrelatable when they have really weird hobbies yet expect hot girls to line up and date them, that is asinine.

Ok genius. What we learned is do not be weird. Do not do weird stuff because it makes you weird. Do normal stuff that does not make you weird. We needed a genius like you. What would we do without you?

Your strawmanning reminds me of this "normal"person

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yeah, not being weird is, not being weird. I have nothing against guys that want to have weird hobbies and be social outcasts that reject mainstream society but at the end of the day, don't expect that hot 21 year old sorority girl type to get with you and wake up depressed at 30. It's a simple concept to grasp.

We make friends with people we can relate to.

We buy from people we can relate to.

We do business with people we can relate to.

We vote for people we can relate to.

And we sleep with people we can somewhat relate to.

 

[Slowhandluke]

....
at the end of the day, don't expect that hot 21 year old sorority girl type to get with you and wake up depressed at 30. It's a simple concept to grasp.

That hot girl is likely paired with a hot guy. Assume equal distribution of men and women, all the hot people pair up... average people pair up... etc...

It's an efficient market unless one gender doesn't pair up but "dates" multiple people and the majority of the other gender has no one to date.

 

[BadBoy89]

We make friends with people we can relate to.

We buy from people we can relate to.

We do business with people we can relate to.

We vote for people we can relate to.

And we sleep with people we can somewhat relate to.

What you are talking about is a full fledged committed loving relationship between a man and woman. 2 athletes will get together, 2 doctors will get together, 2 actors will get together.

A man doesn’t need to relate to a woman to have sex with her, all he needs is for her to be fertile and hot.

 

[corrector]

Yeah, not being weird is, not being weird. I have nothing against guys that want to have weird hobbies and be social outcasts that reject mainstream society but at the end of the day, don't expect that hot 21 year old sorority girl type to get with you and wake up depressed at 30. It's a simple concept to grasp.

We make friends with people we can relate to.

We buy from people we can relate to.

We do business with people we can relate to.

We vote for people we can relate to.

And we sleep with people we can somewhat relate to.

Notice how chads are never weird. This is part of another shaming tactic that women describe to those who are sub-par on the looks scale.

Somehow women don't want to relate to average looking guys even if they are a 100% compatible looksmatch.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Notice how chads are never weird. This is part of another shaming tactic that women describe to those who are sub-par on the looks scale.

Somehow women don't want to relate to average looking guys even if they are a 100% compatible looksmatch.

"Chads" are never weird because they grew up playing sports, socializing with other people a lot, being involved in a ton of social activities, and as a result have more experiences that make them relatable. Meanwhile your average dude or incel was stuck on internet forums, complained about women all the time, got into fringe online groups, played a ton of videogames, and stayed locked up in his house.

 

[corrector]

"Chads" are never weird because they grew up playing sports, socializing with other people a lot, being involved in a ton of social activities, and as a result have more experiences that make them relatable. Meanwhile your average dude or incel was stuck on internet forums, complained about women all the time, got into fringe online groups, played a ton of videogames, and stayed locked up in his house.

Chads are often very quantified in their looks, how their facial geometry and features and a number of other physical traits. In fact, you don't even know people on Tinder/internet dating except for a photo. If a chad plays a tonne of video games, and puts a camera on himself doing it, then he makes millions of dollars off of youtube and has allot of female fans. If a chad puts up a tinder profile, and is locked up at home, he'll have women knocking on his door and he can play video games with them if he wants to. Do you really think that every guy growing up playing sports, and have a tonne of social activities, but is sub-5 or average-looking is going to be successful or, perhaps more realistically, just have a bunch of female friends asking him for favours?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Chads are often very quantified in their looks, how their facial geometry and features and a number of other physical traits. In fact, you don't even know people on Tinder/internet dating except for a photo. If a chad plays a tonne of video games, and puts a camera on himself doing it, then he makes millions of dollars off of youtube and has allot of female fans. If a chad puts up a tinder profile, and is locked up at home, he'll have women knocking on his door and he can play video games with them if he wants to. Do you really think that every guy growing up playing sports, and have a tonne of social activities, but is sub-5 or average-looking is going to be successful or, perhaps more realistically, just have a bunch of female friends asking him for favours?

Sooooo...then either:

1. Be Chad
2. Accept your fate
3. Quit the game and find other productive hobbies (that don't involve crying on an internet forum)

I mean what do you want me to do here? You are convinced of your truth, what are you trying to accomplish?

 

[Slowhandluke]

Sooooo...then either:

1. Be Chad
2. Accept your fate
3. Quit the game and find other productive hobbies (that don't involve crying on an internet forum)

It's hard to be Chad. You can only improve your height by so much.. You can only optimize your body so much.. You can only be charming and sociable to a certain degree. Some people are born to be the nerdy engineers and no matter how much he tries to be the stereotypical Chad, it's not going to happen. I went to a top 5 engineer school so I know about these type of people.

Society has to change. This involves everyone being on the same page or else there's going to be more cat women, more unwed single males, lower birthrates, more male virgins, etc.. etc.

It's not crying on the internet. it's trying to learn and understands other peoples perspective no matter how simplistic their perspectives are ;-)

 

[corrector]

Sooooo...then either:

1. Be Chad
2. Accept your fate
3. Quit the game and find other productive hobbies (that don't involve crying on an internet forum)

I mean what do you want me to do here? You are convinced of your truth, what are you trying to accomplish?

That sounds like a good blackpill mantra. Well done.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's hard to be Chad. You can only improve your height by so much.. You can only optimize your body so much.. You can only be charming and sociable to a certain degree. Some people are born to be the nerdy engineers and no matter how much he tries to be the stereotypical Chad, it's not going to happen. I went to a top 5 engineer school so I know about these type of people.

Society has to change. This involves everyone being on the same page or else there's going to be more cat women, more unwed single males, lower birthrates, more male virgins, etc.. etc.

It's not crying on the internet. it's trying to learn and understands other peoples perspective no matter how simplistic their perspectives are ;-)

Here is my problem dude. I am not going to debate you here but you are obviously convinced that your point of view is right. Society ain't changing. It's like asking for things to be like how they used to be where dudes could work in the factory and buy a home, it ain't happening.

So you are convinced that some dudes are doomed to fail with women, fine. Maybe you are one of those dudes, that's fine. Then why spend your days on a forum where men are dedicating themselves to get better with women? Why spread your version of "truth" in a place where it has no benefit other than making other men toxic and not give it their all with game?

Why not leave, go to a place which is more conductive to a hobby you are cut out for, and just focus on that?

Society is not changing, period. To think day and night about it is worrying about stuff way out of your control.

Men do turn their dating lives around.

Men do slay.

Men are adjusting.

Men are getting theirs.

You are not and that's fine but why stick around?

I genuinely never got dudes who have thrown in the towel that somehow still stick around on forums like this to spread their depressing message? Is it because seeing others potentially succeeds hurts that much more?

 

[Hamurabimbi]

So the point I make keeps getting missed but let me clarify it.

Yes, I do think that it is really weird for a guy in his 30s to be obsessed with wanting 18-21 year old women. If they naturally come to him then great, all the power to him. If on the other hand he is chasing them hard and trying to go to college campuses to get them, he is weird and has some serious issues. I also do not get the obsession men on red pill forums have over women that much younger than them and how obsessed they are with the women being "fertile". Like dude, you sound weird AF and if you put things to her like you do online, she'd run for her life.

Next up, I will stand by what I have said. Yes, most men on fringe online forums like this are really toxic and it explains why they suck so poorly with women. Not only does their vibe suck as they bring that bad energy with them and oh believe me, it is carrying with them to real life, they also come off as odd and unrelatable.

Yes, normal people watch sports and cheer over them for fun.

Normal people are impressed by a good movie.

Dudes on fringe forums are already abnormal and become unrelatable when they have really weird hobbies yet expect hot girls to line up and date them, that is asinine.

Being obsessed with anything is probably bad. But if being interested in young women is weird...well call me Mr. Weirdo.