The number one reason MOST of you on here probably struggle.

[DonJuanjr]

These guys are too busy in their relatable hobbies

Examples?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Examples?

- MMA
- Bartending
- Skiing
- Sailing/any sport in the water
- DJing/Music
- Photography

To name a few

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Troll detected.

This is “know your place” propaganda.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with having standards and wanting to change and improve society. In fact, that’s how we go here - through struggle and change and victory and defeat. That’s the story of man.

The story of Men is not, as you suggest, rubbing your own nipples smugly and saying “well, mr misogynistic man, you just don’t get it!”

I wouldn’t be surprised if your real name is Jessica Pinkhole

1. My character is a famous TV Character.

2. You want to go your own way and go on a tirade about masculinity, be my guest. Go on it and you will end up like most other bitter red pill writers crying about how tough it is to get laid after 30. Not that I am against whatever they are saying but if we are being practical here with the end goal of sleeping with hot girls, that is not going to get you any success at all.

Save the rhetoric for a red pill conference, this is the truth I am giving you if you want to be practical and achieve the end result.

 

[DonJuanjr]

- Sailing/any sport in the water

Flyfishing?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

The funny thing is I get more sex than I know what to do with. And it’s because women love grump/funny guys like me with ultra conservative gender polarity standards.

Masculinity works very well, especially in a world full of Pink Men trying to relate to women about the latest woke fad. You bring your own reality to her, the woman (if attracted) gets sucked into your reality. You own her cl1t with proper frame. You don’t own anything if your approach is “gee I wonder how I can relate to women and their hobbies in 2022”

Men who get laid a lot, in my experience, are super discreet. You don’t want to draw huge amounts or attention to yourself. If you’re banging lots of different women on the regular, and women know this about you explicitly, then this actually causes their guard to go up. They want to see you proofed and masculine, but they don’t want to see you actually banging multiple women. That triggers them in an angry/horny way (very dangerous).

The best way to truly bang multiple women and to get away with it cleanly without the wrath of society is to be a grey man. Like an X-man shape shifter.

You know, I actually agree with a lot of what you have said. I think we got lost in what I was trying to say and it got taken another way. I am not saying be some feminist or some BLM activist type to get laid, in fact those guys rarely get laid. You are correct in that the men who get laid a lot are very discreet.

My point is that there is a fine line between holding conservative views versus being one of those guys who is obsessed with talking politics and is always ranting on about how society is ending and things need to go back to how they used to be. Like most red pilled guys I have met from being a part of the RP community years back do not get laid, at all. The ones who do date busted up girls. I'd say that the guys who do get laid hold conservative views on the down low but are very discreet about it.

At the same time thought, they are relatable in a social sense. You can sit down and have a drink with them. You can introduce them to your friends and feel like they are not that weird guy.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Yeah. Generalised Complaining about society is beta signalling i.e. unhappy = unsuccessful

Here’s where my “complaining” comes from though. The overall quality of women is declining because of woke social programs designed to de-sex us. This is my issue. I love femininity and vagina so much that it breaks my heart to see all of these women being forced to behave as men, often having to stuff their faces with anti-depressants to cope with their totally unnatural existences.

Why can’t be let women be women? Why are “women” now defined as men in wigs?

Why? (Well, I know why).

Any man who truly appreciates femininity (and putting his d1ck in femininity) should be absolutely outraged at the only true misogynism in this world which is the Woke agenda to destroy femininity and destroy masculinity and have us all swimming around in a cyber space meta verse having gay sex with androgynes with franken-chodes and vaginas with ballsacks instead of labia.

I used to feel the same way and went into a really dark mental space after the 2020 election or as I like to call it, the selection. Over time, I realized that I was genuinely powerless myself in this and got my head out of the politics. While the decline has occurred, I have been lucky to find quite a bit of people who have laughed at it and am finding more women pushing back against the woke nonsense. Come down to Miami with me sometime, Latinas hate that nonsense and some white women are starting to as well.

Are they the majority? Not at all but they are out there. I guess you can say I saw the glass as half full, or really 25% full. I'll deal with the decline as it comes. Till then, I'll avoid places like the Pacific Northwest.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I became apathetic after the 2020 selection also... I had to mentally check out of the corruption outrage. I'll just do my thing on my terms, and wait for the collapse.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Nope, read my post again, I am not moving any post and you missed the point. Bitter dudes who whine about social trends don't get it, they are nothing like the guys who actually get these women.

Lets say there's 10 women and 10 guys. Lets say 9 of these women go for the same 4 to two guys (depending who you talk to). Well, the rest of the other guys would kinda be miffed. Basically the remaining 6 (or 8) guys will have no girlfriends or wives. Because of this, I understand the bitterness.

BACK IN THE DAY, people were forced by society to pair off - date quickly, get married, and have kids. Everyone had an easier time finding mates even the bottom 6 or 8 guys - because people paired off quickly; no dating around bullshiet.. There was more emphases for BOTH sexes to overlook flaws, and make things work for the long term. Sure X person wasn't the best looking... Sure Y guy was somewhat awkward, but people paired off quickly and they noticed that their selection was not "infinite". Hell, it's just only recently did women on dating apps notice/rediscovered that they actually have a fertility window AND it ends.

Yes, bitter dudes are nothing like the guys who actually get women. The guys who get women are actually in the top 20% or higher of guys. This was not the case back in the day.... and lets be honest, those that are doing most of the fooking are in the top 20% or higher. Those that are loosing out are the lower "ranked" guys and ultimately the lower ranked women who "fly too close to the sun", but ultimately have their wax wings melt away. Unsurprisingly, these are the two demographics that are "bitter" - the women more bitter, the guys less (since we are guys and are cool; we are built for adversity).

How can this be solved? No idea. For lower ranked guys, "seduction" techniques don't work. They just come of as desperate. Until people understand that "dating around" doesn't work for the average person, we will have this problem. I say, give it another 10 years. We are progressing. It use to be "queen, you go girl"... or "don't settle"... etc.. etc.. now you hear less and less of that bull... and more or "my chances of being pregnant are getting lower and lower as I age.. I'm sad.. give me validation" or "I turned X age, and guys don't notice me anymore... give me validation". etc.. Trust me the tide is turning. Heck maybe in 5 more years we will have the lower ranked guys and girls getting together again. Who knows? People in general are weird.

 

[Epicenter]

Nope, read my post again, I am not moving any post and you missed the point. Bitter dudes who whine about social trends don't get it, they are nothing like the guys who actually get these women.

You are strawmanning.

Men are men that is mostly why women can not relate. They have different likes and expectations.

That does not mean that these guys are bitter without hobbies and guy friends.

There are guys who are bitter and complainers but that is another thing. Do not mix these up.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

okay, I don’t want to give out an Incel vibe women, that I agree with you, but I’m not going to fake my way in to a relationship and end up in a hell scenario. If she doesn’t like me for who I am, screw her. I don’t get turned down because of my hobbies, I get turned down because I don’t come across as a “black guy” in person. Fvck them, I’m not going to put a clown show for them. Down the line, you are essentially become her Will Smith lol. Your hobbies that you mention seem extreme and likely would attract some hopeless romantic princess looking for her next guy adrenaline junkie fix.

I’m also not a fan of extreme sports like MMA unless you’re getting paid for it because I’m in Orthopedic sales and injuries associated with Weekend Warriors are no joke FYI. I’m not advocating not to exercise but just think to yourself, is this worth having physical issues past 45.

But yeah it’s funny, a lot of guys over here calling themselves red pill chads when most Chads don’t even know what red pill is and are actually blue pill af.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

I used to feel the same way and went into a really dark mental space after the 2020 election or as I like to call it, the selection. Over time, I realized that I was genuinely powerless myself in this and got my head out of the politics. While the decline has occurred, I have been lucky to find quite a bit of people who have laughed at it and am finding more women pushing back against the woke nonsense. Come down to Miami with me sometime, Latinas hate that nonsense and some white women are starting to as well.

Are they the majority? Not at all but they are out there. I guess you can say I saw the glass as half full, or really 25% full. I'll deal with the decline as it comes. Till then, I'll avoid places like the Pacific Northwest.

Two things I don't do are social media and cable news/politics. I also don't read the tabloids. For example, I have absolutely no idea what this Will Smith/Jada thing is all about, and I don't care. Life is much more enjoyable when you just focus on you.

 

[Plinco]

Nope, read my post again, I am not moving any post and you missed the point. Bitter dudes who whine about social trends don't get it, they are nothing like the guys who actually get these women.

To clarify, just because I'm dissatisfied with what goes on around me doesn't mean that I'm bitter, whine, don't get women, and that I'm incapable of making changes. The key is being a good communicator.

You think 30+ dudes are mentally ill for wanting peak women. Your telling people to conform to blue pill standards which gets me to think you are a troll. Why don't you elaborate on that.

I became apathetic after the 2020 selection also... I had to mentally check out of the corruption outrage. I'll just do my thing on my terms, and wait for the collapse.

Not looking forward for a collapse.

 

[Smok1nAce]

The internet "fringe" forums are you best and worst enemy.

On one hand you have solid information, but you have the bitterness and overthinking that comes with that. Its like trying to workout out 5 mins after eating a huge meal, you need time to digest.

On the other hand you have, no internet just mass media information, this will make you complacent but makes you relatable to 99% of people.

Men who are good with women dont spend hours a week on this site, but guys who aren't on this site are 8x out of 10 beta simps.




I have siad this before, this site is a one stop, spend some time learn some stuff but then dont return for at least a year. The information you learn here is as close to gospel as it can get and can applied for a lifetime. The only reason I do is cause life is extremely slow right now for me. This stuff really isn't rocket science and if you still struggle after being on this website for years then women should be the least of your problems.

 

[Chuck Taylor]

The internet "fringe" forums are you best and worst enemy.

On one hand you have solid information, but you have the bitterness and overthinking that comes with that.

On the other hand you have, no internet just mass media information, this will make you complacent but makes you relatible to 99% of people.

Men who are good with women dont spend hours a week on this site, but guys who arent on this site are 8x out of 10 beta simps.

I wouldn't say that. I'm new here, but i don't think a lot of guys, even the most successful with women, have ever heard the term 'red pill.' Much less, are on a forum like this.

 

[Smok1nAce]

I wouldn't say that. I'm new here, but i don't think a lot of guys, even the most successful with women, have ever heard the term 'red pill.' Much less, are on a forum like this.

Your right, those are just merely terms used to generalize things. (Internet lingo)

But being good with women and simpin are two diffent things.

 

[Plinco]

Nope, read my post again, I am not moving any post and you missed the point. Bitter dudes who whine about social trends don't get it, they are nothing like the guys who actually get these women.

To clarify, just because I'm dissatisfied with what goes on around me doesn't mean that I'm bitter, whine, don't get women, and that I'm incapable of making changes. The key is being a good communicator.

You think 30+ dudes are mentally ill for wanting peak women. Your telling people to conform to blue pill standards which gets me to think you are a troll. Why don't you elaborate on that.

I've given this some thought and wanted to come back to this. I think I know what you are talking about, give me some rope.

What I think you are saying is that (and to use the matrix analogy) is that people outside of the matrix take the wisdom from people inside the matrix for granted. As corrupt as the modern culture is, there is some value to it. Not only that, but people who disregard modern culture look too old

I want to say this, because I think that you think people who are on this forum do not have active lifestyles. I practice brazilian jiu jitsu and muay thai, I own my own business, and play volleyball once a week.

Honestly, if you are an older guy with a thing for 18 to 20 year olds, get examined. I am not saying this to be rude but I genuinely think that something is wrong with older dudes who are obsessed with women that are barely legal. It's been hyped up as some revenge porn in Red Pill circles but the truth is that most men who lust after barely legal women have pedo-like tendencies. Again, I hate to sound rude but as an older guy, aim for girls who are old enough to drink.

I really wish you would have replied because I have a problem this. I do not do porn and I do not have pedo-like tendencies. I have to say, that I don't appreciate you suggesting that I have mental problems because I have found girls in the 18 to 22 attractive.

 

[sangheilios]

So if you expect to have a few million in 5 years you're already well off. I just find this hard to believe from all your post on here about working out and having money. Especially in your 30s when women tend to become more gold digging. Not calling you out or anything but I just find this pretty odd.

Maybe it's a regional thing, I dunno. Here in SWFL it's tourist, service based economy and crap pay , high cost of living so maybe that's why the women around here seem to be more attracted to money, I dunno but I find it odd you have money and fit but don't do good.

Reminds me of that other euro poster, Attackformation is his name I think. Is trim and excellent shape and doesn't get any replies on OLD.

You might be onto something about not being flashy so they think you don't have money or lie about your wealth. I personally think it's stupid buying 1000 handbags and stupid stuff women buy.

Women who make good cash seem to have debit problems because they spend all of the money and can't save.

I don't use OLD at all. I don't flaunt wealth and unless I openly disclosed my status there is no way you'd ever imagine this.

One, I am pursuing wealth so that I can have the option of living the life that I want without having to be stuck in an endless 9-5 type grind where I'm never getting ahead, with a job that is soul crushing in addition to all of that. When I was relatively young, early teen years, I was stuck in traffic in one of the biggest metros in the country that I grew up in. I out loud asked "Why do people do this every single day?" and the adults responded by saying they needed to pay the bills, a kid this young already had a concept of something like this that middle aged adults had never even considered. I'm honestly not all that materialistic, no need for a sports car or jewelry, etc. I want to live life on my terms and be "free" and do what I want to do, not sure if that makes sense.

I'm in a unique set of circumstances where I was able to begin working towards this at a relatively young age, which is why I am doing really well. I also took a lot of risks that most people would not have been willing to partake in. As for flaunting wealth, I feel that this can often create a lot of problems that you should try to avoid. A couple years back I disclosed my financial status a little too much and it attracted fake people into my life that I honestly did not need. I'm not referring to women, but just other men who became friendly towards me in order to benefit, I don't want to get into details about this because I always look back and just laugh at myself lol.

 

[Barrister]

OP,

My two cents on why you are getting some backlash here - while you make some good points, coming onto a forum as a new member and trying to lump all of us into a single category without having any familiarity with any of us is going to cause some waves. And I realize your title states and even emphasizes the word "MOST" denoting that you aren't referring to all of us, but quite frankly there are a lot of good posters here with a lot of experience laying chicks. Are there some posters here who fall into the rut you describe in your first post? Sure. But I would say for the most part most guys on this forum have experienced some success dating/banging women (and some have experienced A LOT of success).

This site is one of the few places, from what I can tell, where men can come and discuss women and be completely open about it without having to have some PC/SJW drivel shoved down their throats and up their a$$ for just telling it like it is. So naturally guys are going to sometimes want to complain and experience the support that comes with it. That has to be tempered with some sound advice. I have been helped out here many times and try to do the same. Doesn't mean disagreements don't occur.

This is a good site with a lot of insight from some very good posters. I imagine if you stick around you will find that out for yourself.

 

[Slowhandluke]

This stuff really isn't rocket science and if you still struggle after being on this website for years then women should be the least of your problems.

It is rocket science to a lot of guys. There were many awkward people in the past (just like today), but yet they were able to pair up.

The average person is not any less sociable today than 20/30 years; but yet, the average person is not marrying or getting dates that turns into ltrs.

Stop blaming guys. It's not the average guys fault. Not everyone can be a Don Juan. Not everyone can be a fighter pilot, doctor or successful lawyer; make loads of money or have a sculpted body; or learn how to manipulate other people. That's just how the world works, but yet in the past the average guy had a better chance of mating.

Solve this issue and the world would be a better place. It's more complex than "just have game".

 

[espanish]

so according to your theory, I should start doing something that I have zero interest in (netflix, travel), so I can talk to girls?