Chasing sex is still chasing women. (Long vent)

[Kdw8]

I'm kinda tired of PUA's ranting about the "don't chase women" schtick, clearly they don't live by it and are mostly unattractive dudes speaking on the fact. If you chase sex, you chase women. If you're unattractive, women won't initiate anything, you have to make the first and last moves to even get her to clock you, and she can easily lose interest and bail and find someone that's checks most of her boxes in this women privileged dating environment. The tactics of "don't chase" don't work in a dating environment where everything is so fast, women have bottomless pitt of options, and will ghost you over saying one thing slightly wrong.

You stop texting her, someone else will text her.
You stop initating dates, someone else will initiate dates.
You stop f*cking her , someone else will give her the d*ck.

A woman can be highly attracted to you and still do these things because of pride. They all have too much pride (and options) . Ignoring her for several days and calling it "not chasing", doesn't make guys different from the rest of the men she's talking too, women will lose interest and forget your name in a second. I had a woman I met at a smoothie shop a year ago who insisted on giving me her number after striking up a conversation about a infamous painter we both liked, I thought me texting her a week later and keeping it brief would give me more mystique (idiot of me) and she completely forgot my name, where we met, what we were talking about, and I think she got scared and blocked me.

Everything is more nuanced than PUA'S claim, Men and women aren't one dimensional. They are investing in women, or getting escorts and braggin about that . Its misleading.

 

[Zimbabwe]

You have already admitted that you never had a successful relationship in your own thread, yet here you are trying to give "advice"

 

[Kdw8]

You have already admitted that you never had a successful relationship in your own thread, yet here you are trying to give "advice"

Still angry bc I’ve been calling out your annoying incel ****. I’ve been in two relationships lasting less than a year. I’m 24, I still have plenty of learning to do and time to go. I pray to the lord, I don’t become as angry, bitter, and as lonely as you’re to the point where I spend all of my life on this forum and cat fishing as women on tinder like a f*g then bragging about it. Lame f*g. I still pity you.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Call me a fag, blue pilled,cuck, trash, simp. Man idc and not in the mood for it. I've seen 3 ugly divorces play out

I find it funny you go on these incel tier rants and try to act like your not bitter.

 

[Bigpapa]

I'm kinda tired of PUA's ranting about the "don't chase women" schtick, clearly they don't live by it and are mostly unattractive dudes speaking on the fact. If you chase sex, you chase women. If you're unattractive, women won't initiate anything, you have to make the first and last moves to even get her to clock you, and she can easily lose interest and bail and find someone that's checks most of her boxes in this women privileged dating environment. The tactics of "don't chase" don't work in a dating environment where everything is so fast, women have bottomless pitt of options, and will ghost you over saying one thing slightly wrong.

You stop texting her, someone else will text her.
You stop initating dates, someone else will initiate dates.
You stop f*cking her , someone else will give her the d*ck.

A woman can be highly attracted to you and still do these things because of pride. They all have too much pride (and options) . Ignoring her for several days and calling it "not chasing", doesn't make guys different from the rest of the men she's talking too, women will lose interest and forget your name in a second. I had a woman I met at a smoothie shop a year ago who insisted on giving me her number after striking up a conversation about a infamous painter we both liked, I thought me texting her a week later and keeping it brief would give me more mystique (idiot of me) and she completely forgot my name, where we met, what we were talking about, and I think she got scared and blocked me.

Everything is more nuanced than PUA'S claim, Men and women aren't one dimensional. They are investing in women, or getting escorts and braggin about that . Its misleading.

good one

women should be a byproduct of your life , not your life centered around women

you also have to be ok to play the number game. Some will bite harder than others

having an objective to sleep with as many women is as bad as being a simp , as there is nothing for the guy at the end of the ride

you can also be one of the guys like the tinder swindler , and use women to go wherever you want to go .But you see , this has an objective to use women for your personal gain

 

[Dr.Suave]

U waited a week? Three days would have been pushing it. Maybe u can wait a week once u went out at least once. But a whole week after getting her digits was too much. No worries, we are all learning. Next

 

[Velasco]

Started out fine, you reached out, but she got flaky.

Nope. It is more nuanced than that.

 

[EyeBRollin]

U waited a week? Three days would have been pushing it. Maybe u can wait a week once u went out at least once. But a whole week after getting her digits was too much. No worries, we are all learning.

Nah, a week is fine. If she is that interested and wants to chat she can pick up the damn phone and hit him up.

 

[Velasco]

Nah, a week is fine. If she is that interested and wants to chat she can pick up the damn phone and hit him up.

Youve admitted in the past you only deal with girls below your smv. While this may be true with them, this will not be the case with hot girls with options (at least not in the beginning when she's not locked in yet)

 

[EyeBRollin]

Youve admitted in the past you only deal with girls below your smv. While this may be true with them, this will not be the case with hot girls with options (at least not in the beginning when she's not locked in yet)

You aren’t going to get HB8+ with options. That is what most guys can’t accept.

 

[Velasco]

You aren’t going to get HB8+ with options. That is what most guys can’t accept.

Massive misunderstanding of how attraction works

 

[Velasco]

don't recommend scheduling texts as a tactic

I recommend you do what works for you, as long as you're gaining something from it.

So if you find, for example, that your not gaining anything from texting back right away without even stopping to think about it. And that holding off just a couple of minutes before sending off that text back, under specific contexts, yields better results, then it works despite frame fail.

The guy whose screenshot I shared started texting girls back not too long after their first encounter and found that keeping the momentum going VS not sending anything because you don't really feel like it , works better because he found himself in multiple situations where the later, kept causing him to lose girls as a result.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The guy whose screenshot I shared started texting girls back not too long after their first encounter and found that keeping the momentum going VS not sending anything because you don't really feel like it , works better because he found himself in multiple situations where the later, kept causing him to lose girls as a result.

Those girls were never his. The point here is pre-selection. Women know off rip how seriously they will take you. No amount of texting or communicating will change this. If she has already selected you as a potential main, she will do the pursuing.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Massive misunderstanding of how attraction works

No. I keep it real. I am a higher income, short, relatively handsome 32 year old black male. Based off SMV, I am not Tyrone. Telling me I can “game” my way into the pants of a girl that looks like Lori Harvey is peak delusion. A big part of the game is having self-awareness about your own SMV.

 

[Velasco]

Those girls were never his. The point here is pre-selection. Women know off rip how seriously they will take you. No amount of texting or communicating will change this. If she has already selected you as a potential main, she will do the pursuing.

If I recall correctly you are a disciple of doctor love. Meaning your just regurgitating what he says. Meaning you don't know what your talking about

 

[Velasco]

No. I keep it real. I am a higher income, short, relatively handsome 32 year old black male. Based off SMV, I am not Tyrone. Telling me I can “game” my way into the pants of a girl that looks like Lori Harvey is peak delusion. A big part of the game is having self-awareness about your own SMV.

Hmm I'm the complete opposite of you (lower income, tall, handsome, Spanish 29 years old). What I said has nothing to do with "gaming" your way into fvcking a girl that looks like lori Harvey.

 

[EyeBRollin]

If I recall correctly you are a disciple of doctor love. Meaning your just regurgitating what he says. Meaning you don't know what your talking about

All the RP “gurus” and “coaches” are ripped straight from Doc Love. Coincidence?

 

[fastlife]

I'm kinda tired of PUA's ranting about the "don't chase women" schtick, clearly they don't live by it and are mostly unattractive dudes speaking on the fact. If you chase sex, you chase women. If you're unattractive, women won't initiate anything, you have to make the first and last moves to even get her to clock you, and she can easily lose interest and bail and find someone that's checks most of her boxes in this women privileged dating environment. The tactics of "don't chase" don't work in a dating environment where everything is so fast, women have bottomless pitt of options, and will ghost you over saying one thing slightly wrong.

You stop texting her, someone else will text her.
You stop initating dates, someone else will initiate dates.
You stop f*cking her , someone else will give her the d*ck.

A woman can be highly attracted to you and still do these things because of pride. They all have too much pride (and options) . Ignoring her for several days and calling it "not chasing", doesn't make guys different from the rest of the men she's talking too, women will lose interest and forget your name in a second. I had a woman I met at a smoothie shop a year ago who insisted on giving me her number after striking up a conversation about a infamous painter we both liked, I thought me texting her a week later and keeping it brief would give me more mystique (idiot of me) and she completely forgot my name, where we met, what we were talking about, and I think she got scared and blocked me.

Everything is more nuanced than PUA'S claim, Men and women aren't one dimensional. They are investing in women, or getting escorts and braggin about that . Its misleading.

I don't know of any PUAs who still recommend waiting a couple of days to text since ~2014--so it seems you're arguing against a strawman. Before that, it made sense because that was pre-smartphone, pre-insta, pre-tinder and you could expect a girl's emotional attention span to last longer than 24 hrs. But these days, from the time you meet the girl, it's pretty much tonight, tomorrow, or never. There are exceptions to that, but you can't count on them.

Also, I'll text girls multiple times over the course of a couple days/weeks even if I don't get a response, assuming I still want her at that point. 0 ****s given, I've had too many girls swerve and then suddenly be DTF the next time I hit them up. Guys just don't understand what a hot girl's reality is these days--like one time I was laying in bed with a girl who had a verified IG and she pulled out her phone to show me something and she had ~200 unread texts, ~700 unopened snaps, and ~2000 unopened IG notifications. And that was in a few yrs ago--things are even crazier now. And guys worry that she didn't respond to one text (that was probably boring af cause most guys suck at texting anyway).

As far as worrying about whether you're chasing or not, that's the definition of low value. It's only chasing if you let your emotions get tied up in it--but no one's consistently bagging hot <22 y/o girls without dealing with a lot of flakiness (unless they're pulling them for SNLs, which is usually the way to go if logistics allow). And worrying about a girl's perception of you pre-sex is dumb af--you don't even exist to a girl until you fvck her. Also, worrying about whether you "really have" a girl or not is also weak af--bordering on delusional--idc where I am on a girl's roster, but chances are it's a roster, and the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[Velasco]

the RP “gurus” and “coaches” are ripped straight from Doc Love. Coincidence?

Is it also pure coincidence that most, if not all, soon thereafter turned out to be frauds?

I call this out because I have direct experience that goes against this "were never his" "she will do the pursuing" with high SMV girls.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Is it also pure coincidence that most, if not all, soon thereafter turned out to be frauds?

I call this out because I have direct experience that goes against this "were never his" "she will do the pursuing" with high SMV girls.

That’s fine if you want to call Doc Love a fraud. Exceptions don’t make the rule.