I dont understand the swinger/ cuckold thing

[DonJuanjr]

When you give your money away you have less money. If your wife gets ****ed she still has the same amount of holes left. So what you lose is not clear.

With how fvcked the court system is. Could possibly lose money when she gets pregnant by one of the dudes, and you're forced to raise it if you didn't want to end the union, or pay child support if you did.

 

[Epicenter]

With how fvcked the court system is. Could possibly lose money when she gets pregnant by one of the dudes, and you're forced to raise it if you didn't want to end the union, or pay child support if you did.

I know but that is not the point here. People climb the Everest. A bit of danger comes with the play. Though better to do that stuff in the Philippines with pros.

 

[HaleyBaron]

In the end, I don’t think the poly girl could handle the fact that I had other options.

Every time. Why these girls keep catching oneitus? Is my **** just that good? And it is not like I want to go into beta mode to try to scare them away either. Cause my pride is on the line and these girls gossip to their other girls how good I am [which has led me to getting more girl opportunities]. Incels [hate this word] think grass is greener on our side, but it aint.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Ancient Greeks were ok with it.

It wasn't the same as Gays today, you basically had an Older man choose a younger man to raise and "mentor" they would form a gay relationship that increased their bond. Soldiers also were gay to increase their bonds and women were just used for children.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Every time. Why these girls keep catching oneitus? Is my **** just that good? And it is not like I want to go into beta mode to try to scare them away either. Cause my pride is on the line and these girls gossip to their other girls how good I am [which has led me to getting more girl opportunities]. Incels [hate this word] think grass is greener on our side, but it aint.

I dont understand why you quoted me with this response. Seems unrelated to me

 

[Epicenter]

It wasn't the same as Gays today, you basically had an Older man choose a younger man to raise and "mentor" they would form a gay relationship that increased their bond. Soldiers also were gay to increase their bonds and women were just used for children.

For love making there were prostitutes

husbands could freely engage the services of prostitutes, live-in lovers, and courtesans.

Women in Ancient Greece

Women in the ancient Greek world had few rights in comparison to male citizens. Unable to vote, own land, or inherit, a woman's place was in the home and her purpose in life was the rearing of children...

www.worldhistory.org

 

[Zimbabwe]

For love making there were prostitutes

Women in Ancient Greece

Women in the ancient Greek world had few rights in comparison to male citizens. Unable to vote, own land, or inherit, a woman's place was in the home and her purpose in life was the rearing of children...

www.worldhistory.org

They had a thing called pederasty, i think a lot of them were bisexual since they eventually got married.

Pederasty in ancient Greece - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Epicenter]

They had a thing called pederasty, i think a lot of them were bisexual since they eventually got married.

Pederasty in ancient Greece - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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I guess most guys just did not have the money to have seex with pros so they did the alternative. If that was not available they did it with animals at least it was this way in the area for thousands of years.

Kind of like guys in prisons.

 

[Zimbabwe]

I guess most guys just did not have the money to have seex with pros so they did the alternative. If that was not available they did it with animals at least it was this way in the area for thousands of years.

Kind of like guys in prisons.

Laws were invented to prevent this kind of stuff for a reason, it was obviously very widespread in the ancient world.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Here's how it typically happens. Male and female meets. For 2-3 years, there's a romantic interaction. Sex is plentiful. Male feels the need to lock down this good pusssy situation. Engagement ring happens. Wedding happens around the 2-3 year mark. Sex still plentiful for the first 2-3 years after the wedding. Then, if no kids, boredom sets in. If kids in first 2-3 years, kids take over everything. For the next 2-3 years, less sex, more boredom. Then either an affair, divorce, or just ongoing boredom. Ongoing boredom is where people do swinging/poly/open relationships.

Alex grace linked well documented science-based studies that indicate what you said.

Essentially women rope in dorks and switch off after kids.

Np in the before times. Dudes would bail. The state now guarantee resources. The state is the enemy and the decimated nuclear family is a by product of the con that duped women into believing they don't need a man. Vote daddy government.

The ultimate vengeance is seeing where Karen ends up post wall.

After the exciting phases of the relationship (bf-gf stage and initial 2 years or so of marriage), the relationship stinks. However, 2x a month married sex is better than being a near incel, which a lot of beta males would be without a wife.

I don't disagree with you but dudes don't approach. We're a statistical anomaly. Fellas are awkward as ****kkk. I put more work in my sleep then your average male. Fellas don't source or think game is swipe right on attention *****s and low hanging fruit.

YouTube has everybody thinking they pull 15/10s while ranting about hypergamy and not going out but trolling incels or jack Murphy 4 hour pods. 0 girls. House husband lulz! At the risk of sounding like a Homer, you got Troy Francis nearly 50 running game approaching live on a pod. Fellas put no work in and settle for the village bicycle. Then buy some dorks ebook on YouTube. Or some rubbish digital program about nonsense.

Few of my married friends have said anything about their sex lives to me. A non-married guy I know in an 8 year long relationship said a few years ago (2019, pre-pandemic) that boredom had set in and sex frequency had dropped. I don't know why he didn't leave then. My social circle had multiple marriages in 2017 so we're probably coming up on the boredom phase in the 2017 marriages.

Mate, I watched fellas drop off early and mid 20s. At 30 it's a ghost town by end many former playboy's. I agree with Rollo. Most naturals are blue pill. I noticed that the best of the lot instinctively did their decaprio routine. Checked out wanting kids. I can count a handful that did it right. IE pulled top form smv 18-23 low bodies and girl went All In. They started a family. The better players dragged her along through her 20s early to late before a proposal. Got her best.

The definition of married man is a man playing house. Relationships have a shelf life of goodness in most cases that is no more than 5 years. In a relationship, there are ways to slow down the time it takes for boredom to set in (not living together, not seeing each other nearly daily after 1.5-2 years, etc). Even still, it's difficult to keep the passion fires burning beyond 5 years.

I think it's the west as well as human nature. Alternatively, SE, Eastern Europe, parts of South America and others hold traditional values. While not a guarantee a far higher probability of greater success (whatever that means) vs the west. I 100% agree with you. The exception is a outlier yet fellas are at the casino table going broke via divorce rapey and not having got the best.

Wow, you were about 18 then and you got an invitation to rail some dude's wife. Impressive! You did the right thing by getting too shiitfaced on alcohol, puking, and not doing the whole thing.

I think I was even younger. I didn't do it. Was weirded out. They seemed cool. We partied but it was apparent that's what they did. I suspect that any dude doing that had to be gay. Wtf?

I've gone full retard after that. After learning game and knowing female nature.

For those who don't know who @DEEZEDBRAH is talking about, here is Geoffrey Miller, PhD at University of New Mexico and professiorial cuck.

I had no clue until you told me. Similarly to David B and others in the Evo psych it's hard to argue that science BUT they all seem to cuck out. Always some liberal low t shenanigans.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I can understand a married couple banging other people. I can't understand how a guy who's not banging other chicks can get turned on by his wife getting djcked down by other dudes. "Yeah, my woman wants other men's djcks in her, and not mine. That's so hot." I'll never understand it.

I'm convinced they are phaggots in disguise. I don't comprehend how. Imagine being under 18 and a dude signals you to go in on his wife?

I was shocked and appalled. I would later learn it's pretty common. Higher probability of pulling running into a Bachelorette parts over a ladies night at a bar. 80% of divorce initiated by women. The same women are checked out before they rug pull and in cowardice fashion. There's a good chance a lot of the wives today have had an abortion, been in gang bangs or orgies. Even more common is cam whoring or actual whoring, escorting or blatant prostitution.

The longer she's not locked down, the higher the probability she's participated in a significant amount of the above if not all (to some extent or another).

There is a lot of mentally insane people. I don't get it. The dude probably saw 1 up close before (more than once ).

I don't understand why there was multiple hour long pods on jack Murphy? Nobody who gets girls is listening to that nor doing a pod about it. Lulz!

 

[B80]

It wasn't the same as Gays today, you basically had an Older man choose a younger man to raise and "mentor" they would form a gay relationship that increased their bond. Soldiers also were gay to increase their bonds and women were just used for children.

Yes, think Alexander the greats armies were reknowned for that kind of 'bonding'. And Alexander himself iirc.

 

[Pandora]

I know guys who are into it. They are invariably unannounced homosexuals.

No Straight Man could possibly enjoy being in the same room as another man during sex.

As I've told you in previous threads, homosexuals also regularly have sex with women - they do this by pretending they don't want to have sex with a woman, but they'll make this 1 exception just once (woman's ego explodes) - telling a woman you're gay is a powerful self-disqualifying neg . It's a form of Game. That's why gay men were traditionally seen as a corrosive element on society and culture - women love them. Straight men noticed this and (justifiably, imo) attempted to remove the gay lifestyle from society.

Bro you speak truth. I recently smashed a girl that is facking a "bisexual" guy. This dude facks dudes so I consider him gay. I used a condom with her because I warned her of the HIV risk in his population. To be fair she also insisted on the condom.

This girl would be amazing if she wasn't doing this with him. The fact the she keeps justifying his behavior is a huge turn off for me.

I have gay friend who regularly facks women. I don't know why these guys don't pick a damn side. They are double dipping which greatly increased the risk of HIV. It's very selfish. I think these dudes just like holes. It doesn't matter what hole. I will never understand how you can be both attracted to men and women. They are opposite preferences that are mutually exclusive.

 

[Pandora]

Here's how it typically happens. Male and female meets. For 2-3 years, there's a romantic interaction. Sex is plentiful. Male feels the need to lock down this good pusssy situation. Engagement ring happens. Wedding happens around the 2-3 year mark. Sex still plentiful for the first 2-3 years after the wedding. Then, if no kids, boredom sets in. If kids in first 2-3 years, kids take over everything. For the next 2-3 years, less sex, more boredom. Then either an affair, divorce, or just ongoing boredom. Ongoing boredom is where people do swinging/poly/open relationships.

After the exciting phases of the relationship (bf-gf stage and initial 2 years or so of marriage), the relationship stinks. However, 2x a month married sex is better than being a near incel, which a lot of beta males would be without a wife.

Few of my married friends have said anything about their sex lives to me. A non-married guy I know in an 8 year long relationship said a few years ago (2019, pre-pandemic) that boredom had set in and sex frequency had dropped. I don't know why he didn't leave then. My social circle had multiple marriages in 2017 so we're probably coming up on the boredom phase in the 2017 marriages.



The definition of married man is a man playing house. Relationships have a shelf life of goodness in most cases that is no more than 5 years. In a relationship, there are ways to slow down the time it takes for boredom to set in (not living together, not seeing each other nearly daily after 1.5-2 years, etc). Even still, it's difficult to keep the passion fires burning beyond 5 years.



Wow, you were about 18 then and you got an invitation to rail some dude's wife. Impressive! You did the right thing by getting too shiitfaced on alcohol, puking, and not doing the whole thing.



For those who don't know who @DEEZEDBRAH is talking about, here is Geoffrey Miller, PhD at University of New Mexico and professiorial cuck.

Gold bro. 1000%

Bro you just wrote the ugly truth of modern relationships. This timeline is unavoidable. It is why I am so cynical about long term relationships. Boredom is like the wall. It's undefeated. The women these days are not going to be able to stand for the boredom like our grandmother's era.

Javier Bardem states in the movie Vicky Christina Barcelona " only unrealized love can be romantic"
Or something like that.

After knowing this ugly truth it is impossible to fall in "love". Forget female nature. What you just stated was the real RedPill.

I was in bed the other night with a girl after having a long dry streak. This girl was so infatuated with me. I'm just looking at her thinking " one day this will end. You will no longer have these feelings". I guess you just have to enjoy it in the present moment.

 

[Epicenter]

Bro you speak truth. I recently smashed a girl that is facking a "bisexual" guy. This dude facks dudes so I consider him gay. I used a condom with her because I warned her of the HIV risk in his population. To be fair she also insisted on the condom.

This girl would be amazing if she wasn't doing this with him. The fact the she keeps justifying his behavior is a huge turn off for me.

I have gay friend who regularly facks women. I don't know why these guys don't pick a damn side. They are double dipping which greatly increased the risk of HIV. It's very selfish. I think these dudes just like holes. It doesn't matter what hole. I will never understand how you can be both attracted to men and women. They are opposite preferences that are mutually exclusive.

Obviously they are not mutually exclusive

Proof: reality

 

[AureliusMaximus]

Sharing is caring

Especially the STD's .. Ha ha ha

 

[SW15]

Bro you just wrote the ugly truth of modern relationships. This timeline is unavoidable. It is why I am so cynical about long term relationships. Boredom is like the wall. It's undefeated. The women these days are not going to be able to stand for the boredom like our grandmother's era.

After knowing this ugly truth it is impossible to fall in "love". Forget female nature. What you just stated was the real RedPill.

Yes, the timeline is unavoidable. Having a solid, more alpha frame can slow the boredom timeline in LTRs but it can't fully stop it. The shelf life of goodness in most romantic relationships is 5 years. Having a good quality relationships beyond the 5 year mark averaging sex 2x per week isn't all that common.

A lot of marrieds and people in LTRs like to point to the duration of their relationship as evidence that they're doing things right. This is a common practice after 5 years together. Relationship duration is often a meaningless statistic. A lot of these 5+ year relationships are low quality but a lot of these married and LTR people are good at hiding the fact that their primary relationships stink.

@Pandora -- You are I are both earlier Millennials, born in the first few years after the Millennial generation started in 1982. Our grandmothers were likely born somewhere between the late 1910s and early 1930s. Our grandmothers grew up in different eras and dated in different ways than the Millennial women we've dated. Millennial women do not tolerate boredom AT ALL. A lot of Millennial women have Boomer parents that got divorced in the 1990s once 1970s era no fault divorce was normalized.

Javier Bardem states in the movie Vicky Christina Barcelona " only unrealized love can be romantic"
Or something like that.

Vicky Cristina Barcelona was a good movie. I have not watched it in a long time. It came out in 2008 and I think I saw it in the early 2010s.

I was in bed the other night with a girl after having a long dry streak. This girl was so infatuated with me. I'm just looking at her thinking " one day this will end. You will no longer have these feelings". I guess you just have to enjoy it in the present moment.

Enjoy the present moment and think about nothing else.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This is the enlightened view. Women gonna cheat. Might as well accept it and be poly imo

Charge them for entry

 

[SW15]

I'm convinced they are phaggots in disguise. I don't comprehend how. Imagine being under 18 and a dude signals you to go in on his wife?

I was shocked and appalled. I would later learn it's pretty common.

There's a good chance a lot of the wives today have had an abortion, been in gang bangs or orgies. Even more common is cam whoring or actual whoring, escorting or blatant prostitution.

The longer she's not locked down, the higher the probability she's participated in a significant amount of the above if not all (to some extent or another).

I can't imagine being under 18 and getting an invitation to bang a wife in a couple in their 30s-50s.

I have banged a woman who has an abortion. I would say most men have banged women that have had an abortion, been in a gang bang, orgy, or done the whole poly/swinging thing.

True statement about the longer that a woman isn't locked down, the higher probability of things you listed. If you're dating a woman in her 30s and beyond, she has a high chance of having one of those things having happened to her. Definitely don't put a ring on that or play house with it.

Essentially women rope in dorks and switch off after kids.

The state is the enemy and the decimated nuclear family is a by product of the con that duped women into believing they don't need a man. Vote daddy government.

Women roping in dorks and switching off the sex after kids happens to men who are on the beta side. Since most men are beta males, this is commonplace.

The nuclear family has been decimated since 1970s 2nd wave feminism. The Millennial women in their 30s and turning 40 today were products of the 1990s/early 2000s divorces from the Boomers.

In the 1970s, young women were burning their bras and hearing that women need men as much as a fish needs a bicycle. These were the women that did still marry but got divorced in the 1990s, when their Millennial kids were young.

I don't disagree with you but dudes don't approach. We're a statistical anomaly. Fellas are awkward as ****kkk. I put more work in my sleep then your average male. Fellas don't source or think game is swipe right on attention *****s and low hanging fruit.

Fellas put no work in and settle for the village bicycle.

Most men are betas. These are the men fighting it out on the swipe apps. They aren't approaching girls on the street. At best, they were getting shiitfaced at bars/clubs and doing approaching while intoxicated. Most men don't have the guts to approach a woman in a non-bar venue without alcohol in their systems.

Mate, I watched fellas drop off early and mid 20s. At 30 it's a ghost town by end many former playboy's. I agree with Rollo. Most naturals are blue pill. I noticed that the best of the lot instinctively did their decaprio routine. Checked out wanting kids. I can count a handful that did it right. IE pulled top form smv 18-23 low bodies and girl went All In. They started a family. The better players dragged her along through her 20s early to late before a proposal. Got her best.

I've been having this happen with my friends too. The friends I have made since moving to my current city in the early 2010s are all playing house with women. Most have chosen to have a polyamorous relationship with the United States government by putting a ring on it, but even the unmarried ones in LTRs are living with their girlfriends. I've dared to be different and charted my own course.

Most never married, no kids men are social pariahs by their 30s and are on the fringes of couples dominated social circles.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Charge them for entry

I don’t get it