Why Are Men Shamed For Wanting A Relationship?

[Zimbabwe]

Does anyone else not think this is extremely weird? That Men are actively shamed if they show any intention of wanting to find a Girlfriend/Wife.

Men are called "desperate" and "needy" if they say they want a relationship, even though human beings are social creatures and it is perfectly normal to want a relationship. Not everybody wants to be alone or a player for the rest of their lives.

What do people expect men to do, if they cannot actively look for a relationship? I just find this whole thing really weird, why has society tried so hard to normalise shaming men for wanting a relationship?

I've noticed this phenomenon both online and off-line, but I have never seen anyone actually talk about it.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Does anyone else not think this is extremely weird? That Men are actively shamed if they show any intention of wanting to find a Girlfriend/Wife.

Men are called "desperate" and "needy" if they say they want a relationship, even though human beings are social creatures and it is perfectly normal to want a relationship. Not everybody wants to be alone or a player for the rest of their lives.

What do people expect men to do, if they cannot actively look for a relationship? I just find this whole thing really weird, why has society tried so hard to normalise shaming men for wanting a relationship?

I've noticed this phenomenon both online and off-line, but I have never seen anyone actually talk about it.

I haven’t noticed this.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

They aren’t lol

 

[Robert28]

Because as a man if you go into this dating climate looking/wanting a relationship you will get your head ripped off. Todays women don’t want to be courted, you can’t do that. Women are TRASH today, most are for the streets at best. Men are just warning you to forget the fantasies of wanting a relationship because this dating climate isn’t geared for that. I was once like that, I was a relationship guy all the way. Now I don’t want anything to do with one.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Because as a man if you go into this dating climate looking/wanting a relationship you will get your head ripped off. Todays women don’t want to be courted, you can’t do that. Women are TRASH today, most are for the streets at best. Men are just warning you to forget the fantasies of wanting a relationship because this dating climate isn’t geared for that. I was once like that, I was a relationship guy all the way. Now I don’t want anything to do with one.

Yeah, they are clubbing those fools who "court" them over the heads. Before you can be in a "relationship" you have to be successfully single. If you are successfully single some of the women are going to be trying to force you in a relationship. Depending upon her history and how she's treated your situation you can decide to allow a relationship at a later time.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Women like to win over an alpha. An alpha has options. Wanting a relationship is a female desire. Connect the dots

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Because as a man if you go into this dating climate looking/wanting a relationship you will get your head ripped off. Todays women don’t want to be courted, you can’t do that. Women are TRASH today, most are for the streets at best. Men are just warning you to forget the fantasies of wanting a relationship because this dating climate isn’t geared for that. I was once like that, I was a relationship guy all the way. Now I don’t want anything to do with one.

This is silly to denote every relationship as a lost cause because of a few failed relationships in your past.

 

[corrector]

Does anyone else not think this is extremely weird? That Men are actively shamed if they show any intention of wanting to find a Girlfriend/Wife.

Men are called "desperate" and "needy" if they say they want a relationship, even though human beings are social creatures and it is perfectly normal to want a relationship. Not everybody wants to be alone or a player for the rest of their lives.

What do people expect men to do, if they cannot actively look for a relationship? I just find this whole thing really weird, why has society tried so hard to normalise shaming men for wanting a relationship?

I've noticed this phenomenon both online and off-line, but I have never seen anyone actually talk about it.

You are just dealing with bad women.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Because as a man if you go into this dating climate looking/wanting a relationship you will get your head ripped off. Todays women don’t want to be courted, you can’t do that. Women are TRASH today, most are for the streets at best. Men are just warning you to forget the fantasies of wanting a relationship because this dating climate isn’t geared for that. I was once like that, I was a relationship guy all the way. Now I don’t want anything to do with one.

I would understand why the manosphere would want to "warn" men but why does the media go out of it's way to shame Men for wanting a "girlfriend" but at the same time condemn for supposedly being "afraid of commitment"?

Yeah, they are clubbing those fools who "court" them over the heads. Before you can be in a "relationship" you have to be successfully single. If you are successfully single some of the women are going to be trying to force you in a relationship. Depending upon her history and how she's treated your situation you can decide to allow a relationship at a later time.

So basically Women have to be the ones making us go into a relationship? For me I always date with the intention of it becoming a serious relationship so it's a bit hard for me to adjust my way of thinking.

You are just dealing with bad women.

Well there seems to be a serious abundance of bad women these days.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I would understand why the manosphere would want to "warn" men but why does the media go out of it's way to shame Men for wanting a "girlfriend" but at the same time condemn for supposedly being "afraid of commitment"?



So basically Women have to be the ones making us go into a relationship? For me I always date with the intention of it becoming a serious relationship so it's a bit hard for me to adjust my way of thinking.



Well there seems to be a serious abundance of bad women these days.

You won't have to adjust your thinking, the way they are doing things these days will. Wanting a relationship does not work in the last 10 years or so.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You are just dealing with bad women.

What's a "bad" woman? And what is a "bad" woman good for?

 

[kavi]

ANYTHING you do as a man that CAN be interpreted and desperate/needy will be. This is because women want to men to be EVALUATED and TESTED at every stage. You have to pass all her tests. Women do this as part of A MANIPULATION, they make themselves believe you are a needy so they can feel good about dismissing you and it takes away the focus from their own failings and bettering themselves.

Women bring barely anything into a relationship, they have zero game, cant initiate convos, cant even evaluate men properly, so they will take every opportunity to put the focus/test/evaluation on you to deflect from their own shortcomings.

Women today expect men to be PERFECT in every interaction and show zero 'weakness' because in their eyes their job is simply to be the prize and evaluate men.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

ANYTHING you do as a man that CAN be interpreted and desperate/needy will be. This is because women want to men to be EVALUATED and TESTED at every stage. You have to pass all her tests. Women do this as part of A MANIPULATION, they make themselves believe you are a needy so they can feel good about dismissing you and it takes away the focus from their own failings and bettering themselves.

Women bring barely anything into a relationship, they have zero game, cant initiate convos, cant even evaluate men properly, so they will take every opportunity to put the focus/test/evaluation on you to deflect from their own shortcomings.

Women today expect men to be PERFECT in every interaction and show zero 'weakness' because in their eyes their job is simply to be the prize and evaluate men.

And PUAs perpetuate this too. It’s always the man’s fault regardless of what the woman did or was. They tell you to go game a street rat and when she wisens up and cheats on you due to being a street rat by default, it was the man’s fault because he didn’t hold frame mane!

 

[SW15]

The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon - Chateau Heartiste Chateau Heartiste

If you adhere to the 16 Commandments of Poon, pushing for commitment before the woman does is a big no-no.

I don't think having the goal of an extended relationship and/or wife is a bad goal. It's not worth shaming someone and I don't perceived men are shamed for that goal. Think about this...most men are beta males. Most men are blue pilled, beta males pursuing extended relationships with women, most frequently leading to marriage. If the majority of men are doing something, it's not shamed.

 

[zinc4]

Does anyone else not think this is extremely weird? That Men are actively shamed if they show any intention of wanting to find a Girlfriend/Wife.

Men are called "desperate" and "needy" if they say they want a relationship, even though human beings are social creatures and it is perfectly normal to want a relationship. Not everybody wants to be alone or a player for the rest of their lives.

What do people expect men to do, if they cannot actively look for a relationship? I just find this whole thing really weird, why has society tried so hard to normalise shaming men for wanting a relationship?

I've noticed this phenomenon both online and off-line, but I have never seen anyone actually talk about it.

It's a PUA community thing man. If you have true confidence and arent scared of losing a woman who has an issue with it then you can do whatever tf you want man. If she starts showing lower interest because of it then start sexting other women and dump her ass.

Ideally she should be the one asking you for the relationship though. But nothing wrong with going in with intentions of a possible relationship imo.

 

[corrector]

What's a "bad" woman? And what is a "bad" woman good for?

The type of damaged goods described here. This is an age old criticism of red pill pua tricks since the mid 00s. Cheap gimmics tend to work on low quality women.

At the end of the day, people like the OP want good women to have a relationship with even if it means looking in churches.

 

[corrector]

If you are second base with a girl I thought that was relationship. These things go by behaviour and how she is with you and how she is with other guys and then you put 2 and 2 together. Relationship talk is a buzz kill since words dont mean anything unlesd its backed by action.

 

[Robert28]

This is silly to denote every relationship as a lost cause because of a few failed relationships in your past.

Most relationships fail because of women, not because of the man. See divorce rates for an example. Women can’t do long term relationships in this day and age. Hypergamy is too rampant.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

90% of my relationships have been the girl pressing, not I. I’m happy in or out of a relationship. Women all seem to want one (unless they’re just looking to get dvcked down, which is not unusual).

 

[Velasco]

I think u mean exclusive. Why would u, as a man, want to be exclusive with one chick if your not planning on starting a family with her?