Getting Jacked/Ripped Doesn't Help You Get Laid

[allergictobs]

I'd say I'm easily in top 1% shape for men my age. I can often spot women looking at me and a few have even commented on my physique, but being in shape has not solved my dating problems or helped me get laid.

Sure, being in shape can help you not get rejected at first sight, but attracting a woman is, I've learned, much more about how you make her feel than how you look.

Taking a look at my group of friends and colleagues who are married or in a LTR, the hottest women have not chosen the guys with the best physiques. Not at all. The common thing all these men share seems to be success in life (career and wealth) and, more importantly, excellent social skills. These guys are genuinely easy-going and fun the be around.

And this has not just been the case in my 30s, I made pretty much the same observation in my 20s as well. The guy who is fun to be around gets the top women.

 

[Blacksheep]

First of all, forget about the straw man arguments. Yes, being physically fit will help compared to being a fat slob who is 100 pounds overweight, or compared to a troll living under a bridge pushing around a shopping cart full of stolen items from dumpster diving.

Consider a more realistic comparison. Will a jacked/ripped guy fare better in dating compared to a man of average or slightly above average athletic fitness?

As a reference point, in my profession (and occasionally in social circles), I've met quite a few Div. 1 athletes in elite high profile sports programs. I've also met a number of pro athletes, and a shockingly large percentage in both groups don't have girlfriends and have moderate success at best in dating.

Even in pro sports, most teams are in less glamorous markets such as Kansas City or Oklahoma City or Milwaukee where there are few if any opportunities to exploit a "groupies scene." Not to mention probably 95% of college athletes are in low profile schools most people have never heard of.

When these guys walk around on campus, 95% of the time, they are completely anonymous. The students you see cheering their heads off at games are more interested in partying and getting drunk with friends and have absolutely no clue who the players actually are. The tailgating before games and bar crawls after are the biggest draws, not the players themselves.

If elite D1 athletes who are the best athletes of their age group can walk around in total anonymity close to 100% of the time, and if only a few dozen professional athletes regardless of sports are actually recognizable, then how are they being magically out gamed by some anonymous random muscle-head schmuck on so suave?

I've seen recently retired pro athletes who are household names out in clubs, as well as hall of famers, and all they can attract are random women with boyfriends who only want a photo before walking off without so much as a thank you.

Don't be an idiot. Getting jacked/ripped isn't a magic formula for getting instant lays. It's just some random horsesh-t by a sosuaver desperate for virtual 'likes.'

Talking about my life experience:

I was very fat until my 17yrs. That period I never had any girl attracted to me. Also no sex, kiss or dates.

When I got in shape I dated some of the most hot women in my town. They literally came to me without effort. But I also had a band (later on deejay) and I was not bad talking with girls. Negative point: none of them were worth to LTR, just women who came at me because they felt attracted by my physical.

Those last years Ive became overweight again with depression and some problems. Most of those girls went away. At first I felt sad, but now Im so glad they went away, cause I only waste my time with those kind of person.

My conclusion to this: your body matters to people who looks for it. If you want something different, like connection... Maybe this wont matter at all, so I agree with you in that context.

As I get older I see that all that chase we had on our young age could be wasted on better ways. Its not wise to chase a good physique only to fck women, and here may be where most of guys felt trapped. Also women chasing the perfect body.

Its good to hook a hot women, but its only that. A short term pleasure.

 

[Rainman4707]

If a man is ripped...women gush.
I remember calling at my girlfriends one night. For some reason that night my six pack was visible. As soon as she seen it her eyes widened and she said "lets go upstairs to ****" which was very unlike her. She stripped naked and bent over begging me to **** her.

I still think i guy who has really good game trumps a guy who has a ripped body though.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I was at a meet up with some people the other day. Because of my muscles, I had an instant in with the girls there. Their eyes kept looking at my face and body, and they could not help coming over and speaking to me. I was the best looking guy in the room, so it was like shooting fish in a barrel honestly. I was the cool guy based entirely on being the fit one. Being fit is more than just about having good fitness, it means you have a healthy mind and have some form of status simply based off having the intelligence and willpower to be physically structured for survival. That alone will trump any senses inside a woman's head at any time. Athletes are one of the dumbest pool of humans. They are not meant to be considered for examples. They just know how to throw balls, run, and convince their coaches to ask for passing grades on skipped classes. They are incredibly stupid.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I'm currently watching this show called love island , it's utter trash but interesting to see the dynamics between contestants it's also really popular in the UK

There is a chad on there called brad , he has absolutely no game and little intelligence or wit a dangerous combination when dealing with women

he is however stacked and very good looking ( no homo )

he was literally telling this girl he practically loved her a day after meeting her

The chick is maybe a HB 7.5 / 8 ......... she's actively told one of the other girls she's bored of him already yet he's so good looking so will just hang around

I doubt they will lasts on the outside but for appearances on the show at least she is pretending to be interested maybe she just wants secks im not sure yet

However i can promise you now if this guy wasn't jacked or good looking he wouldn't have lasted 5 mins with her

So yes being jacked / ripped will hold the door open for you but you still need to mentally dominate her or you've had it

 

[oc16]

I have no idea how things are for college age guys but among the over 30 crowd being really fit absolutely makes a huge difference. Thing is that 90% of guys let themselves go in their 20s so by the time they are in their 30s (or older) they look like crap. Lots more attractive middle aged women than there are men. If you want to immediately move to the top of the heap having a great body is perhaps the quickest way to get there. Doesn't guaranteed anything obviously but other than making a ton of money, which is tough for most guys, its the easiest way to move from a 5 to an 8 in the eyes of women.

Very True. I'm 44 and in shape and My mind is blown away about how many out of shape guys there are who are 30+. It's like 50%!

 

[characternote]

I don't have a great deal of experience with this so tend to keep my nose out if I don't have lots of first hand experience. I've never been in amazing shape. And I can't think of any friends who are legit ripped. My chad friend is in good shape (Godly genetics. Doesn't even lift weights but sure as hell looks like he does!) BUT I know it's his face that gets him the girls (looks like a mix of every handsome actor I can think of lol)

All i'd say is that being ripped is an element of looks and so would presumably help out at least a little bit, although certainly no magic bullet.

I have no idea how things are for college age guys but among the over 30 crowd being really fit absolutely makes a huge difference.

This reminds me of when I was VERY young before I'd even hit puberty, and I remember someone telling me 'muscles will get you older women. Young girls just want a handsome face, older women want a handsome face too of course, but muscles and general masculinity (and money) carry more weight with older women

 

[HaleyBaron]

Bc you're tall and/or handsome. Then, it doesn't make a huge difference at all. It makes a difference when you are at the margin.

I would never advise my 6'6 friends to waste the hours in the gym it takes to really improve your look because they have absolutely zero need for it.

Men at that height definitely should get muscle. It's one thing to be tall and lanky. It's a very different dynamic to be tall and built. You become the greatest thing in the room fast. Girls melt over you simply cause you have such a contrast.

 

[characternote]

I'm currently watching this show called love island , it's utter trash but interesting to see the dynamics between contestants it's also really popular in the UK

There is a chad on there called brad , he has absolutely no game and little intelligence or wit a dangerous combination when dealing with women

he is however stacked and very good looking ( no homo )

he was literally telling this girl he practically loved her a day after meeting her

The chick is maybe a HB 7.5 / 8 ......... she's actively told one of the other girls she's bored of him already yet he's so good looking so will just hang around

I doubt they will lasts on the outside but for appearances on the show at least she is pretending to be interested maybe she just wants secks im not sure yet

However i can promise you now if this guy wasn't jacked or good looking he wouldn't have lasted 5 mins with her

So yes being jacked / ripped will hold the door open for you but you still need to mentally dominate her or you've had it

Love Island is funny.
I'm not actually watching this season although I know who you mean.
(i like that new girl Lucinda. She lives near me and i'm almost certain i've approached her lmao. She used to date a footballer who cheated on her)

TikTok - Make Your Day

Yeah, you always see a complete lack of game - yet these dudes have generally all banged literally hundreds of girls before going in the house. You often see the weakest game. It's kinda funny. (either guys massively failing any sort of **** test, or being super needy and declaring their love etc). There's been a few with 'game' though. Usually from the older seasons. And Adam the chad from a few years ago was funny

Before it got semi scripted it was way more interesting since it was so real. Genuine social dynamics. A bit like how it's amazing to watch really old seasons of UK big brother. Like really old ones before social media was even really a thin, and they weren't trying to be influencers and get famous and stuff and they weren't so media savvy etc.

 

[Kotaix]

A fat slob isn't going to get "oh my god..." when he takes off his shirt. I get that when I'm in shape, and I never get that when I'm not. Being fit definitely made women more attracted to me. I even noticed the gym manager checking me out after she had ignored me for six months. But it's not necessarily to do with actually being fit that makes you attractive, it's the mental change it has when you put in hard work and you see the results from it. You could do the same thing in business and get the same results if it means that you're confident

Attraction is about the energy of confidence that you can project and your own mentality, it's not just about having muscles. A beta is still beta no matter what he looks like, and there is NO magic activity that you can do that will make you attractive to 100% of women.

Getting ripped may not make a difference in how many women you bed, but it IS going to make a difference in you not needing a triple bypass surgery.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Getting ripped may not make a difference in how many women you bed, but it IS going to make a difference in you not needing a triple bypass surgery.

This is false. You don't need to be ripped to be healthy. You just have to not be obese and have healthy cholesterol levels.

Skinny people don't have unhealthy hearts.

If you're taking in lots of protein that also comes with saturated fats (red meats), then your heart will not be healthy.

 

[HaleyBaron]

If you're taking in lots of protein that also comes with saturated fats (red meats), then your heart will not be healthy.

False, false, ever loving false. Weightlifters that eat a lot of red meat have lived to 90 years old. Heart disease comes from other unhealthy habits, which inflates statistics. Here in Texas, I see a lot of fat people who eat macaroni with cheese, okra, and fatty meats with their briskets, which includes sausages. They skip the salads everytime. Red meat is not unhealthy. In fact, it is far more healthy than anything you can eat. Even natives ate cow and they lived very long lives.

Red meat attributes to increased intelligence and physical performance, which is anti-feminist in all aspects. Men who eat red meat tend to be more independent and dominant, which scares the entire female society, thus studies that it's bad. So now men are eating chicken and fish, sometimes going vegan, depriving themselves of the most valuable protein on the planet. All because some vague scientist and feminist article said otherwise.

Protip: those same researchers that said red meat is bad are likely eating a steak everyday.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

False, false, ever loving false. Weightlifters that eat a lot of red meat have lived to 90 years old. Heart disease comes from other unhealthy habits, which inflates statistics. Here in Texas, I see a lot of fat people who eat macaroni with cheese, okra, and fatty meats with their briskets, which includes sausages. They skip the salads everytime. Red meat is not unhealthy. In fact, it is far more healthy than anything you can eat. Even natives ate cow and they lived very long lives.

Red meat attributes to increased intelligence and physical performance, which is anti-feminist in all aspects. Men who eat red meat tend to be more independent and dominant, which scares the entire female society, thus studies that it's bad. So now men are eating chicken and fish, sometimes going vegan, depriving themselves of the most valuable protein on the planet. All because some vague scientist and feminist article said otherwise.

Protip: those same researchers that said red meat is bad are likely eating a steak everyday.

Of the foods you listed, cheese has saturated fat, so do the fatty meats and sausage. And maybe even the okra depending if it's cooked in anything.

I know how cholesterol works and how arteries work. I'm going to listen to cardiologists over you.

And regardless, having large muscles has nothing to do with having healthy arteries.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Of the foods you listed, cheese has saturated fat, so do the fatty meats and sausage. And maybe even the okra depending if it's cooked in anything.

I know how cholesterol works and how arteries work. I'm going to listen to cardiologists over you.

And regardless, having large muscles has nothing to do with having healthy arteries.

Okay then, you started this fight, not me. I usually hate healthline, but they sometimes have good analysises. I get most of my information from weightlifters who know how to eat healthily and retain nutrition. What I learned from them lines up with what this article says. Since I improved my diet, which includes red meat, my heart and other functions have never felt better.

Does Red Meat Have Health Benefits? A Look at the Science

Many people believe red meat can harm your health. Here are the health effects of red meat, including possible benefits and downsides of adding it to your diet.

www.healthline.com

Heart Disease, Diabetes and Death

The effects of red meat on health have been well studied.
However, most of these studies are so-called observational studies, which are designed to detect associations but cannot prove causation.
Several observational studies show that red meat is associated with a greater risk of cardiovascular disease, cancer and death (9Trusted Source).
Nevertheless, not all red meat has the same health effects.
A massive review of 20 studies including 1,218,380 individuals found that processed meat was associated with an increased risk of heart disease and diabetes. However, no association was found for unprocessed red meat (10Trusted Source).
In the EPIC study, a very large observational study including 448,568 people, processed meat increased the risk of death, while no effect was seen for unprocessed red meat (11Trusted Source).
When it comes to an increased risk of heart disease, diabetes and death, it’s crucial to distinguish between processed and unprocessed meat, as the two can have vastly different effects.
The observational studies seem to agree that processed meat (not unprocessed red meat) is associated with an increased risk of an early death and many diseases.
But even so, it’s important to keep in mind that these studies have limitations. It’s impossible to draw strong conclusions from observational studies.
The only way to establish cause and effect is to perform randomized controlled trials.

 

[Kotaix]

This is false. You don't need to be ripped to be healthy. You just have to not be obese and have healthy cholesterol levels.

Skinny people don't have unhealthy hearts.

If you're taking in lots of protein that also comes with saturated fats (red meats), then your heart will not be healthy.

You don't need to be ripped, but you do need to be fit and put in the work. There are plenty of people with genetic predispositions to high cholesterol that WILL have problems even if they're skinny. I'm one of them.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Okay then, you started this fight, not me. I usually hate healthline, but they sometimes have good analysises. I get most of my information from weightlifters who know how to eat healthily and retain nutrition. What I learned from them lines up with what this article says. Since I improved my diet, which includes red meat, my heart and other functions have never felt better.

Does Red Meat Have Health Benefits? A Look at the Science

Many people believe red meat can harm your health. Here are the health effects of red meat, including possible benefits and downsides of adding it to your diet.

www.healthline.com

Ok. You get your heart health advice from weightlifters. I get mine from cardiologists. Have fun.

And a lot has to do with genetics also.

I never said red meat was the WORST THING there is, but all other things being equal... A heart will be healthier eating fish and chicken as opposed to beef and pork.

Smoking is probably the worst thing honestly, and genetics next.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

You don't need to be ripped, but you do need to be fit and put in the work. There are plenty of people with genetic predispositions to high cholesterol that WILL have problems even if they're skinny. I'm one of them.

"Being fit" is a normal state.

I think this fact is lost because we live in an obesity epidemic.

A jacked guy is no more healthy than a skinny guy. But both are superior to an overweight person.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Ok. You get your heart health advice from weightlifters. I get mine from cardiologists. Have fun.

And a lot has to do with genetics also.

I never said red meat was the WORST THING there is, but all other things being equal... A heart will be healthier eating fish and chicken as opposed to beef and pork.

Smoking is probably the worst thing honestly, and genetics next.

Cardiologists aren't special. Stop treating them as such. You put doctors on too high of a pedestal. They aren't all that smart. There's smarter people than them. Just because they work on hearts doesn't make them the only capable people on health in the world. Your world view is narrowed in this regard. I suspect you see other doctors in the same light.

Genetics has nothing to do with red meat.

A heart will be less working with fish and chicken. Red meat gives far more nutrition. Health disease comes from other things. Has nothing to do with red meat itself.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Cardiologists aren't special. Stop treating them as such. You put doctors on too high of a pedestal. They aren't all that smart. There's smarter people than them. Just because they work on hearts doesn't make them the only capable people on health in the world. Your world view is narrowed in this regard. I suspect you see other doctors in the same light.

Genetics has nothing to do with red meat.

A heart will be less working with fish and chicken. Red meat gives far more nutrition. Health disease comes from other things. Has nothing to do with red meat itself.

You're right... Cardiologists don't know anything about hearts lol.

 

[HaleyBaron]

You're right... Cardiologists don't know anything about hearts lol.

Whatever cardiologists you are listening to, they don't know anything about causation. They only look at the stats but can care less why it was caused. As I said before, whoever you are reading is either ignorant (which proves my point of most doctors being dumb outside their profession), or they are being paid to downplay the effects of red meat for an agenda.