Everyone Should Read This Thread

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

When I left here like maybe a month ago, i came back briefly to create a thread about how shaving my head was a good idea, it was just a thread I created in passing, but even at that time and before, the forum was not very active, never had more than maybe 15 posters on at a time, was pretty quiet.

Since I have returned, I have noticed a very sharp uptick in activity on the forum, I don't think I have ever saw close to 50 members being on at a single time in the entire time I've been here; I'm not complaining either, it's great to have more members.

However, with this sharp uptick on activity has come the rise of basic questions, questions that nobody who calls themselves a player or even in the game should ever be asking... Why? Because the DJ Bible exists to cover these questions, like seriously 3/4 of the active threads right now are answered in the DJ Bible. Furthermore, in these unnecessary threads, there are people pushing back on ideas that the vast majority of the forum have come to agree on.

For example: Should I approach women at the gym? YOU SHOULD BE APPROACHING EVERYWHERE YOU GO, WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION BEING ASKED? Why? Because the people asking have unresolved approach anxiety and its obvious to everyone, yet these same posters attempt to defend themselves as if the entire forum is not aware of the issue, as if all of us were born last night and frankly, I find it an assault against my intelligence and a blow to the credibility of the forum as a whole... Resolving approach anxiety is gone through extensively in the DJ Bible, yet we have posters here trying to give advice when they do not understand the basics, have not bothered to even glance through the DJ Bible.

Originally, in my older threads, I was providing pushback against some of the concepts in the DJ Bible, stating that we were going in the wrong direction, playing this game where we manipulate women but live by this code where we don't manipulate women, because of this, many of the more advanced manipulation techniques become things we are not willing to accept, but we are subjected to them all the same

In my pushing back of the DJ Bible, I did not intend to have newer posters turn away from it, this was not my intention, the DJ Bible is just that, a Bible for newer players. It should be viewed as such.

I just wanted to communicate to everyone, if you have not read the DJ Bible, it is obvious you have not read it to the people that have, please stop trying to give advice when you don't even understand the basics because this misinformation is cumulative for the newer posters.

Why is this misinformation a problem? Because the newer generations are lacking in social skills due to isolation, I don't call these people incels or anything because I understand how powerful screen time is, every second you are looking at a screen, you are getting a dopamine release, when you get positive engagement, a like for example, it can provide a bit of a high, it is a very powerful thing and younger men are being trapped in the screen time and engagement feedback cycle because building social skills does not provide that same dopamine feedback except for sex obviously but before sex you have to resolve your approach anxiety to even start building social skills and that is hard, meanwhile screen time is easy.

If you are struggling with women, the worst you can do is spend more time on the forum, the best thing you can do is read the DJ Bible and apply its contents into your life and do the hard work... No amount of videos, no amount of reading, even the DJ Bible itself, all of this is a waste of time if you are not approaching and applying the knowledge. It's hard, it's never been harder when you have an option to easily get your dopamine rush from something other than sex, sure it's not the same but most seem to find it worth settling for when sex isn't an option because the hard work isn't getting done.

No poster wants to sit here and engage with you on basic information, it's just silly, I would like to have conversations on evolving this ****, but we can't do that when people who disagree with the fundamentals are going to insert themselves into the equation, I mean you might not agree with some of my approaches like philosophy or manipulation, I don't care about that because at least we can agree on the basics and if we can do that, the conversations will evolve on their own over time, but when we can't even agree on the basics, like that is totally contrary to what I know So Suave as, it is not a welcome change to me, these people need to read the Bible and apply it, see the results themselves before they start spouting out their personal anecdotes about how were all wrong and they aren't in denial and we were all born last night.

What I'm asking, is for y'all to step it up.

Mods, if we have a guy trolling posters all day and contributing nothing, why is this person here? I'd like to be able to have a serious conversation about game without the input of some guy who just spends all day on a forum, wouldn't you? Like it's mind boggling to me that I have to even bring this up, let alone the fact that half the mods regularly set this behavior precedent themselves by insulting posters in the past and now we all need to live with the consequences of that, or else your saw as a hypocrite, like that is supremely annoying to me.

Also, I never mentioned purpose in this rant even once *backpat*

 

[RickTheToad]

With a lot of new members we have a lot of the same questions over and over again. Thus, I posted the recommended reading list. I'm thinking of seeing if we can add FAQ as well.

 

[lost_blackbird]

What bible?

 

[zekko]

For example: Should I approach women at the gym? YOU SHOULD BE APPROACHING EVERYWHERE YOU GO, WHY IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION BEING ASKED? Why? Because the people asking have unresolved approach anxiety and its obvious to everyone, yet these same posters attempt to defend themselves as if the entire forum is not aware of the issue

Be that as it may, there is a legitimate school of thought that you are in the gym to work, not to be distracted with women. Even if you finish a workout, and then go pick up another member or the girl behind the desk, you are risking bringing chick drama into your gym environment. It's sort of like how some people are against picking up women at work, because your mind should be on making money and doing business then (depends on the job, of course).

I've noticed another school of thought that has crept in on the forums, and that is the idea that you should never give a woman any attention or validation whatsoever. People who espouse this idea think that women are getting too much validation already through social media, and they also think that when a woman is interested in a guy, she will approach him. In fact, some guys here seem to think that if you show any interest in a woman whatsoever, it will kill all her interest, because she only wants guys who DGAF about her.

 

[Old Balls]

I agree for the most part. However, being a new member, I think that interaction(s) via a running conversation(s) can really help some guys think things through in a way that reading someone else's posts can't provide. In a way each issue someone may be facing is slightly different in some way than someone else's. Plus, I think the interactions with the community can be good for some people.

Now if someone doesn't want to waste their time with the newbies or on a re-hashed issue, then don't. Maybe if a poster sees that there is no interest in what he has to say/ask then maybe this will drive them to dig into the endless abyss of someone else's postings.

I'm not advocating for ignorance of the valuable information already written, but the forum should be an interactive platform IMHO where things can be discussed real time if need be. Differing POV's from members that are active today may strike new chords than those from x years ago, and this can be helpful I think.

At any rate, I'm glad I found SS.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Be that as it may, there is a legitimate school of thought that you are in the gym to work, not to be distracted with women. Even if you finish a workout, and then go pick up another member or the girl behind the desk, you are risking bringing chick drama into your gym environment. It's sort of like how some people are against picking up women at work, because your mind should be on making money and doing business then (depends on the job, of course).

I've noticed another school of thought that has crept in on the forums, and that is the idea that you should never give a woman any attention or validation whatsoever. People who espouse this idea think that women are getting too much validation already through social media, and they also think that when a woman is interested in a guy, she will approach him. In fact, some guys here seem to think that if you show any interest in a woman whatsoever, it will kill all her interest, because she only wants guys who DGAF about her.

The thing is, it seems to me newer posters think that I'm like trying to get over on them by saying "you should be on your purpose" because it's literally applicable to all aspects of game, being unavailable is just, like this is what I'm talking about, nobody gives pushback on being unavailable here except newer posters, it's a powerful thing, yet without application just people saying "Be on your purpose" it doesn't mean anything to them, they haven't had the opportunity to see the results of being unavailable.

Of course, giving no validation at all, again, is just feeding more into the unavailability than necessary... Like again, not many are gonna debate on the usefulness of validation, I would say 70% of the whole conversation of game is navigating when to be unavailable and when to validate, but if you never apply this, how can you know.

Im glad you brought it up but I did not mention that for the reason that even that is too advanced, I don't want to be negative and comment on that further, but I know what you are saying and you are not wrong, it's just not the thread for that, if they read the DJ Bible they will come to these conclusions themselves, but we can't offer that conclusion prematurely, even though that is basically all that I talk about here.

 

[SargeMaximus]

The thing is, it seems to me newer posters think that I'm like trying to get over on them by saying "you should be on your purpose" because it's literally applicable to all aspects of game, being unavailable is just, like this is what I'm talking about, nobody gives pushback on being unavailable here except newer posters, it's a powerful thing, yet without application just people saying "Be on your purpose" it doesn't mean anything to them, they haven't had the opportunity to see the results of being unavailable.

Of course, giving no validation at all, again, is just feeding more into the unavailability than necessary... Like again, not many are gonna debate on the usefulness of validation, I would say 70% of the whole conversation of game is navigating when to be unavailable and when to validate, but if you never apply this, how can you know.

Im glad you brought it up but I did not mention that for the reason that even that is too advanced, I don't want to be negative and comment on that further, but I know what you are saying and you are not wrong, it's just not the thread for that, if they read the DJ Bible they will come to these conclusions themselves, but we can't offer that conclusion prematurely, even though that is basically all that I talk about here.

being on your purpose doesn’t work. I been on my purpose for years yet no women of the quality I want consistently.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

being on your purpose doesn’t work. I been on my purpose for years yet no women of the quality I want consistently.

What you just said does not make sense in context to how we speak on purpose on the forum, it makes no sense. You do not find women through your purpose, your purpose is used to be unavailable to the women that you already know... If you are chasing women through your purpose, that defeats the entire point wholly of having a purpose and I'm not surprised these are the results your getting, nobody here is, we have all been there.

 

[Murk]

I'll hold my hands up and say I've never read the DJ Bible.

Also newbie questions get a lot of engagement due to the fact we are social creatures, believe it or not, people like helping and responding to newbie questions and engaging in conversation on a forum, regardless if, in your opinion, the thread is unworthy.

Was it BigDave? The best balding car salesmen who was 5'6 and wanted an Armenian wife? Would post the same **** and get 20 page threads lol, yes he was trolling but it was fun and engaging. Maybe he's banned now, I missed a lot of gossip on the forum including the well know poster whose girlfriend found it and forced him to quit, he's lucky I forgot his screen name as not doubt she's refreshing this site for any mention haha!

There are no cast-iron rules here, only opinions. I agree with @zekko and let's not forget, the majority, ideas like democracy, doesn't make it factual/correct. It could be a bunch of heartbroken sheep, peddling black pill nonsense (I see that a lot here) when what they really need is real-life experience.

This forum is too black and white when that is never the case when dealing with human emotion, you haven't cracked the code, one size doesn't fit all.

 

[SargeMaximus]

What you just said does not make sense in context to how we speak on purpose on the forum, it makes no sense. You do not find women through your purpose, your purpose is used to be unavailable to the women that you already know... If you are chasing women through your purpose, that defeats the entire point wholly of having a purpose and I'm not surprised these are the results your getting, nobody here is, we have all been there.

Yes well the point is, even being on my purpose, I haven’t gotten the kinds of women I want. I’m not using it to get women. But it hardly helps if that is ones goal. Which I believe is the whole point of this forum and the DJ bible

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

The "be on your purpose" thing doesn't really applies to dating. Some guys have no purpose at all in life and bang hot chicks all the time, some other spend their whole life trying to do something nice with their life and don't get pvssy at all.
Dating and "purpose" are 2 different things. I agree that every man should be on his purpose, but it won't bring girls. Getting hot girls on a regular basis is having skill and not be afraid to approach, if you're on purpose, good, if not, it doesn't change anything. Being a your purpose is just a plus in terms of attracting women, nothing more.

I never said it had anything to do with dating, like read it again, youve given a response to a narrative nobody has made.

 

[SargeMaximus]

I never said it had anything to do with dating, like read it again, youve given a response to a narrative nobody has made.

Then it seems irrelevant to this forum tbh

 

[Velasco]

Isnt it "be on your purpose and women will come"?

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Yes well the point is, even being on my purpose, I haven’t gotten the kinds of women I want. I’m not using it to get women. But it hardly helps if that is ones goal. Which I believe is the whole point of this forum and the DJ bible

You shouldn't be talking about purpose when you are not Implementing the information found in the DJ Bible, as I have already stated, we have posters who are trying to contradict without even understanding the basics, purpose is beyond you right now and that's fine, but you do not have the information or experience right now to understand why it is so important... Like, if you are not going to do the hardwork, having a purpose is pointless. This is why I never brought up purpose in the first place.

 

[RangerMIke]

In my opinion this should be required reading in order:

(1) Book of Pook and/or The Rational Male. - (preferable both) This give you a baseline on what is reality. These are a bit more philosophical, but they do a good job of explaining male/female behavior and the consequences of ignoring reality. Recommend reading both. Once you have an understanding of what is REALLY going on you can move onto applying what you have learned.

(2) DJ Bible: This is a great link between the theoretical and philosophical to practical execution. The underlying theme of the DJ Bible is to STOP pretending to be something else and how to shape your mindset and life to be more interesting and attractive. Many don't like it because it isn't a magic pill.

(3) No More Mister Nice Guy: Since many men that have had trouble with inferiority and operate until the illusion that being a supplicating piece of sh1t, is a legitimate way to get chicks to like you. This is a great guide that provides some actionable objective steps to break you of this bad habit.

(4) The System: There is a lot of stuff out there that gives advice on dating and dealing with women. But ALL of the really good books and approaches have at it's core, stuff Tom Hodges identified decades ago. Read this with the understanding that Doc Love wrote in this guide it was mostly 'dating with a purpose' for men, and the purpose is finding a relationship. If you are not interested in a relationship, this is a great book for you. If you aren't, it is still very useful because he is 100% correct on what really attracts women, what turns them off, and how not to get sucked into of sh1t show of a situation where you are busting you @ss trying to keep some low-interest chick interested as she uses the fvck out of you.

After that, well keep reading... I would recommend a number of book completely unrelated to dating that will improve you life and interpersonal relations. How to Win Friends and Influence People, What Every Body is Saying: An ex-FBI Agent's Guide to Speed Reading People. Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. et al ad infinitum.

The bottom line is the women are human beings, and they respond favorably to really the same things we do, the only real difference is that when it comes to sexual attraction, they are different from men. But generally, if you can interrelate well with people in general, you will do fine with women. The problem is that to many me think of chicks like magical creatures that have to be figured out. The simple truth is that women are VERY easy to read, and infinitely more predictable than men, the only problem with dudes trying to get them is that we let our egos get in the way of understanding what is happening and what they are communicating to us.


https://www.amazon.com/What-Every-Body-Saying-Speed-Reading/dp/0061438294/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=how+to+read+body+language&qid=1622218955&sr=8-3

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

See, like this is what I'm saying, we have people trying to talk about advanced game who don't understand the basics, like what is the point of having a purpose if you have no social skills? Anyone?

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Isnt it "be on your purpose and women will come"?

Yes, because your supposed to have read the DJ Bible before posting.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Then it seems irrelevant to this forum tbh

Thank you for proving my point, this is the problem right here, anyone who thinks purpose is not relevant has not read the DJ Bible at all

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

You guys are making way harder than it has to be, you read and implement, that's it, don't talk to me about purpose when you sit behind a computer screen all day

 

[corrector]

Most of the must-read content was made before APPS/social media/ONLYFANS and before PUA became heavily discredited and demonized making all of the content feel dated and not up with the times. Unless there is new content for the pandemic/post-pandemic/social media/APP day and age today, then people should be excused for not reading this material before making threads to the extent that modern technology and cultural trends have upended all of the previous social constructs.

Black-pill threads at least acknowledge this fact and feel the dating market is skewed to a point that the looks vs game argument appears to be settled. If you get high-interest woman, then she likes you despite your game because she's attracted to your looks and you can do no wrong. If you get rejected, or ignored, then no matter what game you run it won't work on her because she knows what she's worth and how many options she has via social media and dating apps. This spills even into real life and affects everything including cold approaches. The issue is there doesn't feel like there is that much middle ground where most of the focus used to be converting a low-interest hb 8+ because that doesn't seem realistic anymore.