1 - Women got everything yet still want marriage (being a non virgin) where the man is legally, financially, and morally committed. What did they give up?
Women gave up their true feminine nature. By entering the workforce, women started to mimic men. They also didn't do a lot of the blue collar jobs that men do. They did more the BA/BS degree + requiring, white collar jobs. Men who graduate college and pursue white collar careers have suffered due to women being in the workforce. Additionally, with factories being offshored, a lot more of the economy is knowledge-based and white collar. A lot of the white collar work environment is now a feminist's wet dream and a hornet's nest for masculine men. Women who opt to pursue careers also gave up spending time with their children, which is a part of their feminine nature. My mom quit her job when I was a toddler because she realized she was missing a lot of my childhood and didn't want to do that despite having lived inside an early generation feminist frame in the 1970s/early 1980s. She didn't return to the workforce until 10+ years later when my parents divorced.
2 -Being that way, why do you guys want to get married?
I don't want to get married at this point. I see too much downside in it. There were times where I saw myself getting married as a general concept but was never close to implementing it in any relationship.
- Is It just for kids? You don’t need marriage for kids. Women can have sex when and where they wish.
No, marriage is not needed for kids. However, kids benefit from a stable home with two parents and two parents active in their children's lives. My parents did not divorce until I was in high school and ~85% of the way towards being an adult. I have had issues in my life due to my father not being active in my life before the divorce though he did provide financial support until the divorce. My parents' divorce was acrimonious and my relationship with my father ceased at that point. I would have benefitted in some ways from having a more stable 2 parent household. However, I am concerned that I would have been more blue pilled as an adult if that had happened. Being blue pilled would have been bad. My cousins on my mom's side had parents that remained together throughout their lives and both experienced divorces as adults in 2010s while dating Millennial women.
Since the 1990s, the calculation that men have had to make about kids is a bad one. It's more likely than not that if you have kids with a woman, you and that woman will not be a couple by the time the first child turns 18.
- Is it for stable household? I know several cases where parents stayed together and there was child abuse and much much worse.
I did touch upon the stable household element. No way should parents stay together if there's child abuse. The child must be removed from that monster parents.
- Is it for consistent sex? Sex is easy to come by now, almost too easy. Any man who puts in 50% effort can get it.
You are overrating access to sex. Most men are betas. Most men get into relationships for the sex. The typical beta only gets sex in a relationship. He has long dry spells between relationships. He's not good at approaching. If he's Millennial/Gen Z, he's likely scavenging for vagina on swipe apps, trying to stand out in an ocean of penis. A lot of betas cave in to women and put a ring on it to keep the woman in place and keep the vaginal flow going rather than face the fear of extended dry spells containing unpleasant cold approaches, extensive swiping with mostly waste of time dates (if any dates), etc.
- Is it to fit in? This is only reason I can think of.
Many men feel this way. There is a time between 25-34 for most men when they see others in their social circles getting married. They begin to wonder why they aren't married when they see the flurry of marriages and babies. I've seen guys who were even good at getting one night stands cave in to their girlfriend of that time during the flurry of weddings in the social circle time in life and then get married.
Also, as I have gotten deeper into my 30s, there have been times I've received compliments from men 45-60 for pursuing the never married, childless thing. As marriages go on, they often become more unpleasant. I've become a strong believer in the last 5 years that romantic relationships formed prior to the age of 55 have a shelf life of 5 years of goodness. If a relationship is still good beyond the 5 year anniversary of the relationship forming, it is on borrowed time.
The median length of a marriage ending in divorce has been around 7 years for decades. What most people who cite this statistic neglect to count is the period of time in relationship prior to marriage. These 7 year marriages ending in divorce are typically 10 year long relationships in total. If the arc of the 10 year relationship is examined, it's reasonable to say that about 5 years were good, 3 years were mediocre to subpar, and the final 2 years were essentially intolerable.
