Why does the manosphere care so much about abortion

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Dave Chappelle on child support: "If she can kill it, I ought to be able to abandon it."

When surveyed, women list the top 3 reasons for their abortion as #1 father ran off, #2 father incapable of supporting child, and #3 was that the new kid would have taken too many resources away from her other kids. Granted, this is their perspective, but those are not selfish reasons. The men who father aborted fetuses often have a lot to do with causing that result.

Let’s be real here—the main reason for fatherless homes is because of women’s bad attitude. Women don’t take responsibility over their poor choices, they always shift the blame.

Father ran off? It’s cuz this hoe was crazy.
Father incapable of supporting the child? You’re the one who chose to get with a deadbeat, that’s your own fault sis.
New kid would’ve taken away too many resources from her other kids? That’s code for her not wanting to raise her kids because she’s selfish, otherwise she’d have never gotten prego in the first place.

I’m not gonna go in depth and psychoanalyze why all this is the case like I normally do, but it’s important we remember that men aren’t the ones who’ve changed over the last 60+ years. Women, however, have.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Why just not get pregnant in the first place? Versus killing babies?

“Just not get pregnant” is not a public policy position. Women get pregnant. What do you suggest be done about it?

 

[speed dawg]

How do we know one of these aborted fetuses wouldn't have found the cure for cancer?

On the other hand, that next aborted fetus could have been the thug that randomly robs and shoots people walking home from their night shift job. There's just no easy answer and I agree, we are not the legislators for it.

This question has a false premise. Abortion is not murder.

There is not a factual answer to this question. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

If you are for abortion, at minimum, I think you have to take responsibility for at least a minimum level of a taking of life.

I think a better solution than abortion could be free sterility, but doubt many people would go for that. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[EyeBRollin]

There is not a factual answer to this question. Just because you keep saying it, doesn't make it true.

Sorry but that is wrong. Abortion is not murder. It has been litigated to death. If you are anti-abortion, start with a more credible premise for argument.

If you are for abortion, at minimum, I think you have to take responsibility for at least a minimum level of a taking of life.

What do you think is an acceptable punishment for a woman that has an abortion?

 

[speed dawg]

Sorry but that is wrong. Abortion is not murder. It has been litigated to death. If you are anti-abortion, start with a more credible premise for argument.

What do you think is an acceptable punishment for a woman that has an abortion?

I don't have an answer. That is why I do not take a hardline stance on the topic.

Also, I don't care what the actual definition of murder is (I do not care to split hairs with meaningless details like that), but go watch a video of some of those late-term abortions. No way anybody will ever convince me that is business as usual. It's horrific.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Also, I don't care what the actual definition of murder is (I do not care to split hairs with meaningless details like that), but go watch a video of some of those late-term abortions. No way anybody will ever convince me that is business as usual. It's horrific.

That’s disingenuous. According to the CDC, 65% of abortions are in the first 8 weeks, and less than 1% occur after 21 weeks. Those horrific late-term abortions are exceedingly rare and are medically necessary for the mother.. but they sure make convincing propaganda ads.

 

[zekko]

Sorry but that is wrong. Abortion is not murder. It has been litigated to death.

I think the disconnect here is that you are making a legal and political argument, and others are not. Obviously abortion is legal, therefore from a legal standpoint, it isn't murder. But it's still taking a life, and that life would be human.

 

[speed dawg]

I think the disconnect here is that you are making a legal and political argument, and others are not. Obviously abortion is legal, therefore from a legal standpoint, it isn't murder. But it's still taking a life, and that life would be human.

Agreed.

But I will say his points above are valid about the statistics and the propaganda, but I haven't had time to check into that. Even still, you are in fact taking a life even if you consider a 8 weeks or younger fetus, there's really just no way to get around that.

 

[metalwater]

I think the disconnect here is that you are making a legal and political argument, and others are not. Obviously abortion is legal, therefore from a legal standpoint, it isn't murder. But it's still taking a life, and that life would be human.

It is not legal in all locations of humans. so not all humans have the same opinions and positions about the value of life.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The reason the manosphere discussed this matter is because the manosphere was one place to have actual truth. Without politics or social convention to "re-paint" it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

It's about power. Abortion is the ultimate gynocentric power move. And, well, it depends on the situation.

The truth here

 

[firstbornunicorn]

If women are given the choice of what happens with their body, men should be given the choice about what happens with their wallets, and alimony/etc shouldn't be by default, only if the man agrees.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

By 5 or 6 months if they are born they'll survive. At two weeks it has all human organs and appendages.

If its not murder then they should have someone punch them in stomach and pass the baby into the toilet.

The argument was after a few months every single person can accept that what is in her belly is life. If someone kills your unborn baby against your will, you will press murder charges or whatever is legally punishable.

Now you do have a right to kill that unborn child at various stages in this country. The fact was that it is "killing" an unborn child, whether or not it is legal or not.

All the manosphere cared about is calling it for what it is. And some had a feeling one way or another about it, which is in our right.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If women are given the choice of what happens with their body, men should be given the choice about what happens with their wallets, and alimony/etc shouldn't be by default, only if the man agrees.

Her unborn child is not her body. If it is so, why not just slit the childs throat immediately after birth or kill it through other means?

 

[firstbornunicorn]

Her unborn child is not her body. If it is so, why not just slit the childs throat immediately after birth or kill it through other means?

I agree, but that's not what they think, so it's important to use language they understand. Abortion is objectively murder, but not everyone is capable of being objective, so you communicate using their subjective reality to better make yourself understood.

The objective reality that abortion is murder is lost in the mainstream. The next best is to give men control over their resources.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I agree, but that's not what they think, so it's important to use language they understand. Abortion is objectively murder, but not everyone is capable of being objective, so you communicate using their subjective reality to better make yourself understood.

The objective reality that abortion is murder is lost in the mainstream. The next best is to give men control over their resources.

"They" definately feel like its murder if they were physically assaulted and they lose their baby.

 

[RickTheToad]

As an extremely right wing guy myself, I don't get the obsession either. If a woman doesn't think she's capable of raising a kid and is forced to have it, there's a very good chance that kid is gonna be extremely f'd up.

As if the majority of unwanted / singla mama raised kidos are not f ucked up already

 

[metalwater]

If women are given the choice of what happens with their body, men should be given the choice about what happens with their wallets, and alimony/etc shouldn't be by default, only if the man agrees.

this can actually be the solution.