Why does the manosphere care so much about abortion

[speed dawg]

I agree! But you didn’t answer the question - how does mandating that woman have the child when she is ill-equipped to raise it benefit the child and benefit society as a whole?

It's a question of religion and the sanctity of life. You know as well as I do that is a separate discussion and no one will agree. So there is no answer to the abortion question, until both sides are willing to truly listen to the other's position.

That won't happen anytime soon. So people will kill their babies if they want, and others won't. Such is life. One thing is true for certain: You have to make the choice to go to the abortion clinic.

 

[Lookatu]

I agree! But you didn’t answer the question - how does mandating that woman have the child when she is ill-equipped to raise it benefit the child and benefit society as a whole?

It doesn't and has been going on years in the inner city and low income areas. You have couples that can provide a good family structure and a home not wanting to have kids these days while you have inner city teen moms popping them out in multiples and relying on government assistance(our tax dollars) in supporting them. These teen moms are still kids and therefore do not know how to discipline and provide structure in their household. Their daughters then start having kids when they are teens too and a viscious cycle goes on where kids having kids doesn't produce productive citizens in society.

There are also several adoption alternatives as well for those that have religious beliefs.

There are also several "abortion" pills that are also available.

How much easier do you want to make it for everyone?

Women have three chances these days to be responsible - birth control, abortion pill, abortion... Women should rarely get to the last two options IMO

Just like birth control is readily available but not everyone uses it. Abortion is available in some states but not everyone uses it too. What's gonna change?

 

[EyeBRollin]

It doesn't and has been going on years in the inner city and low income areas.

This is an important part of the abortion conversation. Why should we advocate for banning abortion yet ignore the detrimental result to the child and to society?

 

[Asseater]

Not at all. How many children do you have?
I have 3 and know several married couples, ,single mothers/fathers. The wellbeing of children can vary greatly in any situation. That's what I've learned.

All I'm saying is women need to be responsible for their bodies and be held accountable for their actions. We have so many support mechanism these days that reward bad behavior and choices that women make through the government, churches, etc. Having these does nothing to change the mindset of women and does a disservice to help them make good judgement.

I have 1 kid and the mother is an absolutely worthless piece of **** with no job who sees her kid on average a few hours one day a week. That is probably really going to mess my kid up. Had she wanted an abortion I would have supported that decision %100.

 

[Kotaix]

South America is a very conservative area and it all comes down to Catholicism.

I lived in chile for many years and one constant in the news (3-4 times a year at least) was the cops busting some back alley guy with a fake medical diploma who was performing coat hanger abortions. Abortions are now legal in the country in the case of rape, to save the life of the mother, or when the fetus is not viable. But only 150 abortions were conducted legally for cases of rape since the law came into effect in 2017. A lot of this has to do with doctors refusing to conduct the procedure, some telling women that they don't look like they've been raped. This may or may not be true and it might be women making up rape to get an abortion.... but the reality on the ground is that, even though abortion is "legal", the coat hanger back alley abortions are still in full effect because women know that going to the doctor for an abortion is mostly futile.

You CANNOT stop abortions from being performed. Desperate women will always find a way, often that way is going to be very dangerous or stupid. Making things illegal just drives them underground with all the dangers that come with it. Yes, abortion is immoral, but that's a decision the woman has to live with for the rest of her life.

The only perspective where I think the manosphere has a point is when a woman has an abortion against the wishes of the male partner, and even then that is an iffy proposition. We will never know what it's like to have to carry a huge thing inside us, push it out of a tiny hole and then have to feed it for over a year.

As for Rollo, I've long since stopped listening to him. All he does is throw gasoline on the outrage fire so he can get rich.

 

[Alvafe]

what does payment have to do with it? The discussion is if the state should ban abortions



I agree. No child is conceived by accident. However, who pays has nothing to do with if it should be legal or not. What does a womans choice to get an abortion have to do with any of us men?

you lack to understand the follow up will happen, its not a crime, so then hospitals can do it, and then they will force for the state to pay for it for woman, just wait the sh!t show who will follow

 

[zekko]

It's a question of religion and the sanctity of life. You know as well as I do that is a separate discussion and no one will agree.

To me, it's simply a moral question. I can't get past the idea that it is murder. We are killing millions of unborn children every year, it's absolutely astonishing. What does it benefit society to let them live? If we can't demonstrate how we contribute to society, why should any of us live? How do we know one of these aborted fetuses wouldn't have found the cure for cancer?

It makes no sense to me. Men don’t carry children so why the fvck should we care?

This is like saying I don't have any children, so why should I care when someone is murdered?

 

[derby1]

Because it gives women another pass card to behave how they want, the agenda pushed is that its being used by poor victims, its not!

Abortion clinics are packed with single moms who fancied some side D, and i payed for it as a tax payer

 

[Bible_Belt]

Dave Chappelle on child support: "If she can kill it, I ought to be able to abandon it."

When surveyed, women list the top 3 reasons for their abortion as #1 father ran off, #2 father incapable of supporting child, and #3 was that the new kid would have taken too many resources away from her other kids. Granted, this is their perspective, but those are not selfish reasons. The men who father aborted fetuses often have a lot to do with causing that result.

 

[redskinsfan92]

South America is a very conservative area and it all comes down to Catholicism.

I lived in chile for many years and one constant in the news (3-4 times a year at least) was the cops busting some back alley guy with a fake medical diploma who was performing coat hanger abortions. Abortions are now legal in the country in the case of rape, to save the life of the mother, or when the fetus is not viable. But only 150 abortions were conducted legally for cases of rape since the law came into effect in 2017. A lot of this has to do with doctors refusing to conduct the procedure, some telling women that they don't look like they've been raped. This may or may not be true and it might be women making up rape to get an abortion.... but the reality on the ground is that, even though abortion is "legal", the coat hanger back alley abortions are still in full effect because women know that going to the doctor for an abortion is mostly futile.

You CANNOT stop abortions from being performed. Desperate women will always find a way, often that way is going to be very dangerous or stupid. Making things illegal just drives them underground with all the dangers that come with it. Yes, abortion is immoral, but that's a decision the woman has to live with for the rest of her life.

The only perspective where I think the manosphere has a point is when a woman has an abortion against the wishes of the male partner, and even then that is an iffy proposition. We will never know what it's like to have to carry a huge thing inside us, push it out of a tiny hole and then have to feed it for over a year.

As for Rollo, I've long since stopped listening to him. All he does is throw gasoline on the outrage fire so he can get rich.

Lost my respect

 

[Serenity]

To me, it's simply a moral question. I can't get past the idea that it is murder. We are killing millions of unborn children every year, it's absolutely astonishing. What does it benefit society to let them live? If we can't demonstrate how we contribute to society, why should any of us live? How do we know one of these aborted fetuses wouldn't have found the cure for cancer?

I do understand this point, but the sperm and egg cells killed every single second could possibly have been a life. There's an astonishing number of those who never turn into a life. Your type of logic breaks down, what needs to be done is to draw a line and as far as I know there is such a line for the places that allow abortion. At some point a fetus is too developed to be aborted, in my country that limit is set at 12 weeks, the time after which it is very unlikely to have a miscarriage.

By your logic emergency contraception should be banned, contraception in general should be banned actually. No chance to give life should be wasted and all that.

There is a point at which I consider it murder, but that is not at day 0. I'm not sure if it's within week 12, but it's definitely not day 0.

 

[metalwater]

I am against it for religious reasons.

From a non-religious viewpoint, I am ok with it as long as full disclosure and no privacy. Privacy is the enabler of all sorts of problems. Those issues then lead to a discussion of trust. However, trust is not needed without privacy.

Anytime someone needs privacy, ask why.

I personally learned young in the military that privacy is not really needed to excel. but then later forgot...

 

[zekko]

I do understand this point, but the sperm and egg cells killed every single second could possibly have been a life.

Yes, but not until they have been combined. Once there is conception, there is a process in play that is going to follow through to its eventual conclusion, whatever that might be. It's either going to die by some sort of disease process, or it's going to be a human.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I saw that Argentina legalized abortion today, becoming the first county in Latin America to do so. I want to understand why some sections of the "manospere" get so worked up over it. I have been following Rollo Tomossi The Rational Male lately. He does not seem especially rational due to his regular indulgence in conspiracy theories about wildfires and covid. Today he was taking a victory lap because he "predicted" with a vague tweet from 2015 that Argentina was going to legalize abortion. Which got me confused about what this fixation on abortion is for people like Tomasi.

He points to abortion as the "ultimate expression of hypergamy". Nothing says you are a beta chump with bad genes that an abortion. To him abortion becoming legal is the "consolidating Gynocentric power". It's easy to laugh or cry at the purple haired tatted up train wrecks in the street celebrating the new law, but what is so damaging about women getting this right? It sound so conspiratorial like this is the first step in female domination of the world or something and I have not seen him or anyone else articulate from a non religious perspective what the big deal is.

The more rational explanation seems to that south america is one of the last strongholds of organized religion and it is slowly getting more secular. Along with a more secular society comes legalized abortion. If anything you would think PUA or even just guys who spin plates would be for this because **** can happen when you are seeing multiple girls and are not extra diligent about protection.

Yes. Rollo is a dork and wants to believe that he still has it. He is a author. He had good insights but he got on long winded rants and the groupies parrot him the way feminists go on about equality or pay gap.

Rollo has summed up the thesis for his work with hypergamy. He is incapable of talking about anything else. He is synonymous with the search online for hypergamy which is funny.

Guess what? He is correct. The ultimate play in hypergamy is abortion ie murdering babies. The women are evil. The rampage world wide for baby murdering is a example of female evil. It is a mess and a dumpster fire that men are sifting through the smp. My body my choice is a cute tune for camouflage murdering babies. The ultimate act of hypergamy and the height of female evil.

 

[EyeBRollin]

This is like saying I don't have any children, so why should I care when someone is murdered?

Murder is a serious crime. This a stupid analogy.

 

[EyeBRollin]

To me, it's simply a moral question. I can't get past the idea that it is murder. We are killing millions of unborn children every year, it's absolutely astonishing. What does it benefit society to let them live? If we can't demonstrate how we contribute to society, why should any of us live? How do we know one of these aborted fetuses wouldn't have found the cure for cancer?

Abortion is not murder. That is a faulty premise. Secondly, how does it benefit society to mandate out of wedlock child birth?

 

[zekko]

Abortion is not murder. That is a faulty premise. Secondly, how does it benefit society to mandate out of wedlock child birth?

I'm not the arbiter of morality, so call it what you like. But it's snuffing out a human life, I don't see a way to get around that.
As for mandating out of wedlock child birth, I think people should be more sexually responsible. Of course that's not going to be a popular opinion on a forum like this.

 

[Asseater]

I'm not the arbiter of morality, so call it what you like. But it's snuffing out a human life, I don't see a way to get around that.
As for mandating out of wedlock child birth, I think people should be more sexually responsible. Of course that's not going to be a popular opinion on a forum like this.

I don't think anyone would argue we SHOULD be more responsible. But people will make stupid decisions sexually, it's just in our nature. No amount of laws could change that short of castration at birth.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I'm not the arbiter of morality, so call it what you like. But it's snuffing out a human life, I don't see a way to get around that.

No. It is not a human life.

As for mandating out of wedlock child birth, I think people should be more sexually responsible. Of course that's not going to be a popular opinion on a forum like this.

Everyone in this thread agrees that people should be sexually responsible. You’re suggesting that society should mandate out of wedlock child births. Why?

 

[zekko]

No. It is not a human life.

It's not a duck.