Is sex sacred to women at any point?

[fastlife]

You are describing alpha fux/beta bux - dualistic female mating strategy. The truth is that woman ideally wants these 2 needs met in 1 man, but that's very hard to find. The alpha is too abundant to commit, and the beta is too beta to provide alpha tingles. A woman's ideal fantasy is to secure an Alpha who commits to her, but this is nearly impossible - nature is cruel. So she'll take the alpha seed, and get a beta to raise the brat. It's not what she really wants to do, but it's how she manages the problem.

Right, but the idea that women want everything in one man as the ideal is one idea the manosphere and Blue Pill society at large have in common IRL that hasn't been my experience (both firsthand and observed) at all--at least not long-term. Some women are more monogamously inclined than others--and most girls will be monogamousish at some point and will want a wedding, but I think a lot of that is just social conditioning, social pressure, and the fact that until recently women haven't had access to as many high value men. In the past, it was a lot easier for her to optimize her hypergamy in one man; perceived value is always relative. I think most girls find it possible and often preferable to get better provisioning and better Alpha from multiple sources, whether that's split over different seasons of her life or concurrent. I think the idea that women aspire that optimized hypergamy in one man as a rule serves male reproductive goals (assured paternity and ego) more than it does women (as long as they have someone to take care of the child). No one on either side of the pill is entirely free of ego investments.

She'll have lots of sex with Chads in the hope that she can secure one. Woman have more sex because they can, but the drive isn't for sex. She's hoping she'll find a high-value man to commit to her. It's in her biology.

Women may get more sex than 99% of men, but the 1% Chads get far more sex than 99% of women.

Women will have sex with Chad (stupid term btw--have yet to run into him infield in any stereotypical sense), just for sake of having sex with Chad. Attraction is not a choice. And many of these women don't want to be locked down (though they might give it the old college try from time to time)--granted I have limited experience with any girls over 22ish.

The biggest insult you can through at a woman is "slvt" - if women just wanted sex for fun, then this wouldn't trigger her. Call a man a "slvt" and he'd just smirk and wink at you.

Again, I think you're confusing social pressure with nature. When that social pressure is removed, you get a very different picture. And you have to ask why that social pressure existed in the first place.

It's pretty well-known fact that the more sexual partners a woman has, the more difficulty she has pair-bonding. It's like taking your first hit of heroin. The next hits just ain't the same. That's why virgins were highly prized in history - They bonded. Ever heard the term "You can't turn a wh0re into a housewife?" It happens to be true.
Once a woman starts upping her notches then her Hypergamy death spiral kicks in and she keeps chasing the bigger, better deal until she hits the wall.

The Coolidge Effect is also a well-known phenomena--most of the chemical ****tail that results in monogamy lasts 2-5 years (used to know a more exact figure), just long enough for the child to walk... In the past, most people didn't live past their early thirties.

That said, there are major evolutionary advantage to dual parental investment. I'd say overall humans walk the line between r/K selection--with evolutionary traits of both tournament and pair-bonded species--and that behavior often manifests itself in a single person over the course of the lifetime, though members of both sexes swing one way or the other.

 

[fastlife]

I think the pitfall is when guys start assigning roles to women. "Wh0re," "Alpha Widow," "Quality Woman," etc. Men, even (or especially?) red pilled men, seem to want to project a narrative onto a girl. I've fallen into the trap myself. I'm speaking for myself here, and to the OP in this case.

Missed this, but totally agree.

Don't get me wrong. If I'm privy to her past and it doesn't sit well, I'll stay true to my standards. But I make sure that it's my inner self and not my ego making the decision. A woman with a higher than normal notch count won't necessarily be "disconnected" from sex and love, and a sweet little angel can go out and get railed in a ONS and tell no one, not even her BFF. And as far as drive, there's just no stopping adolescent/young adult female sexuality. It's not the 24/7 horniess of a teen guy, but I think men underestimate it as a force of nature.

Men want a sure bet--and they're wise to hedge their bets as best they can--but ultimately all you can do is be a high value man and let the chips fall where they may. If you stay a high value man, either outcome shouldn't be too much of an issue

Anyway I think for most guys here that when a woman gives up her body to you, it's a special thing. Most Sosuavers know how to make her feel special, so she probably likes you. (As opposed to fukking for trade or pity or something.) So, I take it for what it is and appreciate it since it's usually mutual. Whenever I see alpha widow/slvt talk (always post facto) it's because they missed some red flag or their game slipped or the ego just needs soothing. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing in the moment, but I don't think it's healthy to dwell on that stuff.

As for "alpha widow," don't kid yourselves, gents. Most females will have at least fukked one Alpha (relative to her SMV) before she's fukked you. Some just can't move on, which is a red flag, but not some mystical spell. Unless you were the alpha then okay.

Agreed with this as well. The idea of an alpha widow is another male ego-driven fantasy. Sure, it has its basis in reality--plenty of women get hung up their exes--but IME most of those women are low self-esteem, have emotional issues going back to childhood, and are using that idealized man who did her wrong to manipulate her new target into betaizing himself, manipulate the old lover into investing (people invest when they feel special), and to garner social sympathy. HSE high value people of both genders get over their exes--the inability to do so completely would be a major evolutionary disadvantage unless they just didn't have any other options.

 

[zekko]

For any guy who's got experience with women, he knows that sex is a deeply emotional thing for a women, and it's deeply psychological for her - it's not just about the P in V.

I've had many women tell me that after they have sex with a man they become emotionally attached to him. I don't think that was a lie, but there's also another set of women who obviously can completely separate sex from emotion - wh0res, slvts, escorts, and the like. We're either talking about two different types of women here, or two different types of experiences.

 

[fastlife]

Answers in bold again.

You've got your notions about social conditioning of women completely back-to-front.

Right, I’m familiar with the theory. But I’ve also gone out to the college bars just about every weekend, for the past 5 years (I’ve slowed down a little—was probably logging 4 nights a week the first couple years). I worked in the nightlife for 2 years before that.

Every guy here is can go out there and try it for themselves: next time you have a girl interested, act like sex isn’t a big deal, talk about it openly, tell girls they’re too innocent for you probably only does missionary, push for that night, tell them if she catches feelings you’ll never talk to her again. Only text her to hangout. Don’t act like a bf. Tell us if she tries to lock you down or if she’s 100% happy just having a cool guy to hangout with. Go specifically for “good girls” that seem innocent. Talk to her about her past and her view on relationships, talk to her about her friend’s relationships, and tell us what you find. Talk to her about the guys who slide into her DMs. Try this with girls who are in relationships with solid dudes. Do this until you drop the idea that, if women wanted anything differently in their prime than to have fun with a variety of guys, that’s what they’d be doing.

 

[bat soup]

So Austria Dik ( a redpill YouTube) claims that sex holds very little significance to a women. Giving her body away is equal to an elbow massage or hand shake. I would disagree. I would say that most women start off viewing sex as special. What happens is after that first guy who Alpha widows them, then they disconnect love from sex. This is the definition of a whure. A women who has completely disconnected love from sex.

I may be wrong though because I had a convo with my cousins. This was years ago. I was advising them to not be whures. I told them that the first guy is special. One told me that she didn't feel any type of special connection with the first guy. She just wanted to get it over with to finally experience sex. Now she a hoe to high status men/ rich men.

I have my viewpoint is because I grew up in an era where the older guys told me that after sex you have the girls heart. My old heads and my dad told me to not abuse her emotions after sleeping with her. Dad said before sex she has the power, after sex you do. That may just have been late 90's blue pill conditioning though.

I've come to realise that women don't attach the same importance to sex that men do. It's like water to them - you just turn on a tap and it's there. For men, having sex with a hot girl feels like an achievement and confirmation of their masculinity in addition to the physical pleasure. For women, it's often the opposite and there's a feeling of shame involved.

Plus, there is also the passive nature of women and their passive role in sex. Essentially all they have to do is hold still.

 

[christie]

The idea of an alpha widow is another male ego-driven fantasy. Sure, it has its basis in reality--plenty of women get hung up their exes--but IME most of those women are low self-esteem, have emotional issues going back to childhood, and are using that idealized man who did her wrong to manipulate her new target into betaizing himself, manipulate the old lover into investing (people invest when they feel special), and to garner social sympathy. HSE high value people of both genders get over their exes--the inability to do so completely would be a major evolutionary disadvantage unless they just didn't have any other options.

Man, I appreciate this honesty. I recognise this and it helps me to identify how I can change the way I refer to an ex.


I think its key to hold back info when speaking of an ex. I've been honest without tact and that's attractive to noone.



The running list I have so far when meeting someone new in non-forum life.

*I will not divulge my age(its the first thing guys describe and pigeonhole you with)

*I will not divulge my sexual notch count(again, 11 will be deemed a wrong number)

*I will not speak about an exboyfriend past a playful, respectful joke or two.

*I will not display any masculine traits or characteristics.(I will not admit I work, what I do or have done nor speak of money at all; I will not admit knowing importance of red pill and selfdevelopment, ever. It will be obvious in my actions that I know my role; I will not treat a man like a buddy I compete with or spar for power comeuppance in my romantic life anymore....only feminine, supportive, cooperative at all times)



This is the list I have so far after 10 straight months on sosuave.

 

[Bigpapa]

Man, I appreciate this honesty. I recognise this and it helps me to identify how I can change the way I refer to an ex.


I think its key to hold back info when speaking of an ex. I've been honest without tact and that's attractive to noone.



The running list I have so far when meeting someone new in non-forum life.

*I will not divulge my age(its the first thing guys describe and pigeonhole you with)

*I will not divulge my sexual notch count(again, 11 will be deemed a wrong number)

*I will not speak about an exboyfriend past a playful, respectful joke or two.

*I will not display any masculine traits or characteristics.(I will not admit I work, what I do or have done nor speak of money at all; I will not admit knowing importance of red pill and selfdevelopment, ever. It will be obvious in my actions that I know my role; I will not treat a man like a buddy I compete with or spar for power comeuppance in my romantic life anymore....only feminine, supportive, cooperative at all times)



This is the list I have so far after 10 straight months on sosuave.

it is not about that you 11 notch is too high , it is about that guys want to bond with someone that he can have a healthy relationship with , through good times and bad times

 

[christie]

it is not about that you 11 notch is too high , it is about that guys want to bond with someone that he can have a healthy relationship with , through good times and bad times

You're right.

Still, best to keep previous bedroom experience talk to myself--there's zero benefit to myself for being that honest to a man-------------------there is no participation trophies to be handed out, not joking.

 

[Bigpapa]

You're right.

Still, best to keep previous bedroom experience talk to myself--there's zero benefit to myself for being that honest to a man-------------------there is no participation trophies to be handed out, not joking.

well you have to think more about the future , like for example if you really like the guy you will start a relationship based on lies , which is not the best start

btw I would really appreciate a woman thought about something , will send you a dm

 

[christie]

well you have to think more about the future , like for example if you really like the guy you will start a relationship based on lies , which is not the best start

btw I would really appreciate a woman thought about something , will send you a dm

I cannot lie, I will get sick and spiral down.

However, I can learn to calibrate saying 'No, I will not answer any sexual questions, thanks anyways' to a new prospective boyfriend that is asking.

Almost like a Tomassi Iron Rule.

If anything, it should demonstrate I deem sex sacred and private.

 

[Bigpapa]

I cannot lie, I will get sick and spiral down.

However, I can learn to calibrate saying 'No, I will not answer any sexual questions, thanks anyways' to a new prospective boyfriend that is asking.

Almost like a Tomassi Iron Rule.

If anything, it should demonstrate I deem sex sacred and private.

yes , but again if you deem that sex is sacred and private and in reality you did not see it like that , then more or less you are just manipulating the situation in order to get what you want ...

Like I said , I do not think that a healthy relationship can be built on lies .

sure there are a lot of red pill dudes here that are way too extreme in what they say , but I am quite sure that there are also guys who are more middle centered and will not judge the past of a woman no matter how colored it is .

the point of a relationship is for everyone to be as they really are , not to pose in something that they are not

me for example , I do not really care about this kind of things , for me it matters how the woman is

 

[christie]

yes , but again if you deem that sex is sacred and private and in reality you did not see it like that , then more or less you are just manipulating the situation in order to get what you want ...

Like I said , I do not think that a healthy relationship can be built on lies .

sure there are a lot of red pill dudes here that are way too extreme in what they say , but I am quite sure that there are also guys who are more middle centered and will not judge the past of a woman no matter how colored it is .

the point of a relationship is for everyone to be as they really are , not to pose in something that they are not

me for example , I do not really care about this kind of things , for me it matters how the woman is

yes, I understand.

It always did make me uncomfortable with questions about past boyfriends/sex.

I was never under any obligation to divulge confidential information and I almost regret sharing when I realise they refused to equally share or outright lied about their sexual past.

Reading on this forum I am convinced that I actually don't want to know a guy's sex history. I'm not kidding.

 

[derby1]

It has more significance for them because they don't want to give it to any guy.

They give it to a lot of guys from what i see, and i wouldnt call many of them "Alpha"

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Wh0res, slvts and escorts have what we call the 1000 c0ck stare. They have lost their bonding glue and are "fallen" women. It's not a judgement - women can choose whatever life they want for themselves. However, it's pretty well known that high notch women are deeply unhappy.

Are these the type that emotionally it feels like a "porcupine" or degrading to be around? Any comfort is replaced with spikes and discomfort?

 

[Baibars]

They give it to a lot of guys from what i see, and i wouldnt call many of them "Alpha"

They still don't give it to any guy that's contrary to their nature. That's the reason why they don't accept any guy on tinder or chase men. It's because of their selective nature. He must be useful for them wether it's alpha or beta.

 

[christie]

Are these the type that emotionally it feels like a "porcupine" or degrading to be around? Any comfort is replaced with spikes and discomfort?

avoid these like avoiding covid

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You're right.

Still, best to keep previous bedroom experience talk to myself--there's zero benefit to myself for being that honest to a man-------------------there is no participation trophies to be handed out, not joking.

Vice versa.

Man, I appreciate this honesty. I recognise this and it helps me to identify how I can change the way I refer to an ex.


I think its key to hold back info when speaking of an ex. I've been honest without tact and that's attractive to noone.



The running list I have so far when meeting someone new in non-forum life.

*I will not divulge my age(its the first thing guys describe and pigeonhole you with)

In the first several dates, why does it matter? What should m

*I will not divulge my sexual notch count(again, 11 will be deemed a wrong number)

*I will not speak about an exboyfriend past a playful, respectful joke or two.

*I will not display any masculine traits or characteristics.(I will not admit I work, what I do or have done nor speak of money at all; I will not admit knowing importance of red pill and selfdevelopment, ever. It will be obvious in my actions that I know my role; I will not treat a man like a buddy I compete with or spar for power comeuppance in my romantic life anymore....only feminine, supportive, cooperative at all times)



This is the list I have so far after 10 straight months on sosuave.
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avoid these like avoiding covid

 

[christie]

Vice versa.


In the first several dates, why does it matter? What should m

*I will not divulge my sexual notch count(again, 11 will be deemed a wrong number)

*I will not speak about an exboyfriend past a playful, respectful joke or two.

*I will not display any masculine traits or characteristics.(I will not admit I work, what I do or have done nor speak of money at all; I will not admit knowing importance of red pill and selfdevelopment, ever. It will be obvious in my actions that I know my role; I will not treat a man like a buddy I compete with or spar for power comeuppance in my romantic life anymore....only feminine, supportive, cooperative at all times)



This is the list I have so far after 10 straight months on sosuave.

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much respect for sharing a lady youtuber, I'll continue to watch it now

 

[mrgoodstuff]

much respect for sharing a lady youtuber, I'll continue to watch it now
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She's really good at this type of message.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

much respect for sharing a lady youtuber, I'll continue to watch it now
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