The psychology behind it all?

[Black Widow Void]

Seems like we've reverted back to the "women don't respect weak men" analogy; which I suppose does address one part of this topic, but the other still seems to remain unanswered.

This is about women that otherwise, seem cool, but also seem to delight in a man's blunder(s) .

Let's say that you trip while walking or lose your keys and they were under your nose... yes, these incidents can appear funny of course...
This isn't about ego, insecurities or anything of that sort. After all, we are all going to have a moment or two of clumsiness and forgetfulness.
This is about seeing this subtle gleam of delight in a woman because we exhibited some imperfection.

This isn't some dire question or anything... just a curiosity if others have encountered this and an attempt to understand the psychology behind this behavior.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Seems like we've reverted back to the "women don't respect weak men" analogy; which I suppose does address one part of this topic, but the other still seems to remain unanswered.

This is about women that otherwise, seem cool, but also seem to delight in a man's blunder(s) .

Let's say that you trip while walking or lose your keys and they were under your nose... yes, these incidents can appear funny of course...
This isn't about ego, insecurities or anything of that sort. After all, we are all going to have a moment or two of clumsiness and forgetfulness.
This is about seeing this subtle gleam of delight in a woman because we exhibited some imperfection.

This isn't some dire question or anything... just a curiosity if others have encountered this and an attempt to understand the psychology behind this behavior.

Some of the women were attacking or "reducing" ( or attempting to ) the man the ENTIRE time. Doesn't matter if you came in strong or weak. These type of interactions can only stall or reduce your potential GAIN.

 

[Lynx nkaf]

that's pretty accurate. Sad that it is, but accurate.

This. They're f*cking ruthless when it comes to showing strength. She's literally watching and telling you: "Don't let me catch you slippin' now". The first tear could be your last. They might even feel a little bit of disgust when you show a vulnerability for too long at the wrong time.

You could almost assume that we're inversely correlated to females. We immediately influence how they behave towards us. When we're at our masculine best, holding frame and acting tough, they're feminine, submissive and obedient. In this scenario they wouldn't even dream of acting b*tchy or acting and speaking up. When you show holes in your game, she smells them like a damn bloodhound and transforms into something so disgusting that even demons start having nightmares.

There is definitely a spiritual connection between the two genders that forces an equilibrium by means of the most cold-blooded and relentless behaviors and characteristics when one gender falls short of their given role.

 

[lamath]

Would it be possible thats its something like

Ahhhh i see you have some imperfection afterall, cute.....


I do that with some awkward things my gf sometime

Is it from amusement or malice?

 

[Black Widow Void]

Would it be possible thats its something like
Ahhhh i see you have some imperfection afterall, cute.....
I do that with some awkward things my gf sometime
Is it from amusement or malice?

Nah... I wouldn't go as far as to say "malice" but it's not coming for a source of light-heartedness. To paraphrase from an old 80's song... it's almost as if ... they "hate themselves for loving me."

Research penis envy like I told you

re: penis envy - Seems half-baked to me. In actuality, it's likely that I was studying Freud while you were still getting read bedtime stories.
re: "like I told you" -- If your psychology knowledge goes beyond that of the pseudo intellect... then you probably already know the theories linked to men that posture in an over-compensating manner.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

My mother died last year and I was dating a quite young girl (who later became my GF). While my mom was dying, I was not at my best. Twice I couldn’t get it up and the girl got angry. ‘You damn well better get some Viagra!’ She knew what was going on, but wouldn’t tolerate my weakness.

 

[metalwater]

When we are down and our spirit[frame] is cracking because of emotion AND we self doubt in that moment all of our fortress walls go down and only the child remains. In that moment, we are vulnerable. This riddle does not have an answer in the action/reaction space. Only in the energy/emotion. Men have strong emotions that we try to learn to manage/control and even use.

You tell that this is noticed about ex and or past relations. It is one of the reasons that they are passed or ex.

Women that really join us will walk into the fire with head held high to help/save/support us, the same as a man will. The ones that settled will withdraw when our power gets interrupted(lost job, lost business, lost loved one, sick, and so on..) Those same are all along looking at others and receiving energy from others. We may or may not notice it depending on us, but we definitely can notice when they withdraw due to our power interruption. They settled for our power, and not our presence so when the power dims they look away.

 

[Black Widow Void]

@metalwater

In one swoop (posting) it looks like you answered both questions.

This makes perfect sense to me.
Thanks

 

[mrgoodstuff]

When we are down and our spirit[frame] is cracking because of emotion AND we self doubt in that moment all of our fortress walls go down and only the child remains. In that moment, we are vulnerable. This riddle does not have an answer in the action/reaction space. Only in the energy/emotion. Men have strong emotions that we try to learn to manage/control and even use.

You tell that this is noticed about ex and or past relations. It is one of the reasons that they are passed or ex.

Women that really join us will walk into the fire with head held high to help/save/support us, the same as a man will. The ones that settled will withdraw when our power gets interrupted(lost job, lost business, lost loved one, sick, and so on..) Those same are all along looking at others and receiving energy from others. We may or may not notice it depending on us, but we definitely can notice when they withdraw due to our power interruption. They settled for our power, and not our presence so when the power dims they look away.

Some came for your power and your stuff. Others are firmly entrenched and in your corner.

The one who came for your stuff is covered under "wicked woman" in the bible. She WILL weaken you. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Ecclesiasticus-25-23/

Whereas a strong woman who is good for you will strengthen and add to you.

 

[metalwater]

Some came for your power and your stuff. Others are firmly entrenched and in your corner.

The one who came for your stuff is covered under "wicked woman" in the bible. She WILL weaken you. https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Ecclesiasticus-25-23/

Whereas a strong woman who is good for you will strengthen and add to you.

Yes. There is much wisdom in the ancient txt. Some of the things such as this are timeless and also often glossed over. I believe this is a lesson that will not be learned except by experience. Because for the man that has not lived it, he will believe that he and his frame and his arrogance will protect him. Only when experiencing will a man understand. This is one of the most heartbreaking and cruel situations, with long-lasting pain and suffering equal to physical torture. Even for the man who has a harem(lot of plates), this can happen. There is no defense against because it pits the strength of the man against himself. It is done by a creature that looks similar to a man but has a heart and spirit that is from another place. It is ALL about selection, it is important to teach our young men about this so they will select well or only accept selection from worthy women. The success of our sons is MUCH more about this than any degree or other training. If I would ever see this creature with my son I will interfere. It can be seen easily or detected by those that understand even in others who are not our partner, as the energy of other men are accepted by this hungry creature who innocently does nothing to stop or avoid it. Better that the son hates the father then to have his spirit and ability to progress crushed by a creature such as this. The man that has not learned will not see it. I know from first-hand experience; both not knowing and knowing.

I know well that those that have already lived it already know and those that have not will scoff.

A simplified translation in modern words of that txt.

Sirach 25:23-25 Good News Translation (GNT)
23 A bad wife will make her husband gloomy and depressed, and break his heart. Show me a timid man who can never make up his mind, and I will show you a wife who doesn't make her husband happy. 24 Sin began with a woman, and we must all die because of her. 25 Don't let a bad wife have her way, any more than you would allow water to leak from your cistern.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes. There is much wisdom in the ancient txt. Some of the things such as this are timeless and also often glossed over. I believe this is a lesson that will not be learned except by experience. Because for the man that has not lived it, he will believe that he and his frame and his arrogance will protect him. Only when experiencing will a man understand. This is one of the most heartbreaking and cruel situations, with long-lasting pain and suffering equal to physical torture. Even for the man who has a harem(lot of plates), this can happen. There is no defense against because it pits the strength of the man against himself. It is done by a creature that looks similar to a man but has a heart and spirit that is from another place. It is ALL about selection, it is important to teach our young men about this so they will select well or only accept selection from worthy women. The success of our sons is MUCH more about this than any degree or other training. If I would ever see this creature with my son I will interfere. It can be seen easily or detected by those that understand even in others who are not our partner, as the energy of other men are accepted by this hungry creature who innocently does nothing to stop or avoid it. Better that the son hates the father then to have his spirit and ability to progress crushed by a creature such as this. The man that has not learned will not see it. I know from first-hand experience; both not knowing and knowing.

I know well that those that have already lived it already know and those that have not will scoff.

A simplified translation in modern words of that txt.

Sirach 25:23-25 Good News Translation (GNT)
23 A bad wife will make her husband gloomy and depressed, and break his heart. Show me a timid man who can never make up his mind, and I will show you a wife who doesn't make her husband happy. 24 Sin began with a woman, and we must all die because of her. 25 Don't let a bad wife have her way, any more than you would allow water to leak from your cistern.

Sirach 25:25 will keep a man good...

 

[Means1988]

My theory has been this:

She wants to see you fail. Which sounds ridiculous but hear me out. Whatever her natural instinct says, it says to get away from you. She needs you to fail, to see the weakness as you say, so she can detach herself.

There have been a lot of stories: “I hurt my back, then lost my job, wife left me”, etc.
I have a childhood friend who is a body builder. Dude is buff as hell, very positive, manly, etc. Couple of years ago he was in a bad car accident, where he was in a coma for a long time. He had to learn how to walk again, his eyes are running a little to the side now. At the time of occurrence his wife was there daily, hoping he survives, and so on. Luckily he did, but they aren’t together anymore, and she is with someone else and brings their daughter for him see here and there. He has been rebuilding his body back, working around the house, etc. I’m proud of him after witnessing this tragedy, but it was hard to believe that the mother of your child was sitting there crying and upset over what had occurred to you, and didn’t give it a chance to see you rebuild, and is with someone else.

As tribes used to be, men and women shared each other for reproduction. Today as we live in this society of “soul mates” and crap, women need to see you fail so they can detach from you. Again this is just my theory and I can be fully wrong about it.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My theory has been this:

She wants to see you fail. Which sounds ridiculous but hear me out. Whatever her natural instinct says, it says to get away from you. She needs you to fail, to see the weakness as you say, so she can detach herself.

There have been a lot of stories: “I hurt my back, then lost my job, wife left me”, etc.
I have a childhood friend who is a body builder. Dude is buff as hell, very positive, manly, etc. Couple of years ago he was in a bad car accident, where he was in a coma for a long time. He had to learn how to walk again, his eyes are running a little to the side now. At the time of occurrence his wife was there daily, hoping he survives, and so on. Luckily he did, but they aren’t together anymore, and she is with someone else and brings their daughter for him see here and there. He has been rebuilding his body back, working around the house, etc. I’m proud of him after witnessing this tragedy, but it was hard to believe that the mother of your child was sitting there crying and upset over what had occurred to you, and didn’t give it a chance to see you rebuild, and is with someone else.

As tribes used to be, men and women shared each other for reproduction. Today as we live in this society of “soul mates” and crap, women need to see you fail so they can detach from you. Again this is just my theory and I can be fully wrong about it.

If they are waiting for you to fail then it's bad energy which makes bad things more likely to happen. This is not a supportive energy that amplifies you. It's a negative energy that fault finds and does not reward. The reverse of this is a wife who likes to see you get better. Likes to see you win. She won't leave your side because your past deeds and actions have value. I know they aren't building them like this anymore.

 

[Means1988]

If they are waiting for you to fail then it's bad energy which makes bad things more likely to happen. This is not a supportive energy that amplifies you. It's a negative energy that fault finds and does not reward. The reverse of this is a wife who likes to see you get better. Likes to see you win. She won't leave your side because your past deeds and actions have value. I know they aren't building them like this anymore.

No they’re not my friend. I remember watching a video like decades ago about a lion that was the most fearful lion that researchers followed. Eventually a younger lion came and fought him. While younger lion had more stamina older like had experience but ran out of energy. He messed up the younger lions face badly, but walked away with his head down as he could no longer fight. The younger lion decided to attack the child lions that were clearly weaker, but the lionesses that had so much respect for the old lion, and not this one attacked this younger lion and tore him apart, and then they growled to call the old lion to come back.

it’s fascinating

 

[jaymbrs]

I must have a special one then. My grandfather just passed away and I couldn't hold back tears a couple of times when being around a woman I'm seeing. Her maternal side came out and she did what she could to provide comfort. I think it's acceptable to show emotion in situations like this but the important thing is to return to normal. No person man or woman want to be around someone who is moping all the time, no matter what it's about.

 

[The Duke]

Very good. There were some psychological tricks and manipulations that are "their" bread and butter and go tos. Many have anxiety, they will try to get on your nerves to give you anxiety and some how thru the power of psychology it reduces theirs. They are highly stressed, they will dump a big pile of dung on you to stress you highly, and somehow thru "transference" they feel less stress and you feel more. They do these tricks for a lot of their feelings. Guilt, inadequacy, fear, etc.

In the book Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars it talks about this in the context of how women deal with problems. They form groups and/or use other individuals to offload stress. Men don't. Men isolate and use physical activity to blow off steam.

 

[Avocadow]

In a way it seems to be like we would feel about male leaders that we pick. If a boss, mentor or political leader you look up to was to break down and show sadness, powerlessness we might feels sorry for them but lose respect?
mid that makes sense women have feelings for us as long as we can remains the leader she can look up to?

 

[dude99]

I‘ve experienced a similiar situation last year.

When my mother got sick and I had to cancel the wedding and needed time for myself she went ballistic against me. She openly told me, she‘s pissed because she‘s not the focus of my life.

I‘m reading lots of parallels regarding this situation in this thread.

Bad relationship to her father, fear of abandonment, missing attention, loss of control...

Hope I‘ve got some time these days to go in deeper on this thread.

I hope you didnt marry her after that display of deplorable behaviour.

Your paragraph describing her, bad relationship with her father, fear of abandonment, ect etc.....that is the recipe for Borderline personality disorder.

 

[xplt]

I hope you didnt marry her after that display of deplorable behaviour.

Your paragraph describing her, bad relationship with her father, fear of abandonment, ect etc.....that is the recipe for Borderline personality disorder.

I ended this relationship last july. She was unable to forgive me the canceled wedding and one night out with the buddies without her. It was impossible to find a solution with her, whatever I tried failed. She made an on-off thing out of our relationship and did other things that killed my trust completely. Paradox behavior like harsh discussions till exhaustion and wanting to cuddle afterwards, discussing our problems in front of her whole family... I had finally enough and left her. If I knew what I know today, I had seen this coming. The way she treated me in the end was kind of the same treatment her father gets from her

 

[BeExcellent]

Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately, my question still remains unanswered.
It's pretty much elemental that women want a solid and consistent man (yin/yang) and not a male equivalent counterpart. And while I agree with the above consensus, this is pretty much a given and does not explain this particular female behavior.

So far, the only theory I can surmise is that certain women may have masculine resentment. envy or jealousy. This is not some veiled way to self-proclaim myself as the poster-adult for masculinity or anything.. but it's the only explanation (so far) that comes to mind. I'm still open to other theories if any one reading this has one.

@Kotaix We share the same theory about avg. to lower IQ men in regards to female lay success. When I want to increase my odds at getting laid with some random gal, I always drink . The drinking isn't due to gaining new-found 'courage'... but because women are attracted to dumb and drinking dulls the brain. Before anyone reading gets into a tizzy and takes personal offense, I'm referring to random lay type women and not potential relationship type women.

Since (so far) the question remains unanswered, I'm going to tag a member that may perhaps offer an alternative perspective. @BeExcellent

My apologies for arriving late to this thread. I missed the alert due to goings on in my personal affairs. I agree strongly with @metalwater in his analysis. Real strength from a real man, a solid man reveals itself in vulnerability. A woman must have tremendous respect for a man in order to comfort him, defend him, nurture him and protect him in his vulnerable moments. She is his safe harbor and his guardian during these times.

Think of the movie Walk the Line and the scene where June Carter Cash runs bad men off at gunpoint while Johnny Cash is laid up going through drug withdrawals. That his being his protector and guardian during his vulnerability and that should be revered. She is his champion in that moment because of her love and respect for him.

A woman who deeply loves and respects her man will nuture, support, protect and defend him in his trials and his times where life is difficult, burdensome and uncertain. She is steadfast and loyal.

If she picks at him she doesn’t love him or respect him. If a woman acts as @Black Widow Void notes in his OP? She’s seeking to exploit you as a man.

Run fast and run far from her.

Real love is rooted in respect and will nuture, defend and protect no matter what emotions a man needs to show. She is his safe place to do so.