Is the thrill of the Bad Boy so overwhelming that even smart women fall for them?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading this, and it got me interested:

Valedictorians | In college, Boston valedictorians are often lost

Getting into college is just the first hurdle. Fitting in and thriving can prove even tougher.

apps.bostonglobe.com

Tavares had surpassed expectations. The teenager from a tight-knit Cape Verdean family had risen to become the 2005 valedictorian at the John D. O’Bryant School of Mathematics and Science, one of the city’s three prestigious exam schools. She had a 4.76 GPA and was the pride of her family.

She had been laboring through the clinical portion of her psychology studies, which had intensified along with her duties in the dorm. She was also stressed out over some personal problems: Her boyfriend in Boston was in jail again.

 

[Visionist]

Absolutely. In fact I wager that the more clean cut a girl is, the more likely she is to be attracted to subversive, fringe types. Classic counter culture conditioning.

So long as the guy is good looking and popular this obviously applies. Even if he's a weirdo, so long as he represents rebellion against her upbringing, she might just go for him. Eventually of course she realises she needs a provider to feed the kids she had with him, and seeks to lock down a betabux type. She'll joyously fúck a guy beneath her on the success ladder, but not marry him.

That's why gangsters are so irresistible to women (gangsters - not gangstas. Gangstas are less desirable because of racism). Gangsters are edgy and dangerous and at the same time have money and status. They don't even need to be good looking at that point, although of course it helps.

TLDR - good girls love bad boys.

 

[AttackFormation]

Eventually of course she realises she needs a provider to feed the kids she had with him,

Hahahahaha

 

[Dash Riprock]

The allure of the bad boy is far more common for young, immature women. The woman in the article is college-aged, case in point.

At some point, most quality women (except for the low self esteem loser type women who subconsciously love to get abused) outgrow this phase. Don't confuse bad boys for confident men. Bad boys are often immature, confused, broke, man-boys who make bad decisions and f*uck themselves. Over time, most women just get sick of them. But, a strong, confident, take-no-s*hit man who has a life and his s*hit together is highly alluring at any age for any woman.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The allure of the bad boy is far more common for young, immature women. The woman in the article is college-aged, case in point.

At some point, most quality women (except for the low self esteem loser type women who subconsciously love to get abused) outgrow this phase. Don't confuse bad boys for confident men. Bad boys are often immature, confused, broke, man-boys who make bad decisions and f*uck themselves. Over time, most women just get sick of them. But, a strong, confident, take-no-s*hit man who has a life and his s*hit together is highly alluring at any age for any woman.

This is so cope. You’re insecure about being older, and as such you are no longer able to truly have that bad boy status anymore because of it, so you put them down in an attempt to downplay their success in order to rationalize to yourself that they really aren’t all that. Fact is, women still love bad boys regardless of age. It doesn’t matter if she’s 23, or 123 lol. The whole ‘outgrowing this phase’ thing with women isn’t that they are no longer attracted to these types of guys, it’s just that they realize they can’t take care of them. In other words, they only “outgrow” it once they start looking for that beta bux. All you gotta do is go on r/PurplePillDebate and see what some women say, it’s completely self-aware hypergamy. I recall one woman (stated she was early 40s, single mom) saying that her perfect guy is probably some dreamy skater type with long hair, but that she knows he can’t take care of her so she’s just gonna marry some guy who she has chemistry with, isn’t unattractive or **** in bed, and has good money instead once she’s done having sex with tons of men. She also literally said that she can’t even pairbond anymore because of how many men she’s had, and laughed about it too lol. Degeneracy personified. But it hundreds of upvotes, with replies from other women saying similar things. There’s tons of examples like that when you look for it. The only “maturing” and “growing up” that happens when women supposedly “outgrow” their desire for the bad boy is just when they start hitting the wall. That’s it. And we all know that only means they’re looking to settle, not that they really like the guy. Deep down inside, they all still want that dreamy skater kid or that bad boy in a leather jacket, all that’s happened is that they realized he’s not a viable option long term. Doesn’t mean they don’t want him though. That’s why they’ll always cheat on you—cuz you’re not him. The bad boy is much more attractive than the confident ‘good guy’ who has his shit together, end of.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

This is so cope. You’re insecure about being older, and as such you are no longer able to truly have that bad boy status anymore because of it, so you put them down in an attempt to downplay their success in order to rationalize to yourself that they really aren’t all that. Fact is, women still love bad boys regardless of age. It doesn’t matter if she’s 23, or 123 lol. The whole ‘outgrowing this phase’ thing with women isn’t that they are no longer attracted to these types of guys, it’s just that they realize they can’t take care of them. In other words, they only “outgrow” it once they start looking for that beta bux. All you gotta do is go on r/PurplePillDebate and see what some women say, it’s completely self-aware hypergamy. I recall one woman (stated she was early 40s, single mom) saying that her perfect guy is probably some dreamy skater type with long hair, but that she knows he can’t take care of her so she’s just gonna marry some guy who she has chemistry with, isn’t unattractive or **** in bed, and has good money instead once she’s done having sex with tons of men. She also literally said that she can’t even pairbond anymore because of how many men she’s had, and laughed about it too lol. Degeneracy personified. But it hundreds of upvotes, with replies from other women saying similar things. There’s tons of examples like that when you look for it. The only “maturing” and “growing up” that happens when women supposedly “outgrow” their desire for the bad boy is just when they start hitting the wall. That’s it. And we all know that only means they’re looking to settle, not that they really like the guy. Deep down inside, they all still want that dreamy skater kid or that bad boy in a leather jacket, all that’s happened is that they realized he’s not a viable option long term. Doesn’t mean they don’t want him though. That’s why they’ll always cheat on you—cuz you’re not him. The bad boy is much more attractive than the confident ‘good guy’ who has his shit together, end of.

Alot of the bad boy shyt is not together. How can he get away with it and the cleaner cut sharper dude with his shyt together can't? A sharper dude can't have a strong enough sexual image?

 

[Dash Riprock]

This is so cope. You’re insecure about being older, and as such you are no longer able to truly have that bad boy status anymore because of it, so you put them down in an attempt to downplay their success in order to rationalize to yourself that they really aren’t all that. Fact is, women still love bad boys regardless of age. It doesn’t matter if she’s 23, or 123 lol. The whole ‘outgrowing this phase’ thing with women isn’t that they are no longer attracted to these types of guys, it’s just that they realize they can’t take care of them. In other words, they only “outgrow” it once they start looking for that beta bux. All you gotta do is go on r/PurplePillDebate and see what some women say, it’s completely self-aware hypergamy. I recall one woman (stated she was early 40s, single mom) saying that her perfect guy is probably some dreamy skater type with long hair, but that she knows he can’t take care of her so she’s just gonna marry some guy who she has chemistry with, isn’t unattractive or **** in bed, and has good money instead once she’s done having sex with tons of men. She also literally said that she can’t even pairbond anymore because of how many men she’s had, and laughed about it too lol. Degeneracy personified. But it hundreds of upvotes, with replies from other women saying similar things. There’s tons of examples like that when you look for it. The only “maturing” and “growing up” that happens when women supposedly “outgrow” their desire for the bad boy is just when they start hitting the wall. That’s it. And we all know that only means they’re looking to settle, not that they really like the guy. Deep down inside, they all still want that dreamy skater kid or that bad boy in a leather jacket, all that’s happened is that they realized he’s not a viable option long term. Doesn’t mean they don’t want him though. That’s why they’ll always cheat on you—cuz you’re not him. The bad boy is much more attractive than the confident ‘good guy’ who has his shit together, end of.

A ripe old 21 and got all the answers, huh guy?

Ok. Then you don't need SS, do you.

 

[Who Dares Win]

What no woman can stand is weakness while what every woman appreciate is strenght.

This comes even before LMS however LMS often are connected to the general strenght (Im not talking about his biceps) of a man.

A violent pusher with a criminal record is perceived as stronger than a nice guy who works at the bank and wear an horizontal stripes tshirt on saturday even if they have the same look.

 

[Hal9000]

Women can't help what makes them moist and if that's a penniless street criminal who slaps them around when he gets drunk then that's who they are gonna give it up to. Of course when it inevitably doesn't work out its proof that men are scum or that the dating world is unfair, blah blah blah.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Nah. You guys are over analyzing this. Women like strong men. At that age, strong men only exist as bad boys. The strong gentlemen have not yet reached that point of their development yet.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

A ripe old 21 and got all the answers, huh guy?

Yessir haha

I mostly just point out things not considered before. Got get all angles.

Ok. Then you don't need SS, do you.

I’m here for other self-improvement/development reasons.

Alot of the bad boy shyt is not together. How can he get away with it and the cleaner cut sharper dude with his shyt together can't? A sharper dude can't have a strong enough sexual image?

He can get away with it because you’d expect him to be ‘that way’, so to speak. You wouldn’t expect the man with his **** together to act in the same way as a bad boy simply because it’s out of character. You have to be congruent with your personality.

These words don’t make sense to a lot of people because it’s so abstract (and because it doesn’t fully describe it), but basically, when you do something, you need to “seem like that type of person” who would do that thing, whatever it is. it shows authenticity.

I could go on and on about this for hours because you could say women like guys who are unpredictable. But while unpredictability is a good trait to have since you don’t want women/people to ‘figure you out’, it’s more so about giving them that instant gratification, which is more along the lines of spontaneity/daringness (because it’s fun to be spontaneous and shows strength when you are daring [plus it gives you and her that rush], i.e. attractive) and actually being a real/self-assured person who isn't just another recycled personality like everyone else (because then it shows you aren’t just doing things a certain way because it’s the thing to do; most people are like this, and that means they’re swayed easily i.e. weak; being real and self/assured means you aren’t a fake person, and that also means when you say/do something, you can be trusted with it because you’re more sincere about about it and more likely to be sure of that decision).

So obviously nuance is important with this. There’s tons of other stuff too, this is just scratching the surface, but yeah. When I give a response on here, all these things go through my mind at once. I just don’t always quantify it into words because it’d take too much time. I think this happens to most people tbh but they’re just too lazy to be intuitive enough to articulate them like I do, and aren’t willing to challenge their current mental paradigms as much as me either. RIP.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

At some point, most quality women (except for the low self esteem loser type women who subconsciously love to get abused) outgrow this phase.

Paradox; once women are older, they're not high quality.

 

[derby1]

my mom is 72 and her whole world lights up when the lad 3 doors down pulls up in his BMW convertible, and his ralph lauren tracksuit on
If he says helllo to her she doesnt shut up for the rest of the day

looks money status

 

[Visionist]

Saw a hardcore video with a Too Adorable For Porn blondie (with the real blonde eyebrows and everything) who looked about 18 or so having a doped up Latino thug pissing and spitting in her mouth, and her hungrily swallowing the lot with a smile and a gleam in her eye. Another girl soon joined in. Dude looked totally off his head on drugs, but of course he was muscly and tattooed.

Girls are desperate for depressants.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Paradox; once women are older, they're not high quality.

It really depends what you're definition of high-quality is. There are a lot of moving parts to that.

I'm in my 40's and see hot attractive women around my age all the time. But I do live in arguably the fittest city in the entire US (pop. 100,000) so everyone is really active, in shape, and takes care of themselves. The obesity rate where I live is probably 1-2%, lol.

Another thing I've learned is the whole "wall" thing is really a fallacy. Just another term developed by frustrated AFC's and beta males because they aren't man enough to attract a woman or land a date.

Not to be a d*ick, but I realize it's hard for guys in their teens and 20's to comprehend that a woman over 35 can be fit and attractive with a good personality. But I'm here to say then can and they're out there.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

It really depends what you're definition of high-quality is. There are a lot of moving parts to that.

I'm in my 40's and see hot attractive women around my age all the time. But I do live in arguably the fittest city in the entire US (pop. 100,000) so everyone is really active, in shape, and takes care of themselves. The obesity rate where I live is probably 1-2%, lol.

Another thing I've learned is the whole "wall" thing is really a fallacy. Just another term developed by frustrated AFC's and beta males because they aren't man enough to attract a woman or land a date.

Not to be a d*ick, but I realize it's hard for guys in their teens and 20's to comprehend that a woman over 35 can be fit and attractive with a good personality. But I'm here to say then can and they're out there.

I mean, I'm almost 30 and I already find most women over 23,24 to already start to show signs of decline not only in terms of looks but their overall femininity, which I value a lot. To me, the ideal women is 17-22 ish in most cases. That said, there are of course women in their 30s who have a combination of sexy, classy, feminine, intelligent, idiosyncratic, sane characteristics, but they seem rare to me, and I live in a city with very attractive women as well.

 

[Visionist]

I'm 31 and find women my age or older an automatic turnoff. Even if they're slim, single and childless.

It must be the traditional masculinity in me that won't accept playing second fiddle in any prospective relationship with a woman. I actually treat all older women as if they were younger and weaker than me. Anything from 50 year old family mothers to 32 year old "alternative" types with green hair and sinistroid leanings, right the way to those power hungry "working" women who wear suits and ties and can't find a man. It doesn't matter. I treat them all as feminine and submissive beings, even if they obviously aren't.

But not ugly, overweight dykes. Had a horrible experience with one at university who never gave me peace. She hated me, hated what I stood for. She was scum.

 

[bcude]

Intelligence and rational thinking takes the back seat when emotions take over, this is especially true for a being that by design is a slave to her emotions and deeply craves the emotional roller coaster that a 'bad boy' (ie a guy that knows how to trigger the spectrum of different emotions in her) can provide. This is a short answer.

Agree with posters above. Older age and quality is not something that correlates well with women, quite the opposite. Sure, there are women who're attractive, fit, intelligent with seemingly good personalities out there, but this is just on the surface. The baggage of failed relationships/divorces and the damage of too many coocks increase with age, they become more and more jaded with every partner, baby rabies and pretty much most women between 30-40 have an agenda of securing a stable provider to settle down with before it's too late, which means she's on her best behavior until that agenda is fulfilled and you finally get to know the real person (and it's too late for you). You'll never get her best, unlike you do with a man. They're not even more mature with age since they lack accountability and self-reflection to learn from their mistakes.
The only advantage i can see is that you've more in common with a woman closer to your age than a much younger one and this is quite a big argument for me personally so i don't dismiss them totally. My last LTR was with a 34 year old which was just a constant headache and the baggage was too much to deal with in the end. @Desdinova figured this stuff out to perfection.
Men age like good wine - women age into vinegar.

 

[metalwater]

Not to be a d*ick, but I realize it's hard for guys in their teens and 20's to comprehend that a woman over 35 can be fit and attractive with a good personality. But I'm here to say then can and they're out there.

physically, yes. Emotionally/spiritually.. I don't know...

They can be the best physically and really fun, adventurous, flirty, all things that are exciting. Will, they ever be satisfied with me or you or any one of us that are not in the 1%. I don't know... I think if it was yes; this forum doesn't exist.

The men in 1% group for any category; have the same problems...

 

[metalwater]

Why are you guys so concerned with what works for other guys and debating over it? If you have the value then you should know what works. It’s not either/or, it’s both/and. Any guy with any type of value whether looks or masculine edge has value and will appear to some demographic of women.

because it's interesting to debate it and none of us have all or I mean all of the right answers. common unsolvable problems are better accepted in a group. Yes there are options for anyone, that can notice.