BLM, Racism, riots, entitlement's etc

[Epicenter]

Yup, everyone is against this including this Black show host. This is not a Black and White issue, this is a stupidity issue.

People who do this should have their BLM status revoked. They don't represent BLM and are garbage.

Probably you will not see this in liberal mainstream media. So the viewers don't know this kind of things happen. They think ererything is nice and dandy with BLM. So the thugs can be part of the BLM and not much happens.

 

[Epicenter]

 

[corrector]

Open letter that deals with BLM: This is copy and pasted over a website from Hillsong church and thought it was interesting.

Dear Friend

I am writing to you today in regard to the ongoing issue of racism in our society that has been highlighted by the tragic and senseless deaths of Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd, amongst many others. It is never easy to put language to an issue of this magnitude, but silence is never the solution and we are committed to being a Church that refuses to neglect its responsibility to the mandate of the Gospel.

Racism is an injustice that impacts all nations and our hearts are with our Church family around the world who have been deeply affected by recent events. Whilst I will never truly know the pain and suffering of the black, indigenous and people of colour in our communities, we are committed as a Church to playing our part in seeing racism eradicated. Without question, all lives do matter, but until that becomes a reality, we will continue to say black lives matter and work to that end – because until black lives matter, all lives don’t matter.

I want to let you know that I am on a journey with this also. I am WILLING to learn, and WILLING to admit we don’t have all the answers. I recognise that some people have been hurt by the delay in our response as a Church, but I want you to know that is not indicative of our stance on this issue. I want to commit to leading you well and with wisdom – we want to take steps forward to ensure we are proactive on this issue, but we want to ensure the steps we take are the right ones, and for me that will take some time.

Our pastors and our team are wholeheartedly leaning into the conversations being had, are committed to being a church that is outwardly active in our fight against racism and facilitating any change necessary. We DO care, we DO see you and hear you – Hillsong Church is and has always been a church that celebrates diversity, abhors injustice and welcomes all. We wholeheartedly condemn the sin of racism, both implicit and explicit – the very nature of racism is an affront to the Gospel and there is zero tolerance for it in our Church or culture.

As the Senior Pastor of a global church I realise that our policies, actions and commitments moving forward will look different in each local context. As a church founded in Australia, it is imperative that we also hear the plight of our Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people and seek further reconciliation and understanding.

In all of this, I want you to know that Bobbie and I are praying that this moment in history will be a significant moment of lasting transformation and change. It’s time to take positive action and stand against this. We love our church and are praying for everyone affected.

Can I encourage you to take time this week to look after your own soul – put on some praise and worship in your home and lift your eyes and your spirit to the God of all HOPE, PEACE and COMFORT. A God who is committed to JUSTICE and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Over 2000 years ago Jesus Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice so that we could be set free from sin and death. He didn’t do this for any specific group of people, but for all humankind. In God’s eyes every one of us, irrespective of colour, was made in His image. What a beautiful thought – that we are all valued and loved by God equally. This is why I believe so passionately in His Church.

And please, reach out to your local pastors with prayer requests and needs – prayer and worship is a powerful weapon – and the church buildings may be closed, but we are here for you always.

With Love,

Brian

 

[zekko]

Without question, all lives do matter, but until that becomes a reality, we will continue to say black lives matter and work to that end – because until black lives matter, all lives don’t matter.

First off, why is he saying black lives don't matter? Who the heck thinks black lives don't matter?
Secondly, he said all lives matter. He should be careful, people have been cancelled for that.

 

[Epicenter]

First off, why is he saying black lives don't matter? Who the heck thinks black lives don't matter?
Secondly, he said all lives matter. He should be careful, people have been cancelled for that.

Actually he changed it in the sentence to all lives don't matter till black lives matter.

 

[zekko]

Actually he changed it in the sentence to all lives don't matter till black lives matter.

Yeah, I got that, but there seems to be an underlying assumption that black lives don't matter. I object to that, and any presumption that this would be the prevailing attitude, even among the police that they are vilifying so much. If there's one group of people that I am really concerned about out of all this, it's the police. They're being treated so shabbily, and very much like their lives don't matter, we're not going to have any left. Which, I guess is the goal for a lot of the protesters.

 

[Epicenter]

Yeah, I got that, but there seems to be an underlying assumption that black lives don't matter. I object to that, and any presumption that this would be the prevailing attitude, even among the police that they are vilifying so much. If there's one group of people that I am really concerned about out of all this, it's the police. They're being treated so shabbily, and very much like their lives don't matter, we're not going to have any left. Which, I guess is the goal for a lot of the protesters.

I agree

 

[corrector]

Yeah, I got that, but there seems to be an underlying assumption that black lives don't matter. I object to that, and any presumption that this would be the prevailing attitude, even among the police that they are vilifying so much.

Here is an ex officer's testimony on the subject. His name is Michael Wood and he used to work for the Baltimore police.

This is a testimony from former Detective Joe Crystal who lost his job because "he did the right thing":

 

[Epicenter]

 

[Epicenter]

Don't get shocked guys this is a far left guy. He is the most popular debater in youtube. Anyway here he talks about the natives. Interestingly he doesn't even think about integrating them. He seems to think it's not possible. It's a strange position for lefties:

 

[Spaz]

Don't get shocked guys this is a far left guy. He is the most popular debater in youtube. Anyway here he talks about the natives. Interestingly he doesn't even think about integrating them. He seems to think it's not possible. It's a strange position for lefties:

The natives in America has it good, with their reservation + federal funding, maybe so good that they became comfortable and then laziness ensued.

I do wonder if they'll ask for quotas in the work place, like women has.

 

[Epicenter]

The natives in America has it good, with their reservation + federal funding, maybe so good that they became comfortable and then laziness ensued.

I do wonder if they'll ask for quotas in the work place, like women has.

It seems many native tribes have difficulties to adapt to a modern society specially when the colonizers are a bit too much cut throat I guess. It seems to have worked a bit in New Zealand though the Maori were quite developed in comparison to other natives. Lately they found out that they had discovered South America.

Anyway I am reading little bit history and some interesting things are there that I didn't see in the movie "Patriot" with Mel Gibson. The natives fought on the side of the British.

The explanation seems to be:
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Trade and Land. The British promised trade and protection of the Indian's land. The American Colonists kept pressing westward and north into the Indian lands.
Explanation:
After the French and Indian Wars The British in 1763 drew a line along the Appalacan Mountains making it illegal for the Colonists to settle west of the mountains. This made the Indians happy and the Colonists furious. The Colonists did not honor the law making the Indians angry with the American Colonists.
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[Spaz]

It seems many native tribes have difficulties to adapt to a modern society specially when the colonizers are a bit too much cut throat I guess. It seems to have worked a bit in New Zealand though the Maori were quite developed in comparison to other natives. Lately they found out that they had discovered South America.

Anyway I am reading little bit history and some interesting things are there that I didn't see in the movie "Patriot" with Mel Gibson. The natives fought on the side of the British.

The explanation seems to be:
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Trade and Land. The British promised trade and protection of the Indian's land. The American Colonists kept pressing westward and north into the Indian lands.
Explanation:
After the French and Indian Wars The British in 1763 drew a line along the Appalacan Mountains making it illegal for the Colonists to settle west of the mountains. This made the Indians happy and the Colonists furious. The Colonists did not honor the law making the Indians angry with the American Colonists.
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In times past, there were many regrettable incidents that shouldn't hv happen but it has happened, and because of that we now know better how to conduct ourselves.

It's time for backward natives that lives off the land to embrace changes, as we all do.

The same goes for blacks or any other community that feels they're being oppressed.

Some of those who are oppressed like the kurds by Saddam, for sure they need a helping hand to get on their feet.

But for the rest who has modern society abt them, with access to education, electricity, healthcare and law, they must and should grab the opportunity to rise up.

They feel they're been neglected? Rise up and you will be respected. Racism for most part will vanish.

Once upon a time, people laughed at Chinese products, Siemens laughed at Huawei in the late 80's through the 90's, calling it inferior. Now where are they? Everyone is buying Huawei telecommunications equipment, which is vastly cheaper, easier to install and of equal quality if not superior.

Now Huawei is respected around the tech world, even when the US bans it, people are still buying it.

Because there's a much deserved respect.

 

[Epicenter]

In times past, there were many regrettable incidents that shouldn't hv happen but it has happened, and because of that we now know better how to conduct ourselves.

It's time for backward natives that lives off the land to embrace changes, as we all do.

The same goes for blacks or any other community that feels they're being oppressed.

Some of those who are oppressed like the kurds by Saddam, for sure they need a helping hand to get on their feet.

But for the rest who has modern society abt them, with access to education, electricity, healthcare and law, they must and should grab the opportunity to rise up.

They feel they're been neglected? Rise up and you will be respected. Racism for most part will vanish.

Once upon a time, people laughed at Chinese products, Siemens laughed at Huawei in the late 80's through the 90's, calling it inferior. Now where are they? Everyone is buying Huawei telecommunications equipment, which is vastly cheaper, easier to install and of equal quality if not superior.

Now Huawei is respected around the tech world, even when the US bans it, people are still buying it.

Because there's a much deserved respect.

I guess we don't have the science to integrate them. Modern world is also difficult for modern people. Our brain is basically a monkey brain. Sometimes these cultures might show us that there should be safe spaces where people can take things slower and has to accept everything modern.

Some alternatives should be thought. We are not just individuals we are also groups. So let's see what ideas might come in the future.

Of course we are part of the darwinian cruel development as well. We have to strive to find a balance.

 

[corrector]

Native Americans have worst police kill statistics than Black people. Black Lives Matter also apply to Native Americans.

The forgotten minority in police shootings | CNN

Native Americans are killed in police encounters at a higher rate than any other racial or ethnic group, according to data from the CDC.

www.cnn.com

The Dakota Pipeline police brutality against peaceful protests are documented here:

Native Americans are supporting the Black Lives Matter movement:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/indigenous-support-black-lives-matter-1.5598570

The rightful people to complain that BLM is racist because they are only singling out Black people and think they have a special case above anyone else is Native Americans. They are the ones to say "All Lives Matter", why did you leave our names out, but are they really from the above argument? Of course not! They, being particularly affected by police brutality see absolutely no issue with the name of a movement that is meant to protect their lives too.

 

[Spaz]

You gonna tell us?

I like the suspense and mystery...

 

[Spaz]

I guess we don't have the science to integrate them. Modern world is also difficult for modern people. Our brain is basically a monkey brain. Sometimes these cultures might show us that there should be safe spaces where people can take things slower and has to accept everything modern.

Some alternatives should be thought. We are not just individuals we are also groups. So let's see what ideas might come in the future.

Of course we are part of the darwinian cruel development as well. We have to strive to find a balance.

Sure, it has to be done in baby steps, but they have to expose themselves and integrate with modernisation, find the right fusion.

 

[Alvafe]

I like the suspense and mystery...

ah that moment you notice its easier to keep people in control when you make then powerless, following history here, at least you have good intent and is trying to develop not only your riches but also your comunity union and knowledge, at very least you know and take care to keep a deterrent, I can take some guesses on how you are keeping people around in good term, some trade and defense pacts do wonders.

but unfortunally that can't translate in today society, you very least are trying in good faith improve your land, politicians today only care about keep they money and power, plus we know very well laws ARE broken daily, some minor, others no so much, in case of weapons, banning weapons will not prevent criminals from using then, but it WILL make then bolder, knowing they targets can't protect thenselfs (remember the deterrent here also works), sometimes you don't need to use a weapon, your enemy knowing you own said weapon, and is willing to use is what make it work, if you own a weapon but your enemy knows you will not use it, be by being afraid or can't on said moment will make the attack come.

today letting goverment and people in power keep all means of protection, not only force you to depend on someone who don't care about you, makes you a slave for a illussion of segurity, with is shatered daily when you know someone was mugged or robbed, most people belive police is protection, its not, the best is a remedy, at worse is a tool from state to keep people in control

 

[metalwater]

I like the suspense and mystery...

are you treating us like girls... ba..

 

[Spaz]

Seems to be working...