Unable To Use Tinder Unless I Agree With BLM Movement!

[zekko]

What about Malcom X? Malcom X says Martin Luther King Jr was too soft and a more violent approach was necessary.

I understand the philosophy behind a violent approach, but I much admire Martin Luther King. I can't say Malcom X has influenced me at all, although I'm sure I would not be his target audience. But I firmly believe Martin Luther King was a great man, and we sorely miss leadership like his today.

I read earlier you were from Canada, I wasn't aware you lived in Canada. It's probably much easier to imagine abolishing or defunding police in Canada, the US is full of very violent people.

“I don’t see color” is a racist statement. Whether you choose to admit or not, society treats black people differently than white people. That is fact.

I don't dispute your second statement, although I don't believe that police are killing black people in an unusual rate compared to whites, the statistics don't support that. Blacks make up 13% of the population, but account for over half the violent crime. Blacks account for a little less than a third of people killed by police. So the number falls in between where you might expect it to. Obviously more encounters lead to a more chances for things to go wrong. And I haven't seen firm numbers on this, but I would be willing to bet that blacks are far more likely to resist arrest. You are far less likely to be killed by a policeman if you are cooperative, so that's all a factor. Given all that, no sane person would expect only 13% of police fatalities to be black. I have heard police are more hesitant to use lethal force against minorities, because of the potential fallout - I know I would be.

Whatever, none of that means there isn't racism. If you could reduce the crime rate in dense urban areas, that would probably save more lives than anything. Which is why many are calling for putting more money into the communities. LeBron James is giving money to pay for education, a worthy cause.

Regarding "I don't see color" being racist. I would see being colorblind as being a worthy goal, I would like to see people as individuals based on their merit, not on the color of their skin. Martin Luther King said something to this effect in one of his famous speeches, but I don't remember the exact quote. That was a goal of some of the civil rights movements when I was growing up. I don't see that so much anymore, people want to be calling more attention to someone's skin color, not less. Which I do not agree with.

How is opposing state violence against black people a Marxist dream?

It's not. But BLM was founded by Marxists, and many current members have an aggressive Marxist agenda. These are the people behind defacing national monuments and toppling statues IMO, because they want to remove democracy and its symbols. Since you've claimed that right wing militants are behind the violence, I take that to mean you disapprove of the violence and destruction, for which I applaud you. Finding ways to reduce police killings is good, but I cannot support the more radical elements.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's not. But BLM was founded by Marxists, and many current members have an aggressive Marxist agenda. These are the people behind defacing national monuments and toppling statues IMO, because they want to remove democracy and its symbols. Since you've claimed that right wing militants are behind the violence, I take that to mean you disapprove of the violence and destruction, for which I applaud you. Finding ways to reduce police killings is good, but I cannot support the more radical elements.

Statues of Confederate generals are not national monuments nor are they symbols of democracy. They are traitors and losers. Those who defend confederate monuments are endorsing treason.

 

[zekko]

Statues of Confederate generals are not national monuments nor are they symbols of democracy. They are traitors and losers. Those who defend confederate monuments are endorsing treason.

I wasn't talking about the confederates, I was talking about statues of Washington, Lincoln, Grant, Jackson, Jefferson, Francis Scott Key, and others. And for some reason, they've defaced statues of Mahatma Ghandi, Miguel de Cervantes, Arnold Schwarzenegger, abolitionist abolitionist Matthias Baldwin, etc. And sprayed graffiti on numerous national monuments. Not to mention setting fire to St. John's Church and trying to turn it into an autonomous zone. Recently spokesmen for BLM have been calling for the removal of all representations of "white Jesus", whatever that is.

I understand why they want to get rid of the confederate generals, but I'd rather see it done the proper way. Destruction of public and private property is a violation of people's rights.

 

[Serenity]

Recently spokesmen for BLM have been calling for the removal of all representations of "white Jesus", whatever that is.

Really? I don't care how many black Jesus are out there, them wanting to eliminate white Jesus is racist. Particularly because they discriminate based on race.

For all I care they can remove all representations of Jesus, there are more important things in real life than some ancient work of fiction.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I wasn't talking about the confederates, I was talking about statues of Washington, Lincoln, Grant, Jackson, Jefferson, Francis Scott Key, and others. And for some reason, they've defaced statues of Mahatma Ghandi, Miguel de Cervantes, Arnold Schwarzenegger, abolitionist abolitionist Matthias Baldwin, etc. And sprayed graffiti on numerous national monuments. Not to mention setting fire to St. John's Church and trying to turn it into an autonomous zone. Recently spokesmen for BLM have been calling for the removal of all representations of "white Jesus", whatever that is.

Statues of terrible men shouldn’t be standing. I don’t think everyone on that list is terrible but my point was clear earlier: It’s not worth shedding a tear over a Columbus statue being ripped to shreds. As for Jesus, you do know what the actual historical flesh And blood Jesus looked like, right?

I understand why they want to get rid of the confederate generals, but I'd rather see it done the proper way. Destruction of public and private property is a violation of people's rights.

Did you ever consider the “proper way” has been tried and failed for decades and those monuments are still standing?

 

[Hal9000]

How is opposing state violence against black people a Marxist dream?

Burning down buildings, looting stores, and tearing down statues has more to do with Marxist ideals than solving violence against black people. The people running BLM are avowed and proud Marxists. No offense but if you think their end game has anything to do with improving black lives then you're pretty naive. When they start protesting Planned Parenthood (which kills millions of black babies every year) , demanding better policing (as opposed to none whatsoever) for minority communities, and start to extol the virtues of the nuclear family (as opposed to their stated goal of dismantling them),the destruction of which is perhaps the single biggest reason for black poverty/crime then perhaps they'll convince those of us who are sympathetic to their plight, but will never kneel before a mob of criminals and anarchists, of their sincerity.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Let’s cut the BS and bring some receipts. You’re making up garbage at this point. This post is a dumpster of logical fallacies, lies, and mindless drivel.

Burning down buildings, looting stores, and tearing down statues has more to do with Marxist ideals than solving violence against black people.

Cite an official Marxist text that endorses burning down buildings and looting. Then, you must address the next point:

The people running BLM are avowed and proud Marxists.

Black Lives Matter is an official activist organization. Cite any public spokesperson from the organization declaring it as advicate for Marxism.

No offense but if you think their end game has anything to do with improving black lives then you're pretty naive.

Then what is their endgame? Please provide the source.

When they start protesting Planned Parenthood (which kills millions of black babies every year) ,

Don’t bring up irrelevant subjects. Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter.

demanding better policing (as opposed to none whatsoever) for minority communities, and start to extol the virtues of the nuclear family (as opposed to their stated goal of dismantling them),the destruction of which is perhaps the single biggest reason for black poverty/crime then perhaps they'll convince those of us who are sympathetic to their plight, but will never kneel before a mob of criminals and anarchists, of their sincerity.

None of these accusations are consistent with what is stated by the organization:

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Now, you are free to disagree with any of their stated policy positions but it is disingenuous to make up lies as your sole basis of attack. That is called a strawman argument. Your post is littered with them. If their policies truly have no merit, it would be easy to stick to criticizing the substance of those policies.

 

[Glassguy]

I would love for you to show me where right wing extremists are burning down buildings. Sorry but another false and completely idiotic statement from you.

The right wing has been to busy AT WORK to go loot, steal, kill people and riot. THUGS.

@EyeBRollin Still waiting on an answer to this.

 

[Kotaix]

BLM and all the people talking about "racial justice" are just out to grab power

Black Lives Matter is an official activist organization. Cite any public spokesperson from the organization declaring it as advicate for Marxism.

Here you go, straight from the horse's mouth.

Don’t bring up irrelevant subjects. Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter.

Planned Parenthood is the single greatest killer of blacks, they just get them in the womb.

You're being willfully ignorant or disingenuous. There are many black commentators who say that welfare encouraging single black mothers to pump out illegitimate fatherless kids as a source of income, and the destruction of the black family units are THE biggest cause of the current plight of the black community in america.

 

[Zontyy]

Don’t bring up irrelevant subjects. Planned Parenthood has nothing to do with Black Lives Matter.

Planned parenthood is the number one killer of Black Lives. Please explain to me how the number 1 killer of black lives which is also federal funded by the government is irrelevant.

Don't you think if the BLM movement cared as much as you say they do that they would want to get rid of greatest threat to black lives in america that un-ironically is funded by the government.

 

[Xenom0rph]

The BLM movement, like Feminism, has been hijacked and is being used as a political tool by those in power. Both movements started out with good intentions to seek equality, but now have morphed into a destructive force.

 

[EyeBRollin]

BLM and all the people talking about "racial justice" are just out to grab power

Another false accusation.

Here you go, straight from the horse's mouth.

You may want to listen to that a second time, better yet read the transcription.

Planned Parenthood is the single greatest killer of blacks, they just get them in the womb.

Abortion not the topic of this debate.

You're being willfully ignorant or disingenuous. There are many black commentators who say that welfare encouraging single black mothers to pump out illegitimate fatherless kids as a source of income, and the destruction of the black family units are THE biggest cause of the current plight of the black community in america.

Another strawman argument. That opinion is not an official position of black lives matter. You’re flailing around incoherently at this point.

 

[corrector]

Planned parenthood is the number one killer of Black Lives. Please explain to me how the number 1 killer of black lives which is also federal funded by the government is irrelevant.

Unless there is a Nazi government ordering all Black babies have to be aborted, you can't impugn the government for causing those abortions. People causing those abortions are the baby's mothers, not the government.

When an police officer murders a civilian, then the police officer is acting with state sanctioned violence, especially if they don't have any consequences, or any serious consequences. In this case, you can say the government is killing Black people.

The argument about abortion can lead to a second amendment being retracted and all guns confiscated because people can commit suicide with guns. Just because people commit suicide with guns, doesn't mean the second amendment is to blame for suicides, or the government is causing suicides. People with free agency use guns and decide to end their life, then its their fault, not the government. Same thing with mothers and their own children.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Planned parenthood is the number one killer of Black Lives. Please explain to me how the number 1 killer of black lives which is also federal funded by the government is irrelevant.

Don't you think if the BLM movement cared as much as you say they do that they would want to get rid of greatest threat to black lives in america that un-ironically is funded by the government.

This is not an abortion thread. Read the official list of BLM policy positions. You’ve been given the link.

 

[corrector]

Yeah, abortion and black on black crime are normal deflection arguments. Yet those arguments fail to consider that police have sworn an oath to serve and protect, they are often bullies that pick on people who have racist mothers and are used to getting away with stuff in life and end up with that job so they can continue bullying other people, that this is becomes government sanctioned murder whenever police get away with that stuff and you start saying the victim was a criminal anyway.

These same people can not answer " Why does the USA even have Capital Punishment? " , and claim its for serious crimes like murder and then have a zillion unofficial state sanctioned executions for trivial crimes like a counterfeit $ 20.00 bill or selling loose leaf cigarettes and not paying taxes, picking up a toy-gun at Walmart, or a kid playing with a toy gun at a park or some other very trivial issue? That is what is in effect happening when people say a Black person is a criminal who deserved to die over a crime that is not murder. Then you don't have a fair Death penalty system. So lets call it what it is, Black people (and others who are subject to police brutality) have to worry about making any trivial offense, real or otherwise, because you are now subject to a death penalty. Some malicious person can call 911 and falsely claim you have a weapon.

 

[Kotaix]

That opinion is not an official position of black lives matter. You’re flailing around incoherently at this point.

So only the official position of blacks lives matter matters? You're so unbelievably biased it's not even funny.

 

[Zontyy]

It's ignorant to think that abortion and the destruction of the family unit in general along with socialism doesn't promote racism. Number 1 killer of blacks is abortion a government policy. Welfare another government policy has lead to destruction of the family unit in black communities along with providing less job opportunities and creating a culture of entitlement. Welfare also promotes racism between Whites and Asians who see a minority population who's majority is on welfare benefits. Then you have socialist/racist policies like diversity/racial quotas instead of being based on merit this also promotes racism, asians really get screwed over here by latinos and blacks. Divorce courts, child support and alimony all destroying the family unit.

If you really want to help black lives and generally everyone. You would de-fund abortions and welfare, use that money to invest in poor communities to bring back jobs and education. Jobs would bring back self respect along with pride and respect for community. Poverty would be lower so crime would drop as well since there is a direct correlation. If you removed child support and alimony women would be careful on who they choose as a partners and would stick with their husband's/man since he would be a provider with a job. Fathers would then be a thing again in the black community and crime would drop. Remove socialist policies like diversity quotas and racist views would drop as well. All of these government policies that you think is helping the black man is killing him. Some of these policies are killing america.

Socialism works only in countries with very little diversity. This is america we are all about diversity!

 

[EyeBRollin]

So only the official position of blacks lives matter matters? You're so unbelievably biased it's not even funny.

Wrong. You guys are doing the rhetorical dances. You disagree with BLM yet make up lies about their policy positions. That’s why the website was offered. You have a right to disagree with their actual policies; there is no need to distort them. The distortions suggest you can’t articulate what exactly you disagree with.

 

[Zontyy]

People with free agency use guns and decide to end their life, then its their fault, not the government. Same thing with mothers and their own children.

A person using a gun is killing themselves is suicide if it was a different person it would be a murder. A mother killing her child is killing a different person not themselves. If if the mother wanted to kill herself sure go for it. Killing her child is different, of course this will turn into the debate of when does life begin etc etc etc.

 

[EyeBRollin]

It's ignorant to think that abortion and the destruction of the family unit in general along with socialism doesn't promote racism. Number 1 killer of blacks is abortion a government policy. Welfare another government policy has lead to destruction of the family unit in black communities along with providing less job opportunities and creating a culture of entitlement. Welfare also promotes racism between Whites and Asians who a see a minority population who's majority is on welfare benefits. Then you have socialist/racist policies like diversity/racial quotas instead of being based on merit this also promotes racism, asians really get screwed over here by latinos and blacks. Divorce courts, child support and alimony all destroying the family unit.

If you really want to help black lives and generally everyone. You would de-fund abortions and welfare, use that money to invest in poor communities to bring back jobs and education. Jobs would bring back self respect along with pride and respect for community. Poverty would be lower so crime would drop as well since there is a direct correlation. If you removed child support and alimony women would be careful on who they choose as a partners and would stick with their husband's/man since he would be a provider with a job. Fathers would then be a thing again in the black community and crime would drop. Remove socialist policies like diversity quotas and racist views would drop as well. All of these government policies that you think is helping the black man is killing him. Some of these policies are killing america.

Socialism works only in countries with very little diversity. This is america we are all about diversity!

A person using a gun is killing themselves is suicide if it was a different person it would be a murder. A mother killing her child is killing a different person not themselves. If if the mother wanted to kill herself sure go for it. Killing her child is different, of course this will turn into the debate of when does life begin etc etc etc.

Bro, this is not an abortion thread. Let me help you out:

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

This is one of the first listed policy positions on BLM official website. It was stated a few pages back that black lives matter is racist. What about this position is racist?