George Floyd Riots: A Possible False Flag?

[Bible_Belt]

What happened to Bible_Belt? Did he finally realize he was wrong about everything, and self-destruct?

They banned me for not being a right winger like everyone else here.

 

[Spaz]

They banned me for not being a right winger like everyone else here.

I'm continously perplexed by you guys freely chaining urself to either right or left philosophy.

Seems downright stupid.

It gives men like me tremendous power over all of you chained men if I wanted to be in politics.

And I could pull those chains whenever I wanted.

 

[Spaz]

I don't disagree, but you and I have the benefit of hindsight and bleacher seats. They made mistakes. There may have been no good choices. We'll never know. Charging 4 cops for murder and hate crimes is way over the top, though, in the Floyd case.

I think its a leadership problem within the police force.

What the bottom rung does is always a reflection of the top.

If the top is perceived to be corrupt, the bottom will practise corruption.

If the top is perceived to be highly professional and doesn't brook nonsense, the bottom rung will act in tandem.

It is the job of the leadership to set the rules, train their people, etc.

Can I as upper management in my own company only know how blame my frontline staff if I continue to receive complaints that they are rude and lazy ?

Similarly applies to other organisations, doesn't matter if its the police, KFC, McDonald's or the fire department.

 

[Mike41090]

Try visiting Japan, the land of sake, go ahead and do the same.

You won't be shot, I can almost guarantee that.

And yet, they have one of the lowest if not the lowest cases of homicide worldwide.

Police shootings are rare to almost non existent.

Don't forget, its also the land of the Yakuza.

There is far more violent crime in the U.S. then the majority of countries in the world. Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the Yakuza more of an organized crime group? I doubt “beat” cops or patrol cops Deal with them on a daily basis. The Yakuza are most likely dealt with by investigative units if I had to say. Could be wrong though.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I don’t necessarily conclude it, I highly assume it. I’d be shocked if it was a light record.

Don’t listen to him, he’s from Sweden. They don’t have any of those problems over there lol

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

But no, they had to make the arrest and kill him and put the community at danger.

Yes, let’s just let drunk criminals who resist arrest and steal police officer’s weaponry go. That will DEFINITELY keep the community safe. Arresting a man who was so drunk that he fell asleep at the wheel? Totally harmless to society. Right.

Like honestly people, do you hear what your saying? Smfh...

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

I gotta be honest guys. When I saw the George Floyd video, I didn’t really feel **** lol. I was honestly wondering how he died just like that, cuz I’ve seen so many other instances where cops and/or soldiers had a person on the ground in the same exact position and they were just fine. It’s not a comfortable position, but they were perfectly fine. I’ve also seen much worse stuff too if I’m being honest, it may have numbed me. My sister said the same thing too right after we watched it lol I consider it a coup de grâce if I’m being honest. Yeah, the dude might’ve technically died from asphyxiation, but that dude had just the weakest diaphragm ever if that makes you stop breathing. Having drugs in his system like that (esp a downer like fentanyl) likely ****ed with his motor system making his diaphragm muscle weaker.

 

[zekko]

Yes, let’s just let drunk criminals who resist arrest and steal police officer’s weaponry go. That will DEFINITELY keep the community safe. Arresting a man who was so drunk that he fell asleep at the wheel? Totally harmless to society. Right.

Yeah, I'm really disturbed by the narrative that they should have let this guy go. A couple of other falsehoods I'm hearing:
The media is emphasizing that he was shot in the back, which is true. But he had turned to the side to fire the taser at the officer. For awhile I was hearing that he had only aimed it, but I saw the video again, and he clearly fired it.

The other thing is I keep hearing it described as a stun gun, when it was a taser. I'm no expert in the terminology here, but "stun gun" gives the impression that it's something you have to get up close to someone and press it into them. As opposed to a taser, which fires the electrical contacts into a person from some distance.

I saw his wife and four children on the news also. If he has a wife and four children, why is he out driving drunk at night? And what was the point of resisting arrest? I'm sure they knew who he was by that time anyway, at that point he was just piling on charges, not to mention risking his life. I'm not saying he deserved to be shot, but why are these guys held up as heroes, and why don't they carry any accountability for their actions?

I'm no lawyer, so I'm learning some things as I go on. One thing I've learned is that apparently resisting arrest is not a serious charge, fighting with the police is not a serious charge, and shooting a policeman with a taser is not a serious charge. If all this has convinced me of anything, it's that it should be.

 

[FairShake]

Yes, let’s just let drunk criminals who resist arrest and steal police officer’s weaponry go.

As opposed to killing him and fanning the flames faster in the most challenging social period in modern American history. This keeps happening over and over again, the police refuse to learn a better way and we will all end up being worse off for it the more it all falls apart.

Police have agency. They have training. They have legal protections (for now). It's on them to make the better decisions. Take the guy's keys and let him sleep it off and we all go home with our jobs and our lives tonight. Let him run and we arrest him with more manpower and planned on our own terms. These guys need to think and not just react.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Don’t listen to him, he’s from Sweden. They don’t have any of those problems over there lol

I thought the swedes were all happy cucks?

 

[zekko]

Police have agency. They have training. They have legal protections (for now). It's on them to make the better decisions. Take the guy's keys and let him sleep it off and we all go home with our jobs and our lives tonight.

I agree the police are going to have to take up a new kinder, gentler mindset. Now if we're going to suddenly decide we're going to be okay with drunk drivers on the road, we're going to have to live with the increase in fatalities. But if that guy had driven on the highway and killed a family instead of passing out in a Wendys drivethru, no one would give a sh!t. It wouldn't be on the national news, no one would be marching through the streets, and no one would have burned down the Wendys.

 

[Spaz]

I agree the police are going to have to take up a new kinder, gentler mindset. Now if we're going to suddenly decide we're going to be okay with drunk drivers on the road, we're going to have to live with the increase in fatalities. But if that guy had driven on the highway and killed a family instead of passing out in a Wendys drivethru, no one would give a sh!t. It wouldn't be on the national news, no one would be marching through the streets, and no one would have burned down the Wendys.

You're talking abt a future that didn't happened and making urself get all rile up over nothing.

Why don't I add something like the car engine could have exploded and kill everyone in Wendy's? That too is a possible future.

How about a plane falling off the sky and hitting your home?

Deal with a specific situation so that those possible future/s doesn't occur or the likelihood of it happening greatly decreases.

 

[zekko]

You're talking abt a future that didn't happened and making urself get all rile up over nothing.

You're saying I'm riled up, but I'm not the one who burned down Wendys. As I've said, I know several people whose children were killed by drunk drivers, so no I don't think it's a stretch to think that allowing drunk drivers on the rode might result in some traffic fatalities,

When I saw the George Floyd video, I didn’t really feel **** lol.

I was disgusted by the George Floyd video, as was most of the country, maybe the world. But this new video is a completely different animal.

 

[Spaz]

You're saying I'm riled up, but I'm not the one who burned down Wendys. As I've said, I know several people whose children were killed by drunk drivers, so no I don't think it's a stretch to think that allowing drunk drivers on the rode might result in some traffic fatalities.

There's only 1 issue here, and that's shooting by police on those cases.

Drunk driving is a different issue, there are many variables and plenty of countries have tried various methods to suppress it - because only suppression is viable unless an outright ban on alcohol is initiated.

 

[zekko]

There's only 1 issue here, and that's shooting by police on those cases.

Drunk driving is a different issue

I brought up the drunk driving because I kept seeing commentators saying Brooks was no threat to the public. But he was driving drunk, which is why he passed out in the Wendys drive thru. If we are going to repeal all laws against drunk driving, so be it, but be sure we know what we are getting into.

I don't think the officer should have shot Brooks, I don't think that was good police work, I have no problem that he was fired. But if I understand the law correctly, he didn't break any laws by firing his weapon. But it looks like he will likely be prosecuted, probably as a political decision.

What he did was assault two police officers, which is a felony, with each count carrying 3-5yrs; if convicted on counts, he could've been looking at 10 yrs,

I'm no lawyer. I saw a woman on TV saying resisting arrest, and firing a taser at a police officer, were both misdemeanors. I have no idea if she was right. Perhaps stealing a weapon from an officer is a felony, and assaulting an officer is a felony, maybe that's the distinction.

 

[Spaz]

I brought up the drunk driving because I kept seeing commentators saying Brooks was no threat to the public. But he was driving drunk, which is why he passed out in the Wendys drive thru. If we are going to repeal all laws against drunk driving, so be it, but be sure we know what we are getting into.

I don't think the officer should have shot Brooks, I don't think that was good police work, I have no problem that he was fired. But if I understand the law correctly, he didn't break any laws by firing his weapon. But it looks like he will likely be prosecuted, probably as a political decision.


I'm no lawyer. I saw a woman on TV saying resisting arrest, and firing a taser at a police officer, were both misdemeanors. I have no idea if she was right. Perhaps stealing a weapon from an officer is a felony, and assaulting an officer is a felony, maybe that's the distinction.

Those are side issues to the main issue.

Drunk driving is a menace to society and to those drivers themselves, I don't think any right minded persons should dispute that.

As for the police officer in Floyd's case, they rightfully should be charged.

As for the 2nd case, its highly subjective, on one hand they did acted professionally (in my opinion) but fvcked it up in the end, the sad part is those officers were young men on the cusp of their lives.

If I was in charge, I'd put the leadership on trial and charge with jail time.

I can almost guarantee that issues like this will not cropped up after a few years.

It's always those at the lower rung of the ladder who gets to be the scapegoat, especially when it comes to government agencies.

 

[zekko]

If I was in charge, I'd put the leadership on trial and charge with jail time.

I can almost guarantee that issues like this will not cropped up after a few years.

I don't think charges should be filed in this case, although I'm sure there will be.
The cops were playing under the rules that exist now. The cop shouldn't go to jail because society is wanting to change the rules.
Losing his job is fine, that was not good police work.

If I stretch my imagination, maybe I could imagine manslaughter, but that is a big stretch.
If he gets charged with murder, something smells bad. That indicates they're just bowing to the rioters.
The Floyd killing was horribly disturbing, this is a different kettle of fish.

 

[Spaz]

The cops were playing under the rules that exist now.

And that's the problem.

Losing his job is fine, that was not good police work.

I don't think they should lose their jobs 1st, optics might be bad but they both rightfully should be placed on administrative leave until an independent internal review is done, they themselves must be allowed to defend their position.

If they are following a set of SOP's then a retraining should be put into effect that puts emphasis on how to defuse situations such as these without the use of lethal weapons.

The 2 cops doesn't come across as malicious but were actually trying to do their job, which they did at the beginning but things went out of hand - and this is what they sorely need to train in.

 

[zekko]

And that's the problem.

Okay, but I don't like seeing all cops demonized. Let's get the new rules in place first and then see how they do.
But my concern is they will all be judged by a few freak incidents (or a few bad cops) that will inevitably occur. You can train people all you want, but an @sshole is still an @sshole.

I don't think they should lose their jobs 1st, optics might be bad but they both rightfully should be placed on administrative leave until an independent internal review is done, they themselves must be allowed to defend their position.

Last I heard, the shooter was fired, and his partner got put on desk duty. I can't imagine what anyone could say his partner did wrong.
I'm sure he's on desk duty to keep a controversial face out of the public.

 

[Spaz]

Okay, but I don't like seeing all cops demonized. Let's get the new rules in place first and then see how they do.
But my concern is they will all be judged by a few freak incidents (or a few bad cops) that will inevitably occur. You can train people all you want, but an @sshole is still an @sshole.


Last I heard, the shooter was fired, and his partner got put on desk duty. I can't imagine what anyone could say his partner did wrong.
I'm sure he's on desk duty to keep a controversial face out of the public.

Cops are being demonised due to their processes.

It's the same thing if you were to go to a particular Burger King outlet and continously find flies/worms in ur lettuces mixed with mayonnaise.

Did the worker who followed their SOP in preparation made a mistake?

Or was he being callus?

Whatever it is, a comprehensive review is needed right?

And the leadership at Burger King will make damn sure it doesn't happen again, which in all likelihood won't.

Similarly, the leadership at the top of the police force needs to be held accountable and at the same time instead of defunding the police force, more funds are needed for some new training.