George Floyd Riots: A Possible False Flag?

[zekko]

Even though you're likely correct in that the National Guard is probably sufficient, assuming the bulk of the police force stops treating peaceful protesters as the same level of enemy combatant as the violent ones. Until they stop being reactive, this tinderbox will continue to burn.

On that note, I've seen a lot of footage of these protests, and I've noticed a very common occurrence. A protester, or more likely several of them, will go up to an officer or National Guardsman, get into their personal space and start yelling at them, often with a phone in hand to film their reaction. Or they will have someone else with a phone, filming them while they seemingly try to goad them into some sort of reaction.

Why are they doing those? These guys are just people with jobs and families to support. They didn't kill George Floyd. What purpose are they serving trying to goad them? This seems hypocritical if they supposedly want peace, or people not to be killed.

Personally I don't find this a "laughing stock" with my perspective. What this does is just once again remind me of the deep gratitude I feel to be from Sweden. In all my 27 years of life here despite being brown I have never had to think about police harassment, never felt the smallest worry that it would happen.

I don't think there is any country on Earth that has as diverse a population as the USA right now. The US is nicknamed the "melting pot". That is both our strength and our weakness, apparently.

 

[Medina]

The biggest lesson is that multiculturalism doesn't work and it never has. It is the basis of almost every internal conflict in history

Germans couldn't live with Jews
Irish Catholics couldn't live with Protestants
Indian Hindus couldn't live with Muslims
Jews couldn't live with Palestinians
Scots couldn't live with the English
Americas problem is a black/white one

Unfortunately, of course

 

[Papa_smu]

The biggest lesson is that multiculturalism doesn't work and it never has. It is the basis of almost every internal conflict in history

Germans couldn't live with Jews
Irish Catholics couldn't live with Protestants
Indian Hindus couldn't live with Muslims
Jews couldn't live with Palestinians
Scots couldn't live with the English
Americas problem is a black/white one

Unfortunately, of course

Correction, jews had a hard time living with anybody. It's really too bad that wast he case

 

[Who Dares Win]

The biggest lesson is that multiculturalism doesn't work and it never has. It is the basis of almost every internal conflict in history

Germans couldn't live with Jews
Irish Catholics couldn't live with Protestants
Indian Hindus couldn't live with Muslims
Jews couldn't live with Palestinians
Scots couldn't live with the English
Americas problem is a black/white one

Unfortunately, of course

Agree.

Different people forced to cohexist in a limited space leads ton conflict.

Diversity is not a value but a problem wheter we talk about a nation or work environment.

Diversity does not enrich, it simply complicate things in terms of goal achieving or simple communication.

No riots or terrorism attacks in poland while plenty in france or england...wanna know which one is the difference?

 

[Medina]

These groups live together just fine in many places and have over eons. The conflict is sewn by governments and politicians who make a living off of this stuff and a few nut jobs who feed off of it. Then it's hyped by the media. Most people day to day aren't looking to start a pogrom.

I agree that divide and conquer is a tool used in history but you can't say these groups have lived together peacefully for eons, that's just false

Jews, Gypsies, English, Irish etc have been pitchforked long before the introduction of political systems

 

[DelayedGratification]

Why are they doing those? These guys are just people with jobs and families to support. They didn't kill George Floyd. What purpose are they serving trying to goad them? This seems hypocritical if they supposedly want peace, or people not to be killed.

Because disproportionate force by police is a culture, and even simple inaction by police against this culture makes them complicit. Just as inaction against racial injustice makes society complicit. It's also symbolic of the original act: the police in question were acting out against violent offenders which they undoubtedly encounter on a regular basis. But George Floyd was not one of those violent offenders, he was an ordinary man with people who cared about him.

The only correct response to merely being non-violently goaded by a protester is to keep the moral high ground and not react. That is the one thing that will demonstrate to a protester that the individual police officer being provoked is not going to respond with disproportionate force.

The next step is to do what happened in Flint and elsewhere, where police proactively showed solidarity with the peaceful protestors.

 

[zekko]

I don't know, I think this is something we tell ourselves and believe but may not be totally true. I live in a big city in Europe and we have blacks, Latinos, Asians, Arabs, etc., etc., and people get along fine and you rarely see this stuff from the police.

Most people get along just fine. There are a few bad eggs, but those few are too many, and we've seen the result. The US is a violent country, unfortunately.

Because disproportionate force by police is a culture, and even simple inaction by police against this culture makes them complicit. Just as inaction against racial injustice makes society complicit.

I see the sense in that. But by that logic, everyone not out protesting is guilty and should be a target. And it seems to justify aggression by one human against another - something they're supposed to be protesting. And those were aggressive acts, even if there was no physical contact, although in many cases there were, and invading someone's body space is aggressive. Let someone invade your body space for long periods of time to see if you react, and see how you deal with it. Reminds me of some protesters during the Vietnam War, a somewhat friendlier approach:

Numerous police officers have been assaulted or shot during these riots. That violence is wrong, just as what happened to George Floyd is wrong. I've never been a huge fan of the police, but I can't condone the violence against them. They're humans like the rest of us.

Unfortunately, it feels like America's experiment with freedom has failed.

 

[FairShake]

I don't know, I think this is something we tell ourselves and believe but may not be totally true. I live in a big city in Europe and we have blacks, Latinos, Asians, Arabs, etc., etc., and people get along fine and you rarely see this stuff from the police.

Europe is having it's own problem with racial intolerance and segregation though and it seems, from the outside, to be getting worse. That said your Arabs, Blacks, and Latinos moved to Europe. They chose to come there. Our Blacks, indigenous, and Latinos were conquered or shipped here. May have been forgiven but not forgotten and it will always play a part in how we interact politically.

Another big differences. Guns. You guys don't have them. We do. The cops are scared of guns and use that fear to take away our rights. Despite "muh 2nd Amendment secures muh freedum" they use "he's got a gun" to incarcerate more of us and for longer terms, make an excuse to shoot us, and dress and arm themselves like they are ready to invade Iraq.

 

[FairShake]

I've never been a huge fan of the police, but I can't condone the violence against them.

I'm gonna sound horrible here but if a precinct here or there gets torched or a police car here or there is smashed up...I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I don't do it and won't do it but can you really blame people?

Not death mind you.

 

[zekko]

I'm gonna sound horrible here but if a precinct here or there gets torched or a police car here or there is smashed up...I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I don't do it and won't do it but can you really blame people?

I understand the anger, but I will not condone the violence. The taxpayers paid for those police cars and precincts, so they are stealing from all of us. To say nothing of the poor business owners who have had their buildings burned, looted, or vandalized. Some have been attacked physically. We need to solve the underlying problems, but the violence should not be tolerated.

 

[FairShake]

To say nothing of the poor business owners who have had their buildings burned, looted, or vandalized. Some have been attacked physically. We need to solve the underlying problems, but the violence should not be tolerated.

That's the rub. Targeting police, who even non-violent people might think deserve it, leads to targeting everyone. As much as I'd like to see a "clean" riot where only police get (lightly) smashed I don't know if that can ever exist.

 

[zekko]

Targeting police, who even non-violent people might think deserve it, leads to targeting everyone. As much as I'd like to see a "clean" riot where only police get (lightly) smashed I don't know if that can ever exist.

As I said, I'm not a huge fan of the police. But not every cop is bad, I'm sure most are just normal people trying to do their job. That's the problem with targeting police, you're punishing the just along with the unjust. Most of those cops do not deserve to be targeted, they're just stuck in the middle of a lousy situation. I share the anger (and sadness) over what happened, but I will not support rioting. Protesting is good, rioting is not. Unfortunately, it appears most of the protests have turned violent.

Besides which, the problem is not simply police, but the entire legal system which has not held bad cops accountable.

 

[DelayedGratification]

I see the sense in that. But by that logic, everyone not out protesting is guilty and should be a target. And it seems to justify aggression by one human against another - something they're supposed to be protesting. And those were aggressive acts, even if there was no physical contact, although in many cases there were, and invading someone's body space is aggressive. Let someone invade your body space for long periods of time to see if you react, and see how you deal with it.

Well, for the oft-repeated comparison, a month ago there were statehouses stormed by heavily-armed angry white men. They got into the policemens' faces as well. And the police took the high ground by being non-reactive. Seems if they can do that, having a cell phone waved in your face is a walk in the park.

Again, the difference here is that the police are taking it personally, and are defending their own status quo. Which in itself is not ok, and even worse to be doing it by becoming violent with peaceful, unarmed protesters.

Numerous police officers have been assaulted or shot during these riots. That violence is wrong, just as what happened to George Floyd is wrong. I've never been a huge fan of the police, but I can't condone the violence against them. They're humans like the rest of us.

Not condoning actual violence against the police officers as well. But the stark contrast in their behavior between last month's protests and the current ones is too big to sweep under the rug.

 

[zekko]

Not condoning actual violence against the police officers as well. But the stark contrast in their behavior between last month's protests and the current ones is too big to sweep under the rug.

I don't think you can compare the scale of the lockdown protests with what's going on now. And those did not feature the widescale violence and rilting we're seeing now either. And the anger then was not directly aimed at the police either, so I'm not surprised the tone is a bit different.

I was very surprised they allowed armed men into the Michigan Capitol Building during the lockdown protests. The weak response then drew a lot of criticism, so that's another reason things are being handled differently now.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Sometimes Im not sure if someone of you accidentaly miss points or willingly chose to do so.

In a situation we have far left extremists, black supremacists and random violent thugs that HATE the police and celebrate when one of them is taken down and whos only purpose is looting, and attacking people especially cops.

In the other one we have conservative armed rednecks, armed law abiding citizens and armed veterans that respect both the police and the army and complain about politicians and policies with no other goal while keeping in mind that those in uniforms are just working.

Then you are surprised why the police is concerned in some cases and its relaxed in the other?

Anyone who has an average IQ and honesty can see what is the point.

 

[redskinsfan92]

Want my honest opinion? Police are out of control in the U.S. and race isn't the only issue. My brother was once illegally tackles, hancuffed, car searched, then told to have a nice day. His stuff lay in the parking lot. Even the spare tire.

 

[JayAce]

I’ve never had a positive experience with a cop. I’m a white guy. My sample size is small. Only 3-4 experiences with them. None positive though.

 

[stovepipe]

I've said before. A lot of Cops are Free Masons who worship Lucifer. When I sold one of my cars the guy ended up being a cop. I started a conversation about police corruption. I told him I've noticed most cops are corrupt who do not follow the oath they took cause most were bullied or never got laid, so they take their anger out others by using their power to make themselves feel good. He replied, "listen, I've seen stuff and experienced stuff I can't tell you that goes on among officers, what I tell you is the Police is the biggest gang in the world who can basically do whatever they want with little to know repercussions for their actions".

I've known some cops in my time. One obvious thing is most of them were bullied in school, never got laid, dont know how to talk to women, are insecure or just hate themselves. One cop I knew who was an extremely humble man told me I'm spot on with what I said. Same Cop told me he follows the speed limit when he drives and all his cop friends call him on the radio while hes driving to make fun of him cause he plays the rules, while the others drive wrecklessly and break the rules every single day on the job.

Today I watched videos of Cops taking bricks out of their Police car and placing them in certain areas to entice rioters. Video of Cops dropping off pallets of bricks. Videos of Cops destroying their own Cop car and spray painting "black lives matter on it". Videos of white Antifa handlers giving black men cash to do as they say for rioting. Look, it all comes down to Free Masonry, worshiping the Devil, money and power. Money is the 1# tool to get people to do things they never in their life thought they'd do. You might release a virus for a million bucks. What about $10 million, 15 or $20. Most everyone can be bought.

There is a spiritual war going on right before our eyes. Each evil plan they release, they blame on the President in hopes to take their set back in order to complete their agenda. It's become so obvious whats going on that the world is finally waking up to see the truth. All the lies, corruption, manipulation, deception, gas lighting, their agenda, ect. All of it is coming to the surface for the world to see.

Most all the videos exposing the truth are getting taken down as fast as they get uploaded. It's becoming really difficult to find the truth online. The original of this clip got deleted by the poster. Only a small clip is left on their channel as they deleted all their videos. But this one is a great in depth view on Free Mason Officers. Audio is not that great but thankfully this guy downloaded the original and reuploaded it. I forgot to download it when I originally watched it Went back days later only for it to be deleted from all the channels that had it.

 

[EyeBRollin]

America's lack of intellectuals in places of power or in places to really speak truth to power is the real problem.

Anti-intellectualism is in some ways an American identity.

 

[zekko]

Want my honest opinion? Police are out of control in the U.S. and race isn't the only issue. My brother was once illegally tackles, hancuffed, car searched, then told to have a nice day. His stuff lay in the parking lot. Even the spare tire.

I appreciate your saying that, because I know a few white guys who have been the victim of police brutality. To be fair, they weren't killed, but one was crippled. I keep hearing guys say "I can't imagine this happening if George Floyd was white". And I think really? Because I sure could. I have no idea if the cop who killed him had racial motivations or not, by all accounts the guy was a colossal prick.

I’ve never had a positive experience with a cop. I’m a white guy. My sample size is small. Only 3-4 experiences with them. None positive though.

I could have said that about 20 years ago. Since I've gotten older, I've been pulled over a few times, and I noticed they were much friendlier and more respectful now that I have some gray in my hair. When you're a younger guy, they probably see you as some punk. Of course, I'm more law abiding now than when I was younger. I might be only 10 mph over the speed limit now, whereas when I was younger it might have been 40. I've also learned it's best to have your license and registration ready when the officer reaches your window. Little things like that can make a big difference.