Reply rates have really went down on OLD. What's going on?

[biggoal]

So I'd say the last 4 months my reply rates on OLD have gone down a lot! I was probably at like 10-15 percent on OLD and only messaging at a min HB 7.5 to 9. Nothing above a 9 because they don't exist on OLD and that is a lot better than the PUA estimates of 2-5 percent for "strong" profiles. Last summer and fall I was doing pretty well on Match, OKcupid, and Facebook dating. Btw FB Dating looked pretty promising when it first launched. The quality of women was decent actually and easy to get a reply from when leaving a photo comment. Now FB dating is mostly ugly landwhales and fatties. That tanked.

Heck, and last summer when I first started really using it I even had garbage photos like the one in my avatar and my reply rate was a lot better.

I do notice the quality and quantity of women have gone WAY down the last few months on OLD. Can that be an issue too when there is a lot less to go around and more guys swarming them?

Am I the only one noticing a lot less decent women lately on OLD?

I did change my profile summary wording as well and I think that affected it as well. I might go back to my old profile summary that seemed to get better results. The thing is that I get women who look at my profile without me even messaging them. So obviously initially when they see my face it gets their interest level because I use good, clear photos and have a near perfect smile.

 

[RickTheToad]

So I'd say the last 4 months my reply rates on OLD have gone down a lot! I was probably at like 10-15 percent on OLD and only messaging at a min HB 7.5 to 9. Nothing above a 9 because they don't exist on OLD and that is a lot better than the PUA estimates of 2-5 percent for "strong" profiles. Last summer and fall I was doing pretty well on Match, OKcupid, and Facebook dating. Btw FB Dating looked pretty promising when it first launched. The quality of women was decent actually and easy to get a reply from when leaving a photo comment. Now FB dating is mostly ugly landwhales and fatties. That tanked.

Heck, and last summer when I first started really using it I even had garbage photos like the one in my avatar and my reply rate was a lot better.

I do notice the quality and quantity of women have gone WAY down the last few months on OLD. Can that be an issue too when there is a lot less to go around and more guys swarming them?

Am I the only one noticing a lot less decent women lately on OLD?

I did change my profile summary wording as well and I think that affected it as well. I might go back to my old profile summary that seemed to get better results. The thing is that I get women who look at my profile without me even messaging them. So obviously initially when they see my face it gets their interest level because I use good, clear photos and have a near perfect smile.

They saw you inside a giant bear and holding a little child on your lap.

 

[biggoal]

They saw you inside a giant bear and holding a little child on your lap.

I didn't use that on OLD though and I wasn't holding a child with that bear.

Funny I posted this thread and then just noticed on OKCupid an HB7 Asian replied to my message from last night lol.

 

[RickTheToad]

I didn't use that on OLD though and I wasn't holding a child with that bear.

Funny I posted this thread and then just noticed on OKCupid an HB7 Asian replied to my message from last night lol.

I (we) want to see what you classify as a Hot Babe 7, 8, 9, 10. I have a tough time seeing you get those ladies right now. Not saying you cannot, with work, it can be done. But IDK... I find it hard to believe you're seeing these ladies IRL. You come off a bit off-kilter and needy. You blow up their phone's or apps like there's no tomorrow.

 

[biggoal]

I (we) want to see what you classify as a Hot Babe 7, 8, 9, 10. I have a tough time seeing you get those ladies right now. Not saying you cannot, with work, it can be done. But IDK... I find it hard to believe you're seeing these ladies IRL. You come off a bit off-kilter and needy. You blow up their phone's or apps like there's no tomorrow.

I don't want to post pics of OLD girls on here. Just wrong and an invasion of privacy. These were late 30s girls but no kids. Like Gisiele is an HB9 for example. Okay, she's 40 but kidding aside if you guys met her and she was not married to Tom Brady you'd all be tripping on your D8cks to get in her pants.

 

[biggoal]

Dude OLD sucks

If you're in a major city it's probably not as bad because my home town of St. Louis I put in my old zipcode and all kinds of pre wall women within 10 miles and a lot hotter than down here too.

But overall OLD has probably gone down here.

And bigtoad here is one of my OLD dates but I didn't get a second date from.

https://i.ibb.co/Z6srbNq/24e9a30b-6efe-e711-80df-1402ec94d03d.jpg

 

[biggoal]

Yea but at some point you have to stop victimizing yourself.
Feminism relies on people playing victim roles.
Big stop making excuses.

But just proving I can get dates with hb8 plus hence I posted a pic of her.

 

[RickTheToad]

If you're in a major city it's probably not as bad because my home town of St. Louis I put in my old zipcode and all kinds of pre wall women within 10 miles and a lot hotter than down here too.

But overall OLD has probably gone down here.

And bigtoad here is one of my OLD dates but I didn't get a second date from.

https://i.ibb.co/Z6srbNq/24e9a30b-6efe-e711-80df-1402ec94d03d.jpg

Cute b itch. How'd you f uck it up?

 

[biggoal]

Cute b itch. How'd you f uck it up?

Dunno. Just didnt click. She looks like Gisele btw in person. Didnt talk much after even though I spent 50 bucks. It was one of those 59 dollar meal dates I used to post about where I'd get no second date.

The other high end hb date i had last summer was hotter though and I posted her pic before. She was hb9. The one where the date was going great until I told her about the business I owned and it went south fast when she got disappointed I wasn't big money. I'll post her pic later.

 

[RickTheToad]

Dunno. Just didnt click. She looks like Gisele btw in person. Didnt talk much after even though I spent 50 bucks. It was one of those 59 dollar meal dates I used to post about where I'd get no second date.

The other high end hb date i had last summer was hotter though and I posted her pic before. She was hb9. The one where the date was going great until I told her about the business I owned and it went south fast when she got disappointed I wasn't big money. I'll post her pic later.

Dude. Why are you at So Suave? Why don't you listen? You DO NOT FEED THEM UNTIL YOU F UCK THEM!

 

[nicksaiz65]

Dude. Why are you at So Suave? Why don't you listen? You DO NOT FEED THEM UNTIL YOU F UCK THEM!

Crazy story I heard... there was this dude who took a girl that he hadn't fvcked yet on an expensive concert trip. They stayed in the same hotel room together so he was sure he would get laid.

But any attempt the dude made to escalate was instantly shut down. And later, he found out the girl was telling people "Ew, I'd never fvck him in a million years." She just wouldn't let him escalate.

So basically dude got played hard. Used for his money, concert tickets, and attention.

I feel like not buying women meals before you fvck is along the same line as this story I heard.

 

[RickTheToad]

Crazy story I heard... there was this dude who took a girl that he hadn't fvcked yet on an expensive concert trip. They stayed in the same hotel room together so he was sure he would get laid.

But any attempt the dude made to escalate was instantly shut down. And later, he found out the girl was telling people "Ew, I'd never fvck him in a million years." She just wouldn't let him escalate.

So basically dude got played hard. Used for his money, concert tickets, and attention.

I feel like not buying women meals before you fvck is along the same line as this story I heard.

Goes back to the rules... Don't spend any dough on them until you f uck them. You can buy them a drink or share and app, but that is it. He was prob. trying to impress her with his $$$ because he had no or little game. Game only comes naturally through dozens or hundreds of times in failing. We, as dudes, learn from experience.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Goes back to the rules... Don't spend any dough on them until you f uck them. You can buy them a drink or share and app, but that is it. He was prob. trying to impress her with his $$$ because he had no or little game. Game only comes naturally through dozens or hundreds of times in failing. We, as dudes, learn from experience.

Man. What Pook said about learning from failure is 100% true.

"A single failure will help you more than reading the DJ Bible ten times."

 

[Bible_Belt]

You need to delete your profile, and then later reregister with a new email, pics, and different user name. The ai that the sites use will give a preference to new profiles in regard to what they suggest to users.

 

[zekko]

So I'd say the last 4 months my reply rates on OLD have gone down a lot!

Maybe it's because you started hanging around on SoSuave, so now you're putting out an "overthinking it" vibe.

 

[Black Widow Void]

@biggoal

I personally think that you could get ahead of the game of many on this form... if not for one thing.

If you've kept all those e-mails you've sent to women on OLD, I'd suggest that you look over them.
Look for patterns.
Look for key moments when they seemed interested and then equally look for moments when they became disinterested.
Look back on your approach and how you responded to their e-mails.
Don't repeat things that didn't provide a positive result.
...and work on your craft toward the things you said that reaped positive responses.

You are obviously educated and articulate. From my own personal experiences, I know *personally* that this goes a long way with women. You have some areas that need polishing and chiseling. Continue to work on these and like I said above, you'll do much better.

 

[biggoal]

You need to delete your profile, and then later reregister with a new email, pics, and different user name. The ai that the sites use will give a preference to new profiles in regard to what they suggest to users.

So true. I noticed that with tinder. And a lot of users here delete their profiles and make new tinder profiles all the time to get bumped to the top. Cheaper than paying for boost and that.

 

[biggoal]

@biggoal

I personally think that you could get ahead of the game of many on this form... if not for one thing.

If you've kept all those e-mails you've sent to women on OLD, I'd suggest that you look over them.
Look for patterns.
Look for key moments when they seemed interested and then equally look for moments when they became disinterested.
Look back on your approach and how you responded to their e-mails.
Don't repeat things that didn't provide a positive result.
...and work on your craft toward the things you said that reaped positive responses.

You are obviously educated and articulate. From my own personal experiences, I know *personally* that this goes a long way with women. You have some areas that need polishing and chiseling. Continue to work on these and like I said above, you'll do much better.

Well the last few months I haven't sent as many messages out and also I've been sending half arsed ones. Like when my reply rates were better I was sending long messages out that pointed things in their profiles out and were well thought messages and they seemed to like that.

Then I tried the keep it short approach like people say to use and my reply rates go way down.

 

[RickTheToad]

I know *personally* that this goes a long way with women. You have some areas that need polishing and chiseling. Continue to work on these and like I said above, you'll do much better.

Dude, it doesn't on OLD. It's either a dude is f uckable or he isn't. Looks are always paramount. Don't give him false hope.. That's just wrong.

 

[Black Widow Void]

Dude, it doesn't on OLD. It's either a dude is f uckable or he isn't. Looks are always paramount. Don't give him false hope.. That's just wrong.

Maybe it's demographics. Even back when I used OLD, I still pulled women in on my ability to communicate. We're not talking 10's or anything, but a "7" or "8" with no children and a college education is acceptable to my standards.