Why do you want a "relationship/gf?"

[corrector]

I think these are internal things you have to work through in your head, and that is why it's not a bad idea to seek assistance with a therapist.

I already did that in February 2015 because of the severity of the symptoms and with the hopes of feeling comfortable to see hookers. However, if there is no escorts, then there is no problem, then there is no need to see a therapist. If you are against casual sex because of antibiotic resistant STDs, then why would on earth would you dare advise me to see a therapist to enable me to see hookers? Isn't being hooker-phobic a good thing? It might save me, a good guy, that's not messing around, living very clean and health conscious, from a nasty but tangible STD.

The real issue is why even bother pursuing an issue like this with me? Psychology just enables using legal drugs to disable the conscience (i.e. at least in these types of matters) so you can proceed unimpeded. If you go further, drugs probably do the same thing too. That's why most people do things things that are risky under influence rather then being straight sober. I don't see the point in paying money to see a therapist to make me feel comfortable paying and visiting hookers. I'm also not interested in making myself out to be an experiment subject to monitor my brain activity before and after seeing an escort either as I think that's way too much.

As for a hooker, fly down to Nevada for a weekend. You can go to the bunny ranch, or dozens of other legal brothels for sex. Or, just go to a stripclub and they offer sexual services usually in the back.

In the time-capsule, lets hypothetically say today is December 5, 2014 earlier in the day sometime.....paying $ 60.00 to see a local hor that speaks Spanish (i.e which is a major turn-on because it means she's authentically Spanish and came from a Latin American country, another major turn-on) sound easier and more convenient to do, prior to midnight on December 6, 2014 then saying I can leave the country and forget about all this legal nonsense here.

I lied to my mother. I told her I was going to see the IMAX movie "Interstellar (2014)" and had to run an errand and buy something at Canadian Tire. While I was in the parking lot I used my smartphone and had a journal and pen, and found myself at an escort place.
I can lie to my folks and say I'm going to the supermarket and just happen to go into an incal center to cop-a-feel with a random women for 15-20 min (believe me the time stand still in such places so it feels like an hour goes by within 15 min), and them come back home.

Either way there is no money allocated for such a trip. A trip was contemplated to Blackbeard resort in the Domenican Republic back in 2011, but it was aborted. It feels safer to pay $ 60.00 to a Spanish hooker locally then to go to an actual Spanish country to use a local hooker there. You mentioned Navada. What about Latin American countries if you are into Spanish women?

As for the divorce thing?

I didn't sign up for that.

Well, your first problem was marrying a single mom.

No, the problem was she turned on me. Whatever happened to me is still, on principle, the same thing that happens with all divorces. People change within the marriage and things get ugly.

The second, I think you have some things in your head to work through. Time heals all wounds, but you must give yourself the time and the tools to heal. You will never be scar free, but you can rebound from the hurt and doubt you are currently experiencing.

5 years have passed since 2014 and I'm not really feeling much of a connection to 2014. There is more of a connection, at times, to 2012 with the ex-gf I dealt with before I met my ex-wife. Seems there is simply more great memories with her but she's long gone too.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Just as the thread states. What are the perks? What can you get with a "GF/Relationship" that you cant get from a rotation?

The following things come from a rotation:

*Regular sex
*Companionship
*Attention
*Fun dates
*More regular sex
*Multiple plates/rotation/options strengthens your value in other women's eyes (abundance mindset)
*Easy to maintain a solid frame due to not being around a woman 24/7
*You can replace one of your plates if she acts disrespectful, withholds sex as a quid quo pro and find another candidate to fill in the open seat in the rotation
*Women will be very submissive both mentally and sexually
*If one of my plates leaves the rotation I have already been screening for the replacement and that is that. No worries

With a rotation I have never experienced the following and CARED because I have more than one option. But the chance of them coming up in a singular relationship and effecting you are extremely high:
*Routine arguing
*Sex turns in to a ransom note
*Relationship gets stale, boring, mundane schedule
*Woman turns into the victim when she doesnt get her way
*She will get mad at you if you get attention from other women
*She will put less emphasis on her looks
*She will eventually lower your value, thus the exact reason she monkey branches and leaves you when the next best option comes around and gives her attention
*Scarcity mindset on losing her once she has broken down your frame
*Once she has left you will have to deal with the emotions of the break up and it will literally take you weeks/months/even years to get back on your feet
*Impacts of the breakup will leave you chasing, negotiating and being a total mess which will take your already broken frame and burn it to embers.

So for you guys that are "seeking" a relationship, what exactly do you see as the benefit? I have been back in the game for 6 years. 3 of those years were in fact in a singular relationship. I went through some of that stuff above. My last 3 years have been total rotations. I can tell you that for me anyway, it is not even a comparison in terms of how a rotation benefits ME.

I would love to hear someone on the other side of the fence tell me what they can get from a LTR that they cant get from a rotation.

Happy hunting

I don't. I see NO VALUE what so ever. Furthermore, once I have Unplugged, there's no going backwards.

Women are skiing down cawk mountain, are running up trillions in student debt, having bastard children out if wedlock, and its when the milk goes bad that she wants to plsy house. Only a cuck will bite.


After a decade +/-oF pickup, I see female nature for what it is. Not how I wish it were. I see the hen house coalition in corporate life and how they narrate their loathing of their hubby, children and life. The narrative reads, "IM A WOMAN & & & & I'M A VICTIM!"

I AM CHASING EXCELLENCE. I am pursuing my dream. I am on my purpose. I will take my D out. I will smash and i will walk. For the cucks beating their chest and parading red pill, they still married post CC chick. She has absurd kill count and gets the white picket fence. Its a deviation of cuck.


One of my mates is married. He's red pill but alpha and just always got girls. I think his wife is the best option for a man seeking a woman. I still watched her solipsism and him calling her out on it.


Its never perfect Nor is my game or am i. My path is my own and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone else but mysel. To each tgeir own.


A word to the wise: if divorce rate is over half and 80% initiated by women, only retards continue to do so. Its arrogance to say that you are above the following. I think Cobra Tate is a relic of a time where men were still men. He never learned game. He is a outlier in a way RooshV, Rollo, and the majority are not. They still learned that game and played their cards in whatever way they chose to play.

That's it fellas. Play your hand. The writing is on the wall. Female nature is. Hypergamy doesn't care nor does female nature. You are a cog in wheel. You serve as a function to the system and when you are incapable to produce, the women bail, and the system will bleed you dry.

The only way to win the game is not play house rules. I wont marry. I wont dare live common law. Not in the mood means next. Hotter girls are turning 18 everyday. Come @me bro!

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Basic rational inductive reasoning woukd argue against. 50% + divorce rate. 80% initiated by women. And women seek to play house after best yrs are done.

This sounds like a keeper. Meanwhile.. Hottest girls are turning 18 everyday and until the end of time.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

He is very well off. He divorced her, used everything against her in order to basically throw her out on the street with what she came into the marriage with......about nothing.

Oh- he is a rotation guy now too.

These are just few and far often not the case. And cucks continue to line up.

 

[Serenity]

I've been in a relationship for years, none of the bad points you've mentioned has occurred. It certainly could, but this relationship wouldn't have lasted years if it did. You can still walk away from a relationship, usually a bit more of a hassle, but there's no such thing as "one option" ever. Not sure what there is to do with the poor guys who lacks the mental fortitude to get over a breakup though. In past relationships that failed it took me a few days to process it, no big deal.

What I get out of it is a deeper connection, more resources and the possibility of passing on my genes. I want to pass on my genes and I'd prefer them to grow up in a good, stable family environment. You can technically get kids with the way you're doing it, but it's WAAAAY riskier and way more expensive.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I've been in a relationship for years, none of the bad points you've mentioned has occurred. It certainly could, but this relationship wouldn't have lasted years if it did. You can still walk away from a relationship, usually a bit more of a hassle, but there's no such thing as "one option" ever. Not sure what there is to do with the poor guys who lacks the mental fortitude to get over a breakup though. In past relationships that failed it took me a few days to process it, no big deal.

What I get out of it is a deeper connection, more resources and the possibility of passing on my genes. I want to pass on my genes and I'd prefer them to grow up in a good, stable family environment. You can technically get kids with the way you're doing it, but it's WAAAAY riskier and way more expensive.

This is called flawed logic. It didn't implode so it can't is your theory?

Women implode married life for no reason outside sociopathy.

One of the biggest male delusions is the ego to think they are above the game. That hypergamy is below them. The laws of the universe don't apply until divorce raped and they take a toaster oven into the bath tub.

I don't wish that fate on you or anybody else for that matter.


Backwards rationalise the desire to have a family or kids in the nuclear family? Is her father still married to her mother? Is she putting on weight now? Careerist?

You can do everything in your power and still eat ****. Its not a game i will. Play in the uk. Its chasing excellence, stack paper, and end up in a country where divorce rape doesn't exist. I wont allow tge state to take my kids. I wouldn't let a woman divorce rape. I'd go cobra tate and i'd burn it all before that. The state would have to shoot me dead. It won't end well for me lol


But men today have no spine. They woukd cowardly let a woman divorce rape and the state to kidnap their children. I'd go ****ing Rambo on the world before that.


Until the following changes, i wont play the game on house rules.

 

[Epic Days]

Women implode married life for no reason outside sociopathy.

I find that they implode relationships because they are no longer feeling desire. The longer this goes on, the worse they get. Those “desire” chemicals are pretty powerful. But of course they are not sustainable. Thus we have a court system that helps them get the chemicals they need. Divorce and no penalty cheating.

They are incredibly simplistic. I actually prefer them this way. It’s right up front and betrayal can be expected. Conditions and/or environments changes? Expect it.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I find that they implode relationships because they are no longer feeling desire. The longer this goes on, the worse they get. Those “desire” chemicals are pretty powerful. But of course they are not sustainable. This we have a court system that helps them get the chemicals they need.

They are incredibly simplistic.

Again, its female logic. It is sociopathy.


I like Cappy. Aaron clarey. Women make career more important than the kids. I hear over the years how women talk about men hubby, kids, etc.

I cannot be bothered to participate in the old contract.

Tate went off on a tangent about why we pay traffic tickets. It ends up in violence. If a woman runs off with a man's kid, he should do everything to avoid and protect.

If a woman attempts to divorce rape go cobra tate and burn everything. **** you divorce rape and alimony. No dice. No go.

I run a tight ship. No wife. No single mom. No cohabitation. Not in the mood means next. ****ty attitude means she out stayed her welcome.

 

[Julian]

I like STDs because they can be measured, you can define it.

are we just gonna ignore that corrector likes STD's?



anyway. to me LTR is best. If you can find and connect with someone on a deep level. Thats just a great and awesome feeling to have. To me, short term rotations are just too much work, time and energy. I dont even like texting with more then 1 girl at a time. IDK i just cant be bothered having the same BS convos with 6 different chicks trying to balance and get them all to smash and keep up that lifestyle.

plus these short term hoes got short term dudes they are smashing so ur sharing with alot of people. at least with a LTR u for the most part have her be more faithful to u then the 3 chicks ur smashing that are on straight up hoe mode. IDK its a tough decision gentlemen.

 

[RickTheToad]

are we just gonna ignore that corrector likes STD's?



anyway. to me LTR is best. If you can find and connect with someone on a deep level. Thats just a great and awesome feeling to have. To me, short term rotations are just too much work, time and energy. I dont even like texting with more then 1 girl at a time. IDK i just cant be bothered having the same BS convos with 6 different chicks trying to balance and get them all to smash and keep up that lifestyle.

plus these short term hoes got short term dudes they are smashing so ur sharing with alot of people. at least with a LTR u for the most part have her be more faithful to u then the 3 chicks ur smashing that are on straight up hoe mode. IDK its a tough decision gentlemen.

Don't think he likes them, per se', but I think he's more concerned about the religious and personal effects paying for p ussy has or may have on his mind/soul. In a way, we all pay for access to the p. Whether it be drinks, food, entertainment, etc. Yes, it's not direct, but it's implied.

 

[Serenity]

It didn't implode so it can't is your theory?

I did not say or mean that, read it again, carefully!

Women implode married life for no reason outside sociopathy.

Incorrect. The men who think so are blind to their own flaws or the red flags visible from day 1, in lack of an explanation they blame women for being sociopaths. Might as well say you're clueless.

One of the biggest male delusions is the ego to think they are above the game.

Nah, the biggest delusion is thinking it's all a game in the first place. It's not a fvcking game, these decisions are extremely important and can have long lasting consequences if the wrong choices are made. You fear these consequences and have decided to just quit, I seek to conquer the challenges.

But men today have no spine. They woukd cowardly let a woman divorce rape and the state to kidnap their children.

This point I actually agree on. Men also need to get wiser, it's a bunch of headless and spineless chickens now.

Your view is not sustainable to humanity in the grand scheme though. We can survive with a few outcasts like yourself, as long as enough of us care about the future of mankind.

You wouldn't exist if your father followed the same line of thought...

 

[RickTheToad]

I already did that in February 2015 because of the severity of the symptoms and with the hopes of feeling comfortable to see hookers. However, if there is no escorts, then there is no problem, then there is no need to see a therapist. If you are against casual sex because of antibiotic resistant STDs, then why would on earth would you dare advise me to see a therapist to enable me to see hookers? Isn't being hooker-phobic a good thing? It might save me, a good guy, that's not messing around, living very clean and health conscious, from a nasty but tangible STD.

The real issue is why even bother pursuing an issue like this with me? Psychology just enables using legal drugs to disable the conscience (i.e. at least in these types of matters) so you can proceed unimpeded. If you go further, drugs probably do the same thing too. That's why most people do things things that are risky under influence rather then being straight sober. I don't see the point in paying money to see a therapist to make me feel comfortable paying and visiting hookers. I'm also not interested in making myself out to be an experiment subject to monitor my brain activity before and after seeing an escort either as I think that's way too much.



In the time-capsule, lets hypothetically say today is December 5, 2014 earlier in the day sometime.....paying $ 60.00 to see a local hor that speaks Spanish (i.e which is a major turn-on because it means she's authentically Spanish and came from a Latin American country, another major turn-on) sound easier and more convenient to do, prior to midnight on December 6, 2014 then saying I can leave the country and forget about all this legal nonsense here.

I lied to my mother. I told her I was going to see the IMAX movie "Interstellar (2014)" and had to run an errand and buy something at Canadian Tire. While I was in the parking lot I used my smartphone and had a journal and pen, and found myself at an escort place.
I can lie to my folks and say I'm going to the supermarket and just happen to go into an incal center to cop-a-feel with a random women for 15-20 min (believe me the time stand still in such places so it feels like an hour goes by within 15 min), and them come back home.

Either way there is no money allocated for such a trip. A trip was contemplated to Blackbeard resort in the Domenican Republic back in 2011, but it was aborted. It feels safer to pay $ 60.00 to a Spanish hooker locally then to go to an actual Spanish country to use a local hooker there. You mentioned Navada. What about Latin American countries if you are into Spanish women?



I didn't sign up for that.



No, the problem was she turned on me. Whatever happened to me is still, on principle, the same thing that happens with all divorces. People change within the marriage and things get ugly.



5 years have passed since 2014 and I'm not really feeling much of a connection to 2014. There is more of a connection, at times, to 2012 with the ex-gf I dealt with before I met my ex-wife. Seems there is simply more great memories with her but she's long gone too.

I can only give my .02 cents on the medical aspects and risks in engaging in casual or paid for sex. What I would do and what you or someone else would do is a personal decision. I am close to numb on feelings towards ladies. However, I do not need to be saddled with an STD for a couple hours of fun. That's not my cup of joe/tea. But hey, if that is how someone else wants to get their rocks off, no judgment from me.

Seeing a therapist just to talk things out in your mind, not just hookers or going on meds. It obvious you have some things to work through in your head. Some people need to speak to a neutral party to help see the forest through the trees. Not a judgement, but a few sessions might do you wonders. You also seem to have a strong connection with your mother. That could be an issue for you moving forward. A son shouldn't be discussing their sexual or potential sexual encounters with their mothers. Possibly with your siblings or father, but not with your mom. I can see how that would be a strange conversation.

I've never been to a latin America country, so I cannot answer that. Maybe @cola could chime in on the latina's from S. America? Marriage does change things, so it's best to be avoided. If a person truly "loves" the other person, a piece of paper from the State shouldn't make or break a relationship. Some dudes are just too weak to avoid it and cave in. I've walked and ladies I've dated walked from me because I refused marriage suggestions and proposals. I always advise the same to anyone who asks; dudes are ladies. In the end, the only parties who win are the State and the lawyers. If the dude has a really bad legal rep., he will get shafted as well. A friend of mine just got divorced, 75% in the wife's favor of assets.

 

[Blacksheep]

If you are rotating 4 ladies and they are rotating their own line of dudes, there is a high predicability of catching something. When I dated a few at a time, all was great until I received my first STD. I'm out. If you like to play Russian roulette, go for it. I subscribe to the Donovan Sharpe theory on how to keep your lady in line and knowing what's up 24/7. Check it out sometime.



Never said marriage, I just said relationships. I'd never get married. Too much to lose. Things on the west coast may be different than the east coast, but yes, cheating is prevalent on both sides. A dude needs to be high SMV and keep their b itch in line or toss them the first sight of issues. My point is 100% valid, you choose to see it through the way you want, which, again is fine. There are risks either way, however, the life you live is much more dangerous health wise than the relationship route. This, of course, assumes the lady is worth the relationship route. Most are not, and most will fail. However, it's still better than risking getting an incurable STD or a highly antibiotic resistant STD. Dude, I see it all the time.. It's my day job.

Math doesn't lie. If you are f ucking four ladies, and they are f ucking two or three dudes, those dudes are also f ucking other ladies, etc. You are bound to catch something. Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, and Syphilis are now on the last level of antibiotics. After they get resistant to these, people, in general are f ucked; and not in a good way. New antibiotics are at least 4 years out, even with an FDA fast track. If a person is not cured, they are under State quarantine and are basically a prisoner. Happened last year here in the US and in the UK. If you think f vcking all these ladies are worth that risk, knock yourself out. It's not, and you need to get your head examined if you think it is. This is not the 1960's - early 2000's, and you are not Wilt Chamberlain. Aside from Herpes and HPV, Syphilis and Molluscum contagiosum are able to be transferred from skin to skin contact. That means, even if you are receiving oral sex with a condom and using a condom with vaginal and anal sex, you can still catch one of the four above anywhere else on your body.

Dude, I went to school on this stuff and wrote a paper on it. You have no idea what you are talking about; medically speaking.

This is why I'm saving money for a sex doll... There are some new out there very realist.

Both LTR or being single is the same amount of danger man. And you're completely right about STD's... I had some infections and took antibiotics, and those things literally interact not only with your physiology but with your mental health. When I took antibiotics my mind just got really weird, and I found some researched that link antibiotics with some mental disorders. So you have the STD consequences and also the medications side effects.

We're getting on a stage that LTR is not a solution to prevent STD anymore... There was a girl I used to ****, she started date a guy that works on my company (LTR), she just added me on facebook those days... I'm sure she want to contact me to **** her again (I just blocked her). Looked at her stories on instagram, a lot of pictures of her and his boyfriend around her "male friends". I feel sorry for him... so innocent. And also, a lot of guy I know had ****ed her... and it's a lottttt of guys in my town.

I can only imagine ONE great solution for this: improve investments on AI... create some AI realistic dolls (already exist some prototypes). And a scientist should find a way to link VR with human senses. Idk if you watched star trek, they should try to create something like holodeck.

Or even, find a way or technology to help induce lucid dreams... so you can imagine and create everything you want.

It's crazy? No... based on our reality, this is the best thing to please our sexual desire on a healthy way (STD's). And it should be done really quickly, before people start killing themselves.

If my actual projects gave me money, my next step will be go deep into AI and invest on those things (graduated on science computing). This is the best future investment someone could make.

And this is the best quality of humans... the ability to create crazy and awesome stuffs.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Sex only turns into a ransom note if you aren't good enough

 

[corrector]

Don't think he likes them, per se', but I think he's more concerned about the religious and personal effects paying for p ussy has or may have on his mind/soul. In a way, we all pay for access to the p. Whether it be drinks, food, entertainment, etc. Yes, it's not direct, but it's implied.

Of course not, its meant as a contrast. A lion attacking you is dangerous, but you can see a lion and you know what is a lion. An invisible monster attacking you, like from "The Stranger Things" is more dangerous than a lion because you can't really define it and it's from another dimension. I like the lion because you can see it coming and defend yourself. You can't see something that's invisible that can attack you.

I 100% don't buy the issue is paying for psvvy, but a soul-tie with the lady's past. That is you inherit a woman's past by being intimate with her, which includes every client she's slept with, every boyfriend or women she's slept with, and any family member that molested her and your soul is put into a blender. The issue with hookers is they have an INDUSTRIAL-LEVEL volume of guys vs a civvie lady. How you set-up a meeting with a woman is irrelevant to me, however, what you catch from the woman after the fact is more of what all this is about. If anything, for the sake of argument, a similar reaction may have occurred with a "non-paid" woman if the same dynamics are in play (i.e. she dealt with other guys intimately before me and those guys dealt with other women who dealt with her,etc... she was molested by someone as a kid which is why she's is sleeping with lots of guys, etc....) To say that whether you pay or don't pay for dealing with a woman like that makes a difference I think is silly.

 

[corrector]

IYou also seem to have a strong connection with your mother. That could be an issue for you moving forward. A son shouldn't be discussing their sexual or potential sexual encounters with their mothers. Possibly with your siblings or father, but not with your mom. I can see how that would be a strange conversation.

My mother was helpful in removing the demons. This was beyond my dad's ability to do anything, all he can do is send me to the hospital. It's through the determination of my prayer warrior mother than I came though this, without seeing any doctors, without taking any meds.

When people are in real trouble, that's when they seek out someone who is close to Jesus. They know other people won't get it.

 

[2Rocky]

"grass is greener on the other side of the fence" You can keep jumping fences but they get higher and higher

Or you can water your own grass. Just gotta look for good soil and don't over fertilize it with your bull****.

Hey when I got divorced i had a few ONS's and many of them were SNL's. I figured out I was capable of getting my needs met physically even as a wounded guy just out of a relationship. When I found someone who had the disposition I truly enjoyed and the sex drive and skill I cherished, I decided I was gonna water that grass.

 

[Speculator E]

So explain how this is done whereby her desire doesn’t wain and she, being an emotional creature, doesn’t become unhappy and resentful. Be careful what you write, there is a lot of unassailable science in that.

I don't have an answer. The problem isn't women but society on a large scale.
In a healthy environment, if society was a healthy place women would be healthy.
But today, it's becoming more and more like a wasteland. No one has the answer how to survive this.
Pray Jesus will return soon.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

You wouldn't exist if your father followed the same line of thought...

If your father's condom didn't break and he didn't drink that rat piss 26er, you wouldn't be here. The ****s your point?

You're cucked.

You will be the first guy in the bath tub eith the toaster oven cause your cherish jumped off someone else's ****.

I will bump this when lololol

You mad?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I don't have an answer. The problem isn't women but society on a large scale.
In a healthy environment, if society was a healthy place women would be healthy.
But today, it's becoming more and more like a wasteland. No one has the answer how to survive this.
Pray Jesus will return soon.

All this says is that, women are children and should be treated as such. They vote for free ****, larger government, and are incapable of freely thinking nor taking responsibility.

Responsibility is a requirement as an adult. The welfare state is the single mom state. Its thr government shrugging off the incompetence of women onto man. Sperm jacking notwithstanding. 1 broken condom and a dude is in ruins if she unleashes the dogs of the state.

I agree with you on the wasteland. Again, there's a top down parade of free resources by the state or extracted from males via divorce or child support. Women double down. Calling up ****ery is met with screams of misogyny or beta cucks white knighting. Neither of which is an argument.


Feminism has did a von job on women mistaking being a booty call as empowering. God only knows her teens and 20s grow back lol.

The solution isn't to plsy the old social contract. Anyway in which a man does is setting off cuck. The writing is on the wall. I have no sympathy for idiocy.

Tim Cast put up a vid. Married men are less happy and having far less sex after playing house. Women seek security via government and or marriage once incapable of competing.


The metric by which one acts should consider ROI. What value does monogamy LTR or marriage bring to men in any first world country? Any game, looks, monry, socisl status etc and he can get laid.